Talk:Celine Dion

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Overrated and is it really useful for the progress(promotion) of the humanity? GH, 30 July 2006

Il più piccolo cervello della storia! LL, 31 July 2006

Where's the archive discussion?

Where did the discussion go? Where's the archive? Mtl2la 05:31, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

CELIND DION HITS AND F#6 in "Sorry for Love"

Here is the archive. Peter O. (Talk) 19:27, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Tours and The Las Vegas Show

If anybody would be up to it and could find the information I think we should have Tour pages for Celine Dion especially the Las Vegas Show and her 1996-1997 Falling Into You tour and 1998-1999 Let's Talk About Love Tour.

My Heart Will Go On: Canadian position

The single topped the Canadian airplay chart for fifteen weeks. I don't recall the single even entering the Canadian Singles Chart. It peaked at number fourteen? If it was released as an import, I would understand, but imports do not count toward a single's official position on the Canadian Singles Chart. If it was indeed released as an import — to simply raise the sales of the two albums that were popular at the time — number fourteen would have been a remarkable peak for an import; however, these are not counted toward. Velten 19:05, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

All talk and no sources from any of you. And "Velten," believe me, if you turn this into a battle ground like all the others you'll regret it. Orane (talk • cont.) 23:05, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Please don't threathen me — I'm just trying to clarify for those users who did not know this. I have no online sources because the Canadian Singles Chart is not very popular today, but this should be fixed by next year (from what I've heard). There are many past print sources from the Toronto Star, Toronto Sun and various other newspapers. Because some of these articles are archived online, perhaps they could be retrieved and read? Velten 00:10, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Per Journalist's wishes, I won't start "battlegrounds" here and therefore not edit this article anymore. Velten 00:15, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Singles

Someone changed the singles to 11 # 1s in United States this is not correct. She has had 4 #1 Singles in United States, someone has to put the informtion how it was before.

Celine Dion Singles chart in Canada

I love Celine and I wish she was #1 all over the world. However, the table is using Canadian SoundScan Singles SALES chart, not airplay chart. "My Heart Will Go On" was #1 on BDS Airplay chart but didn't reach the top on Sales chart. Here's how it was: There were 2 IMPORT versions of the single released in Canada. First version peaked at #33 on February 22, 1998. Second - the remixes version peaked at #14 on May 03, 1998 (13 weeks on chart). Here is the link to the source: http://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=17305&highlight=canada

Max24 11:38, 04 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry Max24, but you cannot use a forum to which you contribute as a source for your argument. Do you have any other links? Orane (talk • cont.) 19:30, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

OK, so here http://chartts.tripod.com/CA/CACHS.HTM you can check Top10 Singles chart form January 1998. There's no "My Heart Will Go On".....Max24 13:08, 05 November 2006 (UTC)

Celine Dion as a Songwriter?

I think it is both inaccurate and misleading to label Celine as an 'occasional songwriter', since she rarely writes her material (maybe less than two songs are co-written by her). And to put this in the introduction gives a yet more distorted image. Celine Dion is not an occasional songwriter. She only co-wrote two songs out of hundreds she has recorded...

Nov 9/06: I agree that this statement should be removed. I wasn't even aware that she co-wrote two songs, what were they?

-Madeleine

The songs co-recorder by Celine: "Ce n'était qu'un rêve", "Threat like a lady" , "Tout prêt du bonheur" The songs co-recorder by Celine: "Ce n'était qu'un rêve", "Threat like a lady" , "Tout prêt du bonheur"

She also co-wrote at least one song on the "These Are Special Times" album. I think the occasional songwriter description is valid.

Celine Dion tours

(Please ammend: Céline's first Tour was in 1984 promoting her album Les Chemins de ma Maison in Quebec. Her second Tour was indeed in 1985 but was not called Mélanie Tour as it promoted her album C'Est Pour Toi (1985) Thank you very much for your attention) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.154.1.17 (talk • contribs) 17:42, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I would like to make something clear. The series of concerts Céline gave in 1985 could only have served for the imminent release of her album C'est pour toi. The one performance that we know well is the one at the Place des arts, which only included one song from the album Mélanie. This performance was later on broadcast on Quebecois television with the name "C'est pour toi concert" and the opening titles already showed the famous "heart" print of Céline's initials that she used for both C'est pour toi and En concert albums. The picture used in this article is taken from that television show, which includes songs such as C'est pour toi, Avec toi and Amoureuse, from the C'est pour toi album.

Céline toured Quebec in 1983-84 promoting Les chemins de ma maison. She reached Rimouski and Chicoutimi, among other sites. Parts of this tour were shown in the TV special "Sur les chemins de ma maison", of 1984, descriptions of one particular performance of this tour are given by Céline in her autobiography "My story, my dream" (where she relates her nervousness as on one particular night, at an out-door concert by a lake, flying insects nearly went into her mouth, impeding her to sing properly).

I'd be very grateful if someone could help me participate properly in this discussion. Thank you very much. Oiseaudubonheur 09:26, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Genre's

Pop, Adult Contemporary, and Soft Rock are good and accurate, but I think that 'Classical' should be removed. Celine is not an opera singer. Sure, some her songs may have a classical instrumentation influence, but you still wouldn't class them as classical songs. Pop songs with a classical flavour or influence, but not classical music.

Conservative nature

It says in the article that Celine Dion is made fun of in TV shows because of here "conservative nature". I've never heard of this, what makes her conservative? There's nothing wrong with being conservative, of course (or progressive for that matter). Porchlight 14:27, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Ive never seen her been ridiculed for being conservative either.

Page name

The discussed page should be moved to Céline Dion, because that is the correct spelling of her name. ► Adriaan90 ( Talk ♥ Contribs ) ♪♫ 19:36, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Opening section

Why is Falling Into You mentioned as some kind of breakthrough single in the English-speaking world? It was "Think Twice" and later "Because You Loved Me" that got her two huge hits, long before "My Heart Will Go On", while the song "Falling Into You" had less success than these. Dollvalley 13:44, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

The opening section refers to the album, not the single from the album. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MplsNarco (talk • contribs) 04:34, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

14? 15?

Just a heads-up to note that this diff shows a brand-new user changing her family size from 14 to 15. Herostratus 03:27, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Album sales

I think for the discography sales they must revise what sales the pages states that Celine Dion has had sales of 200 million, even though in 2004 she was supposed to have sold 175 million. How did she sell in less than 3 years 15 million albums?

The sources are OFFICIAL Sony BMG statements. Max24 10:46, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

But listen they go from 175 million in 2004 to 200 million in 2007. Come on guys does this make sense she sold 3.5 million of Miracle, 1.5 million of ne change pas and MAX of 0.5 million of Elles which by the way is shipped. Max24 I respect that you like Celine Dion but if they said 215 million albums when they release her album in October are you going to believe them.

I would like to see some soundscan facts regading these recent sales figures, anybody has them? Daimengrui 02:33, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Note - you guys should realize that info regarding album sales of artists that are released by recording labels refers to the shipments of that cd and NOT the actual sales. which might explain the huge leap. Regardless, celine is up there67.166.135.157 (talk) 01:33, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Opening sentence

Whether the opening sentence should include awards such has "Grammy winning artist" has been discussed in several other biographies such as Christina Aguilera and Kanye West and consensus was that it's not NPOV to start the opening sentence with "award winning". It's not NPOV to begin the first sentence with an award because it should simply state who or what the subject is. Winning awards is something Celine Dion has done, but it's not who she is. They can of course be included later in the lead, but not in the opening sentence. Spellcast 00:56, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

There seems to be consensus on Wikipedia_talk:Neutral_point_of_view#POV_in_first_sentence.3F that it's inheritely POV to put awards in the first sentence, so if anyone thinks otherwise, they can discuss it there. Spellcast 21:59, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Celine continues to sell 1.5 to 2 million albums a year without new releases. Her christmas album still makes it onto billboard sales chart's every year and was released in 1998... As far as the Madonna debate she sales alot of singles celine sales are "album sales". If you look at the marketing behind Celine youu will see that she was the only artist living that could do A New Day. AEG Live did extensive research before signing the deal, Celine was one of the only internationally known artists with a fan base 18-45 with 60k plus income. Madonna's majority fan base could not afford the ticket prices needed to build the collusium much less the hole "vegas experience" including airfare,hotel,meals,transportation,shopping,entertainment. (not my personal beliefs just the facts)

Um no, Celine isn't selling 1.5 to 2 million albums a year, she's doing around several hundred thousand a year with her back catalogue. Anyway, anyone with a brain - even the biggest Celine fan can figure out she hasn't sold 200 million albums world-wide, probably not even 175 million yet. Looking at sales in individual countries, 150 million seems much more apt. It's all just promotional mumbo-jumbo in the hype machine, and the World Music Awads are a huge sham, they're always putting out questionable sales statistics. I love Celine and of course she's hugely successful, but her album sales & potential status as the world's best selling-female artist are taken way too seriously by many - and her record company perpatuates this nonsense way too much, the same for Mariah Carey - WHO CARES. Anyway, my point for posting here, I think the wikipedia page should be edited to say World's Best Selling Female Pop Artist by WMA's, since Madonna was named best selling female rock artist, it's a matter of courtesy. If we're going to brag about this, those 2 are probably tied anyway.

Album Sales

Im mentioning this again because no-one seems to see what is happening. Look Im a fan of Celine Dion dont get me wrong I think shes awesome but just look. In 2003 The World Music Awards said that Mariah Carey was the biggest selling female artist with 150 million and then next year in 2004 they said that now Celine Dion is with 175 million sales. Where did the 25 million albums come in one year it might have happened in 1996 but not 2004. Now she sold from 2003 to 2007 50 million albums!!! So shes having super fast sales. Im sorry but this is incorrect I mean did they all of find hidden certifications they didnt know where there. Come on this needs to be fixed!!!

WMA has declared that its auditors have determined that Celine Dion is the Current reigning worlds best selling female vocalist. The fact is others may be higher but Celines Sales are certified. Neither Madonna, Whitney, or Mariah have audited certified sales as high as Celine Dion. So maybe they have sold more but the fact is there is nothing to validate that they may or may not have. Which is why Celine Dion is the only artist that can claim to be the worlds best selling female vocalist. By 2000 Celine had sold 150 million albums, 25 million comes from 12 million for A New Day, 6 million for one heart 2.5 million from 1fille and four types, 5 million from miracle, and several other millions from other albums. This is not an error this is not a problem. The fact is that the best information available in the recording world gives the title to Celine Dion. We cant change the facts.

Erm, what do you mean by audited? Madonna has outsold Celine in nearly every country in the world, that's backed by Guiness Book of World Records man.

Oh please, the guiness book of records is just as "reliable" as any of the awards shows. It's all hype as there is no worldwide sales-tracker that can be relied upon like soundscan in the US. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.166.135.157 (talk) 23:19, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Wording of sentence regarding "I'm Your Angel"

I believe the wording should be changed in the sentence about the song "I'm Your Angel." Currently, it states "...her fourth and final number one single in the US..." or something like that. Saying that it is her final number one single is speculation, as she remains an active artist. The language should be changed to "fourth and most recent" or similar. MplsNarco 15:24, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Definitely. - ^Estoy_Aquí^{(t • c • e)} 22:56, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Defacing

I found vandalism on the page. A statement in all caps that said "(deleted)" and attempted to remove it. It was not visible on the editing page but was there when viewed on the main page. I then deleted the empty space where the words occurred and then it disappeared but then the footnotes were all a mess. Not sure what's going on here but someone's toying with the page. October 25th, 2007, 5:00 pm HK time. Maureen

Sounds like someone beat you to reverting it, and your browser was just showing a cache of the vandalised version. And BTW it isn't a good idea to timestamp with something other than UTC (in case you were wondering, that's done with by typing ~~~~~) because it makes it very difficult to compare the time gap between posts. - ^Estoy_Aquí^{(t • c • e)} 22:33, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Family

Doesn't she have a son? I thought motherhood was important to her, why isn't her son mentioned here? 65.92.190.226 (talk) 21:03, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

From here: "A year after the incident, after undergoing fertility treatments, Dion gave birth to a son, René-Charles Dion Angélil, on 25 January 2001 in Florida." Chwech 21:09, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Problem

"On January 5, 2007 it was announced that the show has ended on December 15, 2007". That might need correcting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.157.27.33 (talk) 22:58, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

French work??

Is it me or is this lacking a lot of background on Dion's French work? We have paragraphs about her as a teen, but what about her definitive work with D'eux, S'il Suffisait D'aimer, or Dion Chante Plamondon? This woman's major following (true fans) is French/Canadian, not American. The Canadians also know her for works outside of the Falling Into You album, why aren't they played up more? The article also fails to mention the fact that Celine does some of her songs in more than one language... for instance, there's Sola Otra Vez and All By Myself... or L'amour Existe Encore and Aun Exist Amor. What about Je Sais Pas and I don't know, or Vole and Fly? She also covers some French songs in English. Tomber is released as Ten Days.

While I realize we Americans don't care much for French music, you can't talk about Celine Dion properly without mentioning JJG or Benzi or Plamondon. Please. The fact that the only time JJG is even MENTIONED is because of 1 Fille 4 Types is just disgusting. It's more of an after thought... like "oh yeah btw, she knows them already." JJG is the reason she's famous in France. Plamondon and JJG made her famous. It is their music which gave her voice the opportunity to be anything. We've seen recently with "One Heart" and other albums how important the music is to Celine's voice. It has to work with it, not against it. Pour Que Tu M'aimes Encore is a definitive work of art!! (which is probably why she released it in English)

Give her French work some air time, please!!!!!

<3 Celine!

Retailmonica (talk) 21:50, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

If you are comfortable digging through French sources and summarizing them in English, feel free. It's probably not here because English-speaking editors can't do the work properly, not because they have an objection to seeing it done.Kww (talk) 23:28, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree that info on her French-language music requires expansion. I also would like to see more of her old 1980s Quebec career discussed. Dcoetzee 23:49, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I thought Celine does play a musical instrument

We can see in the recording sessions of "Let's talk about love" Celine playing "Moonlight sonata" on the piano..Triedofloans (talk) 17:08, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

If she's only playing the first movement, that's not much of a feat.--345Kai (talk) 03:47, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

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Article is Completely Biased -- NOT one of Wikipedia's Premier Articles at all

The Celine Dion article is extremely biased to the negative. Since there is no way to edit it (it is locked), I cannot delete the offensive language. Riddled throughout are phrases like "maudlin", "failed to chart", and other infantile negative statements that have nothing to do with facts, but are opinion. The negetative is stressed also in the quotes from critics, giving the article a completely biased take on her career. In addition, as someone else pointed out, one phrase says "her last hit" as if she's not a current artist. All of these need removing and unbiased wording needs to be substituted if Wikipedia is to be taken seriously as an encyclopedia as opposed to some sophomoric blog.

Also, there is NO mention of her big 1998 hit "To Love You More".

Can someone with editing authority fix these biases and add text about the missing song? Thank you!

66.57.188.181 (talk) 23:29, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

In what way do you suggest that we change the "bias" in the article? Do you have sources for the information that you wish to include? Please read the relevant policies on how to edit before attempting to include this information.

By the way, if a song failed to chart, how else can we phrase it? What negative connotations do the word "maudlin" carry? Orane (talk) 05:53, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

" Maudlin derives from the name Mary Magdalene, who was often shown with her eyes swollen from weeping. It implies a lack of self-restraint, particularly in the form of excessive tearfulness." (dictionary quote) --345Kai (talk) 03:46, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Lead photo - obscene caption

Um, since this is in the FA queue, someone might like to sort out the caption on the file page for the lead photo, which refers to "sexy pussies with clitty" 86.143.70.75 (talk) 12:23, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

HI, THE TEXT IS STILL THERE! I would remove it but there's no 'edit' tab. If I didn't make myself clear which pic I was referring to, click on the lead photo on the article (Celine signing God Bless America) and it'll take you to the file page for the photo. The caption for that has the vandalised text referred to above 86.143.70.75 (talk) 17:04, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

A few questions

A few questions

1. Why does the box above say "This article is currently on Wikipedia's Main Page as Today's featured article."
2. Why is User:AuburnPilot unprotecting the article page with the article summary "Unprotected Celine Dion: no longer scheduled to appear on the main page".
3. More later
   

Gene Nygaard (talk) 07:52, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

To answer #1, the article is on the Main Page as today's featured article. Dbiel ^(Talk) 01:02, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

1990 establishing herself as a viable pop artist?

The two section do not seem to agree with each other

"In 1990 she released the anglophone album Unison, establishing herself as a viable pop artist in North America and other English-speaking areas of the world.[5]"

yet in the next paragraph it states:

"ending the decade (1980's) as one of the most successful artists in pop music"

You would think that one would be a viable artist before becoming one of the most successful artists. Dbiel ^(Talk) 01:09, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

classically influenced?

The phrase "classically influenced" appears several times in the article, without explanation as to what this could possible mean. Does "classically influenced" have a specific meaning when applied to popular music? If it means "influenced by classical music", that's almost meaningless, without being more specific. Which composers, for example, is she influenced by?--345Kai (talk) 03:56, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Main Image

I've nominated it for deletion on Commons, it's almost certainly a copyvio. If you have a look at the other images uploaded by the same Flickr contributor on the same day as the Celine one [1] You'll see various copyrighted screenshots and images from websites falsely licensed under Creative Commons tags. Polly (Parrot) 04:21, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Mmm, Image:Céline Dion-AFR.JPG is free, as an alternative. -- lucasbfr ^talk 13:41, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Well it was already established that the main image would be removed as soon as the article was off the main page. It was a temporary upload, since Image:Céline Dion-AFR.JPG was lacking. Orane (talk) 15:49, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Switzerland?

Since she's Canadian, it seems kind of strange that she represented Switzerland in the Eurovision contest. There isn't any explanation as to how that happened in the article as far as I can see -- perhaps it should be added? --Jfruh (talk) 15:32, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

All I could find was a Canadian Press article from 1988-05-03, which notes: "Asked how she got to represent Switzerland in the song contest, Dion noted that only the author of a song has to be from the country that's being represented and that the nationality of the singer didn't matter. Her winning ballad, by Swiss composer Nella Martinelli, was called Ne partez pas sans moi (Don't Leave Without Me)." Should a brief explanation be added? Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 19:18, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't think she would have qualified as a Canadian. It's Euro-vision. That's probably why she represented the songwriter's member country instead. Dionix (talk) 00:04, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

It's anyway not she who one the contest, but the composer of the song.--24.85.68.231 (talk) 07:00, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

The Eurovision Song Contest (created in 1956) is not like the Olympic Games where in order for player X to compete for country C, X must be a citizen of C. Anyone can compete for any country in the Eurovision. Examples : Canadian Céline Dion won for Switzerland ('88), Greek Viky Leandros finished second for Luxembourg ('67), French France Gall won for Luxembourg (65')... the list is endless.

An artist doesn't represent him/herself, but the country sponsoring him/her. Hard to comprehend for individualistic Americans.

FA?

A few days ago when the FA was a pro wrestling show, there were many complaints, but no one has complained about this? Interesting.

I'm complaining about this. What a farce of an article. It's poorly written, looks like it has been edited by a bunch of monkeys who should be deleted from Wikipedia immediately, and has no place in an encyclopedia of any kind. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.189.11.244 (talk) 18:03, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Log in and put it up for FAR then? Buc (talk) 16:14, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Céline Dion?!?!?!?!

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This is a Singer.

Isn't Celine Dion songs forbidden by the geneva Convention as inhuman means of toruture!??!!?!? How can a respetctable publication like wikipedia right about such a unheartedly subject? Is this some kind of sick late April's Fool joke????!?!?!

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Just kidding guys, it is a well written article, deserving the FA star, but come on, Celine Dion!?!?!?! =D I just had to poke fun on you. anyway, gratz on the main page. Samuel Sol (talk) 18:36, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I just noticed, where is the citation for her being a "singer"? Isnt that a matter of opinion, not fact? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.74.54.196 (talk) 19:20, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

"Céline", vs "Dion"

I think it's kind of weird to refer to her as "Dion"... I'm from Québec and no one ever talks of "Dion"; it's either Céline Dion or just Céline. Anyway, I just thought it sounded weird. Anyone feel the same way? Horus (talk) 18:53, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

You normally refer to a third person by their family name when referring to them especially in a formal encyclopedia setting. It would be very amateurish and informal to call someone by their given name unless they are overwhelmingly known by that name. 128.227.113.175 (talk) 19:13, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

That's true. But the bit about "amateurish" is completely ridiculous. You are forgetting that wikipedia is 100% amateur. Editors do not get paid. Professionals in their fields are not allowed to use original research. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.189.11.244 (talk) 20:07, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, in the case of Madonna, she is referred to by her stage name. --Kvasir (talk) 20:34, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Exactly, Wikipedia is the most amateur reference tool around. Madonna should be referred to as "Ritchie" and not her common name, just as Celine as referred to in this article as Dion. This Dion article should never have been featured, it's poorly written and a disgrace to the great articles that have been featured in the past. Shame on you Celine Dion page editors. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.189.11.244 (talk) 20:59, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Her name is supposedly really Linda Unger

Why was that edited out? In Upstate New York, where she is supposedly really from, this rumor is talked about openly. The story goes that her real name is Linda Unger, and at a very young age she was shipped up to Canada to become a musical prodigy, because the style of music she was being groomed for was more appreciated up there than it was in the States. If you follow her history, you'll see that, short of the unconfirmed Linda Under thing, this is more or less, what happened.

You wish... No. She was bred, born, and raised in Québec.

Regardless, my notation of this possible fact in the article was Wikipediacally correct, and it was acknowledged that this was, presently, an unfounded rumor, I see no reason why it should edited out. Perhaps if it's left up there, Linda (aka Celine) herself will comment. Can it please be reinstated? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.114.126.237 (talk) 22:40, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Why the long face, Celine?

Heh.

her dad cried after sex and conceiving —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.250.6.244 (talk) 00:21, 4 April 2008 (UTC) Hilarious.. but seriously, I heard she was born with 2 rows of teeth. Like a shark. Can't find anything about it anywhere but maybe someone else would know a good source to verify this information.

Spam. WinterSpw (talk) 22:54, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Celine Dion biggest influence

Celine Dion biggest influence are Queen and Freddie Mercury!!!

Celine Dion in a BBC interview about Freddie and Queen (November 2007): " Oh yeah. Definitely one of my favourite singer of all time. I could pick a lot of his music. "The Show Must Go On" for me's kind of like a prayer. When I hear that song it really touched me deep. It says so much. No matter what happens in a day, and what happens in your private life, when it's time to show time, you go on and you still give it all, no matter what the price is. And when I heard that song for the first time I shed a few tears actually, to be honest with you. It touched me very deep because it's not always easy. No matter what the job you're doing, the show business is a crazy life. The adrenaline that gets you to perform, it's an amazing world. It's like when go on stage to rush. It's pretty amazing. That song in particular is like a prayer for me and I'm gonna have the privilege of probably of singing that song on the next tour. I just love Queen so much."

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New movie about her

There is a new movie coming about about Céline Dion. I don't know if anyone here would want to add it yet since it's still so new.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ospinad (talk • contribs)

The movie is called, "Celine." It is an unauthorized biographical film of her life and career. The film is is no way connected to her personal or professional career, and thus, shouldn't be added to this article.

Also, the film is poorly executed. The actress who plays Celine, Christine Ghawi, doesn't even speak with a French-Canadian accent in the film. She actually sounds as if she is from New York. None of Celine's original songs that she recorded are used in the film, probably due to the fact that Celine nor Sony took part in the film's production. The sequence of events are all mixed up, and the details are poor. Just my opinion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PatrickDion22 (talk • contribs) 20:43, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Ancestry

Shouldn't there be a section about her ancestry? She is related with many European Royal Houses. Check www.inria.fr, database roglo. I think there's some info on her homepage too. An example: her paternal grandmother was a 16th cousin of Queen Elizabeth II. 213.101.117.243 (talk) 20:33, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

What has her grandmother got to do about Celine Dion? If you feel she's important then create a new article about her. The Celine Dion page is about Celine and her life achievements, not her grandmother, her friends, her pet dog, or whatever. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.189.11.244 (talk) 21:01, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

How about maturing a bit? Celine deserves an article in her own right, but her ancestry is also relevant (albeit cursory) information about her, whether you think so or not. LarRan (talk) 13:17, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

PERFUME -- NEWS

it says that she has X number of perfumes, with one to be released in the spring. Er... shouldn't that have a date on it? Spring 2008? Spring 2007? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.140.140.235 (talk) 06:56, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

RIAA emphasis

Am I the only one who notices the systemic and geographic bias that is creeping into the article? Celine Dion is a Canadian artist. There is no need to stress her American sales rank in the introduction of the article. If anything, the sales of her home country should be stressed. Or, why not let it stand as is: with her international sales? I have nothing against the U.S., but the country doesn't and shouldn't take precedence over everything. We need to cater to a worldwide view.

The entire article is centred on Dion's objective to achieve international fame while retaining her Canadian identity (as evidenced by the section in the article where she vows to always be a French Canadian artist) and emphasis of her success in America defeats/clouds this objective. Stressing the U.S. sales rank in the intro to the biography of Canadian artist (while failing to mention Canadian sales rank) is also disrespectful in my opinion.

This edit seems to be in accordance with editors' obsession with sales rank (which female singer is the biggest or most successful)— the info found home in Madonna's, Mariah Carey's and Whitney Houston's article, and people assume that it should also be forced into this one. Well, different articles require different treatment, depending on the subject and slant of the article. Those singers are American, and their status in their own country is of exceptional notability. In this case, the U.S. is not the country for reference for Dion; it will forever be Canada.

To accommodate for everyone, I've moved the info to a section in the body of the article. Orane (talk) 01:43, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

I wish you would understand that the U.S. is a valid reference of musical success for all artists, regardless of origin. People can be successful without being successful in the U.S., but being successful in the U.S. is sufficient to be considered successful in and of itself. Success in a small country like Canada is important, interesting, and notable, but doesn't compare with being successful in the US, China, Japan, etc. You sound like you think that the article' objective is to describe what she perceives as her objective, and that that is what the article should be judged by. It isn't, and it shouldn't. It is intended to be an objective discussion of the artist, measuring things by objective criteria. By any objective criteria, her success in America is more important than her success in Canada.

Take it to the extreme: is someone that is successful in my country (the Netherlands Antilles) successful by any objective standard? No. You can reach the peak of a group of 190,000 people, and not be worthy of an enyclopedia article at all. We generate some good baseball players, but being the best here doesn't rate an article. The ones that go to the US and play, like Wladimir Balentien, get articles, in which the sole topic is what he has done for the Seattle Mariners.

Any effort by you to "slant" the article in any particular direction are completely inappropriate.Kww (talk) 02:34, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

You seem to be confused as to some important area of Wikipedia conventions. First off, coming to the U.S. gives an artist/athlete more "popularity" and "fame". But as Wikipedia's official policy on notability states, "Notability is distinct from 'fame', 'importance', or 'popularity', although these may positively correlate with it." In other words, if a topic is notable in a particular country, then that merits inclusion and consideration whether or not they come to America, or is seen as "important" by American standards. Success in America doesn't dictate what is successful, and doesn't demarcate notability in an encyclopedia, which seems to be the premise on which your entire argument lie.

Again, you also assume that objective criteria is solely by American standard, which isn't the case. The article is suppose to cater to a worldwide view, not a view measured by America (that is why, for instance, articles written on a topic where the language is a different version than that of the U.S version should be written with that country's spelling/punctuation conventions— i.e, in a Celine Dion article, we write "centre" and "colour" and not "center" and "color"). I'm become more and more disgusted by the fact that WP has become a place that facilitates a stupid album sales race among singers. I shall remove the point once more. It worked well in the body. Orane (talk) 04:10, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

By the way, both of us may be blocked if we keep this up: 3RR. Orane (talk) 04:13, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

I'll wait for someone else to put the text back where it belongs, but I'm afraid that it is you that are confused. I'm not arguing that Canadian success doesn't make someone notable. It certainly does. If Celine had stayed an isolated success in Quebec, but met the requirements laid down in WP:MUSIC, she would get an article, no questions asked. What we are discussing here is a matter of importance. Is number 5 in the US an unimportant detail? Something to be buried deep in the article? Something to be treated as less important than her Canadian success? Absolutely not. It is probably accounts for more of her income than anything else. It deserves lead status because it defines her current success. If she was number 5 in Canada, and that was the only success she had, she would barely be a star. Kww (talk) 11:33, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

I have to agree with Kww. Sales in the U.S. is far more important than any other country and it truly requires a merit. I don't see a reason why Journalist hates the idea of putting the statement regarding Ms. Dion's album sales figures in the section when, in fact, is a huge accomplishment for a Canadian artist like her and has so far became the fifth biggest-selling female recording artist of our time. I don't want to believe that Journalist hates that idea (which I find objective) and that he only wants to point out that she IS the best-selling female in the world, as claimed by the World Music Awards show. Ikabod08 (talk) 15:24, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Sales in the US are far more important than anywhere else? Why? WP:Music states that an artist/musician is notable if, among others criteria, he/she

1. Has had a charted hit on any national music chart.
2. Has had a record certified gold or higher in at least one country.
3. Has been the subject of a half hour or longer broadcast across a national radio or TV network. etc

In other words— and it's a point that I keep stressing, even though it still seems to elude you all— individual countries, separate from the U.S, is just as important (according to the Wiki community, that is). People do not need legitimization from the U.S. to be seen as notable. I do not hate the idea of placing the info in the article; I, however, hate the idea of treating that piece of information like a badge of rank for a Canadian artist, while failing to mention any other accomplishment. This is what we have in a nutshell: "Celine Dion is a French-Canadian pop artist who has sold 50 million albums in America." What you editors fail to understand is that Wikipedia isn't a U.S. encyclopedia, and there is no need to tout American accomplishments. Orane (talk) 01:26, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

I saw mention of this article on ANI. I am not a fan of Celine Deon. As you can see, I am an fan of Jessica Alba. Anyway, inclusion in WP does not require worldwide notability, regional notability is sufficient. Furthermore, mention of an aspect of an article pertaining to different countries is acceptable. Therefore, mention of the United States is not unacceptable although failure to mention worldwide notability would be a mistake. Mention of her notability in several markets, such as France, Canada, UK, Australia, and others is ok. Even adding her popularity in Paraguay (if she is) would be ok with me, though there should be a limit to prevent there from being 100 sections on the 100 countries that she is popular. Spevw (talk) 21:14, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

By the way, I love Jessica Alba too, and after all these years, I'm still very upset that Dark Angel got canceled. Anyway, I have the DVDs... But I digress. Spevw, I am not opposed to the fact of mentioning various countries in the article. I'm opposed to emphasizing one country that is not the singer's home country, as taking precedence over everything. Actually, I'm more opposed to the fact that one or few editors have gone around injecting the exact point into the introduction of every article of mainly three singers (Mariah Carey, Madonna, Whitney Houston) as a means of ranking them. The introduction already mentions her overall sales status. Why push it further? If we are to mention the U.S. in the introduction, why not also mention the fact the she is the best-selling Canadian singer, or that she has sold the most albums for a female artist across continental Europe (approx 50 million), or has sold x amount in this country and that one? Really, why not pack them all in the intro?

When I wrote the article, I was told repeatedly to mention the things that matter: her music, and not a bunch of numbers and statistics. However, since we have to mention her popularity, I've done so in the intro. To cloud it with who has sold what for each individual country, with their sales rank, would ruin the article. The point works fine in the body of the article. It's something I feel very strongly about. Orane (talk) 01:26, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Third opinion(s) requested

I have listed this page and dispute at WP:3O. Daniel Case (talk) 15:01, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

It's legitimate to note her American success in the body of the article, but the lead section isn't the place for that. The lead section is supposed to be a summary of the most centrally important basic facts about the topic — Céline Dion's record sales in the US, while certainly a laudable accomplishment, are not, in and of themselves, a more important fact about her than her record sales in Canada or France or the UK. Any reference to record sales numbers in the lead of the article should be her international total only; there's plenty of room to break it down by country later in the article. Bearcat (talk) 15:42, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Bearcat. It is inappropriate to mention her American success in the singer's article introduction. The facts are miscontrued to conclude that her popularity in the United States begat international success. Celine was internationally successful prior to the release of Unison album, which was the US's formal introduction to Celine Dion.

Iheartceline (talk) 22:44, 27 May 2008 (UTC)iheartceline

Grammy Award-Winning Artist

Celine Dion is a five time Grammy Award winner. That is a fact. Yet, it is not referenced in the lead. Other artists such as Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey, Christina Aguilera, Carole King, Shania Twain, Gloria Estefan, Aretha Franklin, and Barbra Streisand all have "Grammy Award winner" in the lead article. Celine's article should not be denied of this prestigious honor.PatrickDion22 (talk) 04:38, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Sales/WMA award

First of all the Chopard Diamond award give at the WMA's is given to an artist with sales in excess of 100 million, not to the best selling artist of all time. Take this for instance, Michael Jackson has been known to have sold more then 300 million records before 20000, and yet an artist like Bon Jovi who is known to have sold 120 million albums recieved an award well before Mchael ever has, not to mention they have yet to award, Madonna who is often credited (guiness, forbes, various news outlets,) as the best selling female musician in history. In other words to sum all this up the award is not give to the "best selling artist" simply an artist who has sold more then 100 million records.

Secondly the sources for her album sales are a mess. I don't believe that it is acceptable to cite an artist's record company as the official source of sales. If so then I could go and overhaul, every other female singers pages and you'll find a huge edit war over who really is the best selling female artist becasue all the record companies have the same figure, "over 200 million albums sold". PhoenixPrince (talk) 07:33, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

When Celine Dion recieved the Diamond Award, she was referenced all over the world as "the best selling female artist of all time." What is cited in Celine's main article regarding the Diamond Award is what was actually said during the awards ceremony and is backed up by media sources.

As for your allegations regarding Celine's discography; all of the sources are completely valid. There is nothing noted by Wikipedia Administrators for any change regarding Celine's discography section. There are, however other discography articles from other musicians that are in dire need of reputable sources, like Mariah Carey's and Madonna's, both of which have captions for additional references needed. PatrickDion22 (talk) 04:12, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Fansites are not (especially from angelfire) are not reputable sources. Where is the proof that the WMA referred to her as the best selling artist I cannot find any sort of source, what I do know however, by visisting the WMA website is that they give the award to an artist who has sold over 100 million records, it is not an award for best selling artist. PhoenixPrince (talk) 23:06, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

If I can interrupt.... Can't we just say "one of the..." instead of "the"? Various people have made various claims about being the best-selling artist. SKS2K6 (talk) 02:46, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Exactly, you have the best solution SKS2K6. PhoenixPrince (talk) 04:18, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

I won't even go into a lengthy explanation. I give you a clip from the official awards show WMA show. There is also various sources in the article. Orane (talk) 04:52, 30 July 2008 (UTC)