Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Failed log/January 2009

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The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 23:40, 28 February 2009 [1].

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List of Bleach chapters

Nominator(s): Tintor2 (talk)

I am renominating this for featured list after it had all its issues fixed from the previous nomination. Regards.Tintor2 (talk) 03:07, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Truco

Comments from Truco (talk · contribs) Lead In Japan, they are published in Shueisha's Weekly Shōnen Jump since 2001. -- They are should be 'they have been'. He also encounters former Soul Reaper Sōsuke Aizen who created an army of powerful hollow called arrancar to destroy the Soul Reapers' organization, Soul Society. -- Comma before who An anime adaptation, produced by Studio Pierrot and TV Tokyo and airing on TV Tokyo, premiered on October 5, 2004. -- Reword to An airing of a anime adaptation, produced by Studio Pierrot and TV Tokyo, premiered on TV Tokyo on October 5, 2004. Viz Media released the first volume on June 1, 2004, as of December 2008 twenty-five volumes have been released. -- Comma should be a semi-colon not a comma. List From my standpoint the listings seem fine, but I would seek a copyedit of the summaries of the chapters. But first of all, where are these based from?--TRUCO 02:51, 18 February 2009 (UTC) Thanks. Done the lead fixes. The summaries are based on the volumes. Is there any notable grammar issue?Tintor2 (talk) 10:59, 18 February 2009 (UTC) I mean, where do they come from. Are they reworded statements from another website? I'm not sure, but its a lot of content and a copyedit would be nice, just in case.TRUCO 21:22, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Nope, they were made based on the volumes. If not they would be breaking copyvio.Tintor2 (talk) 22:23, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Oh okay, then. Due to that, it is best to seek a good copyedit of them. For now I will Weak Support this nomination (since it meets the rest of the WP:WIAFL criteria) until a thorough copyedit is done.--TRUCO 22:49, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Goodraise

Resolved comments:

• Romaji titles need title-casing.
• "048. Menos Grande (メノスグランデ Menosugurande)" - No need to give romaji in this case.
• Ref 2 misuses the "title" parameter. Either give the chapter name or use the "chapter" parameter.
• Ref 61 needs a publisher.

-- Goodraise (talk) 21:58, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Done.Tintor2 (talk) 22:23, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

• "Ore-sama no na wa Ganju" -> "Ore-sama no Na wa Ganju"
• "Renshūkyoku Op.1" -> "Renshūkyoku op.1"
• "Hitori - ō no Kodoku" -> "Hitori - Ō no Kodoku"
• Link the publisher in ref. 59 and 61.

-- Goodraise (talk) 22:42, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Done.Tintor2 (talk) 22:51, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Weak support, until a prose expert says it meets 1.a. -- Goodraise (talk) 22:58, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Support: Meets the featured list criteria. -- Goodraise (talk) 01:02, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Note I have done two complete copy-edits (summaries only), one here and another here, after the summaries were expanded. I will repeat that I did not look at the lead. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:58, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

I did some light touching up of the lead, nothing major. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:32, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Sourcing

• Generally good, but can you find reliable sources to replace current refs 1 & 3. The encyclopedia section of ANN is editable by anyone, and therefore is not reliable. (NB. I have found mistakes with it recently). Rambo's Revenge (talk) 10:54, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
  • For ref 1, another source I found was this. Any idea of what source could be used for ref 3?Tintor2 (talk) 19:27, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
    • Something like that TV Tokyo Archive --KrebMarkt 19:35, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
      • Done. Thanks.Tintor2 (talk) 19:37, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
        • Sourcing is now fine, apologies I don't have time to give a full review. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 15:46, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

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List of Nashville Sounds no-hitters

I am nominating this list because I believe it meets all FL criteria. It appears well-written and provides full coverage of the subject. -NatureBoyMD (talk) 00:01, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Note: Table only has six items; although the lead is quite substantial considering. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:46, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

CommentQuick-Fail - like Dabomb said, the table is too short because it is not listing enough information. FLC's must have at least 10 items, excluding vacancies; exceptions to this are lists that present substantial information in the tables. This, I'm afraid, isn't one of them, however, the lead is well written. --Truco 19:28, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Speedy fail Sorry, the list does not have enough items.—Chris! _ct 20:00, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

• Length is not an excuse for featureability. Either it should have a chance to become featured or it should be merged (I'd point it to Nashville Sounds team records). Reywas92^Talk 04:38, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
  • Actually it does because this list isn't saying much, now if it were about a list on historic landmarks, that would be different because other notes and columns are added, but here only statistics are listed. I'd also point to a merge to Nashville Sounds team records.--Truco 21:56, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

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List of Presidents of India

User:La Pianista and I have been working on this article in early December last year, but the nomination was delayed because of the holidays. Anyway, I believe it meets the criteria now and is ready for nomination. Chamal ^talk 09:30, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

I happily co-nom (though a bit late). :) —La Pianista ^(T•C) 16:13, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

I'd like to withdraw this nom, since neither of us have the necessary time right now to improve the article. I have discussed this with La Pianista, and we agreed that the best thing to do would be to withdraw the nom. Thanks for the suggestions from everyone, we will work on them when we can. Or at least, someone else will. Chamal ^talk 14:03, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

• Images: Most of the images are under fair use rational and one nominated for deletion. Also, the ones with fair use rational do not seem to be in good shape. Various columns of fair use rational are not correctly filled up. Textual content seems to be good with thorough research done. --GPPande 12:43, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
• Comment: Changed Patil image. The fair use of other images is invalid. There are images of even the deceased Presidents available, some even on Flickr. OTRS system can be used. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 14:18, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
  • Thanks. I'll see if I can find some. Chamal ^talk 14:28, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

• Support Well-referenced and informative. Reywas92^Talk 21:43, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Oppose

Copyedit

1. he/she --> The president. (gender neutral without slash)
   • {{done}}
2. The post of President is known as Rashtrapati --> That would be in Hindi, not English
   • {{done}}
3. The President is elected by an electoral college of members of the parliament houses, Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha. Members of the Vidhan Sabha, the state legislative assemblies, are also involved in the election of the President. -- Choppy sentences. Needs to be combined as all three departments vote.
   • {{done}}
4. being representatives of the Indian National Congress. Presidents do not represent their parties
   • {{done}}
5. who died before his term of office was ended. --> Simplify: who died in office
   • {{done}}
6. Suggest you get it copyedited from a third person

Context

1. Prasad was the first President of independent India. --> India was independent in 1947. Somewhere you need to mention that the post of President came about in 1950 after India became a republic
   • {{done}}
2. Mention what act of the constitution sets the term of the president
   • {{done}}
3. Who appoints an acting president. Convert the text to active voice
   • I added this in the article as vice president assuming office. Was it something else you meant?
4. He is a recipient of the Bharat Ratna --> change tense
   • {{done}}
5. A timeline is needed. See List of Chief Ministers of Tamil Nadu
   • {{done}}
6. use a separate background colour for acting presidents
   • {{done}}
7. Any reason why there were two acting presidents in succession?
   • {{done}}

Manual of style

1. President of India in the lead needs to be bold
   • {{done}}
2. In the references, .html and .asp are not needed. It only applies to PDF, DOC and so on
   • {{done}}
3. Golden Army of Angels --> wikify not done It seems that Wikipedia doesn't have any information about this order. Should this be removed from the article?
   • {{done}}
4. Defense --> Use Indian English spellings
   • {{done}}
5. Use past tense for former presidents
   • {{done}}

Copyrights

1. Images have suspect licences. Indian government images are NOT in Public Domain

=Nichalp «Talk»= 08:03, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments. I have completed some, working on the others. Will try to find free images, if there aren't any, accurate fair use rationales will be provided. Chamal ^talk 09:57, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Golden Army of Angels --> red links are perfectly fine. It would encourage someone to create an article. =Nichalp «Talk»= 11:52, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

• Comments:
  • Lead section says: "Following Hussain's death, two acting presidents held office until the new president, Fakhruddin Ali Ahmed, was elected." - Next president was V V Giri himself who completed a five-year term.
    • {{done}}
  • In this context, it should be mentioned with ref that (something like this) if Vice-President is not available, Chief Justice of Supreme Court becomes acting President, as guided in Indian Constitution.
    • {{done}} (I did not find this in the constitution. Article 70 mentions that parliament may decide in exceptional conditions. I have added this Chamal ^talk 01:50, 6 January 2009 (UTC))
  • The two presidents who died in office, some info on how they died who would be good (in the last column of the table). - Not needed, they seems to have died natural deaths.--GDibyendu (talk) 09:33, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
  • N S Reddy row of the table says he was 9th President in last column, 6th in 1st column.
    • {{done}}
  • R Venkataraman row: he was jailed for participating in India's independence movement.
    • {{done}}
  • K R Narayanan row: he was chancellor of several universities. -> 'Vice-Chancellor' (of JNU). Wikipage on him does not give info on which other universities he was VC of.
    • {{done}} (He was a chancellor of several universities, as the ref shows. Have added VC info as well Chamal ^talk 01:50, 6 January 2009 (UTC))
      • The reason I pointing it out is that Vice-President, President and Governors of different states become Chancellor of universities by their position. For example, Chancellor of Delhi University is always Vice-President of India. Anyway, current info is referenced. BTW, 'chancellor in universities' should be 'chancellor of universities'.--GDibyendu (talk) 09:33, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

--GDibyendu (talk) 16:38, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "The President also holds the position of the Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces of India."-->The President is the Commander-in-chief of the armed forces of India.
  • {{done}}
• "Although the president is vested such powers by the constitution of India, it"—"it"-->the position.
  • {{done}}
• "that literally means "lord of the realm". " "literally" is implied unless suggested otherwise.
  • {{done}}
• "There have been twelve Presidents of India"—"twelve"-->12.
  • {{done}}
• "since the introduction of the post following"—"following"-->after.
  • {{done}}
• "She was also the first woman to serve as President of India." "was"-->is.
  • {{done}}
• What do the colors indicate in the table? A key is needed. {{done}}
  • Could you organize this a little better, a la List of Governors of Alabama? Dabomb87 (talk) 21:46, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
    • {{done}}
• All items in sortable columns should be linked.
  • {{done}}
• Please resolve the image issues; for fair use images, strive for minimal usage. Dabomb87 (talk) 20:24, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

• I believe Chamal is currently working on the last one. I've attempted to fix the other ones. —La Pianista ^(T•C) 21:26, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

• Items colored light brown to indicate acting president needs a symbol, such as * # ‡ † Dabomb87 (talk) 02:22, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
  • {{done}}

Sources

• I notice that you use Encyclopædia Britannica as a source. Generally, we should not be using other tertiary sources to source Wikipedia, a tertiary source in itself.
  • {{done}}
• Newspaper publications should be in italics, change "publisher" to work, see this sample edit. {{Done}}, if I understand correctly. —La Pianista ^(T•C) 21:35, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
  • You italicized everything here, I only meant the newspapers and magazines. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:46, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
    • Oops, sorry. Hopefully fixed now. :) —La Pianista ^(T•C) 21:52, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
• No leading 0s in dates, see this sample edit.
  • {{done}}

Dabomb87 (talk) 20:24, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Oppose from Kensplanet

• What makes REF18 (http://www.whereincity.com/india/great-indians/presidents/neelam-sanjiva-reddy.php) reliable?
  • {{done}} Nothing. There were a few references like that, but I must have missed this one when I replaced the others. I've put a better ref in place now.
• Can you find some better References for A.P.J. Abdul Kalam and Ramaswamy Venkataraman. http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/625441/Ramaswamy-Venkataraman and http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/861164/A-P-J-Abdul-Kalam are not good sources. The Presidents of India are well documented. Please consider some better sources. Check Google Books.
  • {{done}} New refs added.
• Unless copyright status of all the Images are cleared, I oppose. Kensplanet^T_C 07:23, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
  • I'll work on the images ASAP, probably during the weekend when I get more time, or earlier if I can manage. Chamal ^talk 13:28, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
    • Do ping me on my Talk once Image issues have been resolved. I'll surely reconsider my decision. Kensplanet^T_C 06:46, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
• The Lead looks very dry without an Image. Consider adding an Image like the President's residence or something. Kensplanet^T_C 06:46, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Image comments

• President #2 is not a free image (see [4])
• Same with President #3.
• Was this image really taken by that user? It seems rather old for that...
• (you cropped your President #3^1/3and #4 image from that)
• See if you can find President #6's image on Google Images...if you can't, than the description might be right.
• Need a non-free use rationale for President #7.
• Also need a NFRR for Prez #10.
• Hope that this helps you guys get it to FL. :) Cheers! —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 21:29, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
  • I will work on the images during the weekend. I have very limited time now, and will try to clear up the other issues until then. Chamal ^talk 12:07, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Comment by Sarvagnya

• indiafacts.headlinesindia.com does not seem to meet WP:RS standards.
  • {{done}} Replaced with the constitution.
• B D Jatti was not CM of Jamkhandi. Jamkhandi was his constituency. He was CM of 'Mysore' where "Mysore" should be linked to Karnataka.
  • {{done}}
• The colour coding to denote party affiliations is alright, but correct me if I'm wrong.. I feel it should be clarified that the Office of the President is not associated with a given party, regardless of the incumbent's prior affiliations.
  • {{done}} This is already mentioned just above the table. Chamal ^talk 02:41, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Sarvagnya 22:20, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Review 2

1. Six of these were representatives of the Indian National Congress. The Janata Party has produced one president, Neelam Sanjiva Reddy. I'm not happy with this statement. I would suggest a rewrite on these lines "...were active party members of..."
   • {{done}}
2. It would be a worth note to mention that candidates affiliated to the ruling political party at the centre are likely to become President.

• Prose and redundancies:

1. is largely a ceremonial role
   • {{done}}
2. exercised by the Cabinet Ministers and Prime Minister. --> convert to active voice
3. since the introduction of the post. The post was established in 1950 --> check the flow. Include 1950 in the first sentence.
   • {{done}}
4. when he resigned --> confusing wording. Mention the name of the person in the sentence for clarity
   • {{done}}
5. via -- colloquial
   • {{done}}
6. indicate the following. A colon is needed to indicate an incomplete sentence
   • {{done}}
7. You can also mention that since 1977, all presidents have assumed office on 25 July.
8. was also a chancellor
9. Early on, Venkataraman
10. British due to his involvement --> "for his"
    • {{done}}
11. India’s Provisional Parliament --> This is something new for me. Link?
    • Ref is already there at end of sentence.
12. first Sikh to become President of India. --> Trivia not needed. We do not have a similar entry for first the Muslim and Christian to be President
    • {{done}}
13. ...State of Mysore... Link to State of Mysore instead of Karnataka
    • {{done}}
14. Fakhruddin Ali Ahmed served as a Minister --> What portfolio?
15. remains the only person --> is the only person
    • {{done}}
16. Bharat Ratna award --> Bharat Ratna
    • {{done}}
17. 'in order to
    • {{done}}
18. Would like to see a cite for "lord of the realm"
19. You need not sort the portrait and notes column. Also check and see if the dates sort correctly. You might need to use a sort key
20. You can also add an "age at assuming office" column
21. You can also add a "% of support" column if the data is available.
    • For the age and support percentage, I'm not sure if there will be information for all presidents. Finding important details about them on reliable sources was surprisingly hard (I'd have thought that Indian presidents would be covered deeply in media), and I don't think there will be many good sources for this info. I'll see if I can find any. Chamal ^talk 12:22, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

=Nichalp «Talk»= 15:19, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually I references are pretty much available http://presidentofindia.nic.in has the birthdays of the most presidents, and % victory is available here: http://pib.nic.in/archieve/pelection2007.pdf (You might have to scavenge for the 1997, 2002 & 2007 results though). Limit searching to the .gov.in and .nic.in domains on Google. =Nichalp «Talk»= 17:07, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Speedily closed per nominator withdrawal [5]. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 14:16, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

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Billy Ray Cyrus discography

I think that this page is worthy enough of being a FL. It's completely sourced, everything runs and flows well together. The page is always being monitored by myself and others. Absolutely everything looks great! EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 04:17, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Comment "This following is detailed discography for the American country music artist Billy Ray Cyrus." We don't start lists like this anymore. Look at recently promoted discographies for ideas. Dabomb87 (talk) 04:20, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Better? EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 04:24, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes. Dabomb87 (talk) 04:47, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Resolved comments from SRX

Strong Oppose - many problems with the prose, table, and references that fail WP:WIAFL

• Billy Ray Cyrus is an American country music artist, who has released 10 studio albums, with an eleventh due for an expected release in 2009. **1)link to the music genre?
  • • Done! EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 17:51, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
• The album produced the hit single "Achy Breaky Heart" which reached #1 on the Billboard Hot Country Songs chart and #4 on the Billboard Hot 100.
  • 1)Comma before which
    • Done! EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 17:51, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
• However, Trail of Tears failed to produce any top 40 hits.
  • 1)In this context, the however should come after Trail of Tears
    • Done! EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 17:51, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
• 2003's Time Flies was issued on Madacy Records and followed, that same year, by The Other Side on Word Records.
  • 1)When did he sign to these records?
• In 2006, Cyrus signed with Walt Disney Records which issued the album Home at Last in 2007.
  • 1)Comma before which
    • Done! EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 17:51, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
• Cyrus' highest charting album since It Won't Be the Last, it produced the single "Ready, Set, Don't Go", a duet with daughter Miley.'
  • 1)No need for the it before produced

Comment Are you sure? It doesn't sound right if it's not there. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 17:51, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

• This was his first Top 5 hit in nearly a decade.
  • 1)Why is top capitalized, and the others aren't? Consistency is needed.
  • 2)In addition, when top 40s and top 5 are mentioned, what chart is it referring to?
    • Done! EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 17:51, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
• The last two paragraphs in the lead can be merged into one.
  • • Done! EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 17:51, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
• Billboard in the prose needs to be italicized and linked on the first occurrence
  • • Done! EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 17:51, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
• Canadian chart positions are unknown from November 2000 to June 2004
  • Why are they unknown? A footnote should be given as to why, because this leaves the reader in question.
    • Done! EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 02:36, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
  • Notes like this and ->Pop 100 chart did not exist until February 2005. need to be in a footnotes section, not in the table itself, only the "-" denotes...etc. should be in the table, the others should be in footnotes.
    • Done! EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 17:51, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
• Some of the notes need to be verified with a source.

Comment Which ones? EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 17:51, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

• So there were no directors for the entries that are blank in the directors table?
• This list of songs or music-related items is incomplete; you can help by expanding it.
  • Now this puzzles me, if its incomplete, then the list is inaccurate, either remove the section, or attempt to complete the table.
    • Done! EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 17:51, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
• The references need to be converted using {{cite web}} templates.--SRX 15:50, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

The ones without replies, are they completed?--SRX 01:09, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

There's only two. "When did he sign to these records?" for Time Flies and The Other Side. That one I didn't change because I don't the answer to that one. And with the Canadian charts, because I must've skipped that one. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 02:33, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

How about adding transitions to the sentences, like "after signing with ___ records, Cyrus released..." or "He released ... after signing with .. records"SRX 03:21, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Done! EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 15:27, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Further comments

• The album produced the #1 single "Achy Breaky Heart", as well three additional top 40 hits on the Billboard Hot Country Singles & Tracks (now Hot Country Songs). - need to add a as before three
  • • Done! EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 23:18, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
• Both album, The Best of Billy Ray Cyrus: Cover to Cover and Shot Full of Love, together only produced two top 40 singles. - both album?
  • • Done! Fix to "albums" EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 23:19, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
• Cyrus left Mercury in 1999 and quickly signed with Monument Records, who released Southern Rain in 2000. - 1)remove the quickly 2)who-->which
  • • Done! EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 23:20, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
• He then signed with Madacy Records, and released Time Flies in 2003. - no need for the comma
• When the single didn't do well on the chart, he left the label and quickly signed with Word/Curb/Warner Bros. to released The Other Side, also in 2003. - how about When the single didn't rank well on the chart, he left the label later that year and signed with Word/Curb/Warner Bros. to release The Other Side.
  • • Done! EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk)
• Cyrus' highest charting album since It Won't Be the Last, it produced the single "Ready, Set, Don't Go", a duet with daughter Miley. - how about adding As to the beginning of the sentence?--SRX 19:13, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
  • • Done! EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 23:23, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Weak Support - there were many problems at first, but now it meets WP:WIAFL, although a peer review could have done good here.--SRX 00:28, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Oppose Good start, but I have a few problems and suggestions:

• "4× Multi-Platinum" is redundant. 4x is Multi. Should be 4x Platinum.
  • Comment See note by TenPoundHammer. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 18:10, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
• The small font for the Album details is unneccessary. The irony with using small font with bullet points is that it doesn't actually save any vertical space at all, it just makes it more difficult to read. I'd recommend taking a look at pretty much every other FL discog, as I think none of them use small font for anythibg but the catalog numbers.
  • Done! EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 18:10, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
• In "RIAA (US):", I don't think it's neccesary to mentioned RIAA. We don't qualify US in the chart positions with "Billboard (US)", so there's no need here. Just likk US to RIAA, and if the reader wants to know more they can click through. Same thing with CRIA.
  • Done! EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 18:10, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
• "Canadian chart positions are unknown from November 2000 to June 2004" bothers me quite a bit. What that seems to me to say is that you just couldn't find that info. It obviously exists, so it's just a matter of finding it. And without finding it, the list is not complete.
  • Comment Nope, Canadian chart positions cannot be found because RPM (magazine) closed in November 2000, and so they can't be found anywhere. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 18:10, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

He's right, there is no source to verify the CAN chart positions between November 2000 (when RPM closed) and June 2004 (when the Canadian R&R Country chart was first published). This wasn't a hindrance in Diamond Rio discography.

I see; I did not know that... Well, I won't hold that against the article for now, though it would be nice if there were some reliable source telling us this rather than something we are assuming. Is there any such source you could direct me to? Drewcifer (talk) 19:49, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Best I can tell you is that RPM went under in November 2000 and R&R started its Canadian country chart in June 2004. Ask Eric444 or Caldorwards4, they might know. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 21:00, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

• A bunch of the music videos are missing directors.
  • 'Comment Haven't been able to find them. And theirs only 9 that don't have one. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 18:10, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Also not a hindrance. We don't know who directed the "Working Man's Blues" video that Diamond Rio did as Jed Zeppelin. "Unknown" might be a good filler here. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 17:31, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

I've been away from FLC for a few months, and I surely would've brought this up with the Diamond Rio FLC if I was around, but I find it hard to believe that we're okay with incomplete lists. By "unkown" what are we saying? That the information isn't available? Of course the information is available, and if you can't find it then you aren't looking in the right places. Someone directed the music video, so saying "We can't find it" just doesn't cut it for me. And the argument that the Diamond Rio discog has one missing is pretty irrelevant as well, per WP:OSE. Drewcifer (talk) 19:49, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

The information isn't available online at least. CMT is a good source, but even they are missing some director credits, and there doesn't seem to be any other source for them. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 21:00, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Research does not begin and end online. If it can't be found online, look elsewhere. Information being difficult to find doesn't mean it shouldn't be included. Drewcifer (talk) 01:59, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

And where else would they be found? I've checked sources like Country Weekly and other music magazines. Country music is not very well covered in print sources, and video directors are especially hard to find. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 16:06, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

• The citations need to be formatted using citation templates.

• Agreed. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 17:31, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

• MVDbase is not considered a reliable source. Needs to be replaced.
  • Done! EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 18:10, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
• Some external links would be good.
• Some general references would also help.
• The certifications in the video section are formmatted differently than the other certification columns throughout the list.
• The first table featuring certifications should include a link to Music recording sales certification and List of music recording sales certifications. Take a look at Nine Inch Nails discography for an example. 02:28, 2 January 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drewcifer3000 (talk • contribs)
  • Done! EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 18:10, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Note: RIAA uses "(foo) × Multi-Platinum" so I think that's appropriate. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 15:29, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Huh, good point. Well, it's still redundant, but I guess if the source is redundant is okay. Drewcifer (talk) 19:49, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

• Comment The album appearences still need sources, and the citations need to beformatted with {{cite web}} Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 19:28, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Oppose I haven't looked at the prose or tables yet, but the lead needs inline citations, which whould be formatted with URLs, page titles, publishers (with publisher dates as necessary) and last access dates. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:04, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

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Paulini Curuenavuli discography

Self-nomination I have significantly contributed to the list and believe it meets all attributes of the featured list criteria. The discography follows the same format as my previous discographies for past Australian Idol contestants, Ricki-Lee Coulter discography and Joel Turner discography. Please note that Paulini Curuenavuli has only charted in Australia, except for her debut single, "Angel Eyes" which also charted in New Zealand. I'm willing to address all concerns and will check this candidacy several times a day. Thanks! Hpfan9374 (talk) 14:12, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Note to closing editor - I have addressing all but one of Cannibaloki and Udonknome's concerns. I have addressed half of this concern by referencing the directors of her music videos, "Rough Day" and "So Over You". I am currently addressing the remaining half of this concern; I have phoned Sony BMG however they have stated that she is an inactive artist on their label, and cannot help me with the concern. I have since phoned her new management, Revolutions Per Minute, who have informed me that they did not release her earlier material ("Rough Day" and "So Over You"), however they are currently contacting Paulini directly, asking her the directors names. Once these names are received, I will then be able to access the director's website or retrieve the director's resume/filmography, to reference them with reliable sources. Thanks! Hpfan9374 (talk) 04:56, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Resolved comments from SRX

Comments

• The release was a commercial success with platinum certification by the ARIA and produced two top thirty singles, including a number-one single "Angel Eyes".-1)Either place a comma between success and with and by ARIA and and or just between ARIA and and 2)ARIA needs to be spelled out per WP:ACRONYM.

I've added both the commas.

• The release was a minor success, peaking at #70 on the ARIA Charts-how about it earned or received minor success because was makes it sound like WP:POV

Thanks, I've changed it to received.

• The release failed to achieve the commercial success of its predecessor, peaking at #72.-#72 on which chart?

It peaked at #72 on the only previously mentioned chart in the lead, the ARIA charts. I'll add it if you want, but I am pretty sure it is assumed.

• Later that year, she co-founded girl group Young Divas and, with them, released their commercially successful eponymous debut album, in 2006 and their second cover album, New Attitude, in 2007.-1)the comma needs to be placed before and 2)The comma needs to go after 2006 not after album 3)Comma before the and near 2006. 4)Its too many commas in this sentence, I recommend splitting it.

I've added the commas, and split the sentence.

• Director name for these music videos has not been found in reliable sources. - how about The director's name for this music video has not been found in reliable sources. because they will be redirected here individually and not by pluralized refs.

Very true, changed.

• The song was selected as the anthem of World Youth Day 2008. - This not The

I have correct it, as per your request.

--SRX 01:06, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

I feel I have made the necessary changes. Thankyou very much for your comments you have once again expanded both the article and my knowledge for future reference. Hpfan9374 (talk) 01:35, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

• Support - comments resolved to meet WP:WIAFL.--SRX 16:09, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Thankyou very much for your support SRX. I greatly appreciated your comments and assistance; they will help me expand as a wikipedian. Thanks! Hpfan9374 (talk) 22:50, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Your welcome :) SRX 03:39, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Strong Weak oppose

• "one extended play (EP)"

I don't understand, what's wrong? ... Are you talking about the lead:

Paulini Curuenavuli, commonly known as Paulini is an Australian, multi-platinum pop singer-songwriter. She has released two studio albums, one extended play and five singles, in addition to five music videos.

Do you want me to change "one extended play" to "one extended play (EP)"?

+ (EP) → She has released two studio albums, one extended play (EP) and five singles, in addition to five music videos.

Changed, as per your request.

• Merge the second para with the first.

Sure.

• "Curuenavuli came to prominence, after placing fourth on the first season of Australian Idol in 2003."

I've added the comma.

• "The release also produced produced"

Whoops. I've deleted the second repeated word.

• As of August 2008 (?) That I known, we are in December, right?

The source from the Herald Sun, entitled Then there were two Young Divas was posted in August 2008, not December.

• • In short, the lead is a copy of Ricki-Lee Coulter discography. (similar style)

Yes, it is a similiar style, as they are both Australian singers, previous Australian Idol contestants and former members of the Young Divas. I wrote the lead of Ricki-Lee Coulter discography anyway.

Okay, I think that helped quite manipulating the words, is no longer seemed so.

Great.

• Peak chart positions? You have just one.

Okay, I've changed it to "Peak chart position" under studio albums and extended plays subheadings.

• ARIA certification (sales thresholds)

The sales thresholds are important, to determine the number of copies shipped.

• Delink all dates.

Fixed.

• Dates in the international format (dd-mm-yyyy).

Fixed.

• You have two music videos without the name of director and their respective reference.
  • The director's name for this music video has not been found in reliable sources. (For me, this means that his discography is incomplete and therefore can not be promoted to FL status.)

This is the case in Paul Kelly discography.

Bad case.

Okay then.

• MVDBase isn't a reliable source!

MVDBase is used in a whopping 91 articles and their mostly discography articles, alot of which are featured lists. Please suggest an alternative? Can I use the liner notes from the singles?

Can I use the liner notes from the singles? → of course, use {{Cite album-notes}}

Should I use {{Cite album-notes}} or {{Cite music release notes}}?

I have retrieved the singles' liner notes, however the music video directors' names were not stated. I have referenced the the director of her music videos, "Rough Day" and "So Over You" with Jonathan and Josh Baker's official filmography site. I have since phoned Sony BMG, however they have stated that she is an inactive artist on their label, and cannot they help me with the concern. I have since phoned her new management, Revolutions Per Minute, who have informed me that they did not release her earlier material ("Rough Day" and "So Over You"), however they are currently contacting Paulini directly, asking her the directors names. Once these names are received, I will then be able to access the director's website or retrieve the director's resume/filmography, to reference them with reliable sources. Thankyou for your patience and co-operation in this matter. Hpfan9374 (talk) 05:00, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

• Don't have an external link?

No, it is not part of the featured list criteria. You supported my previous list, Ricki-Lee Coulter discography, without external links?

It's only a question. Cannibaloki 18:43, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

She doesn't, her official site is "closed", I don't really want to link to her social networking site, as I don't feel that would be appropriate and the only other site related to her is paulini.info and that's a mere fansite.

• I think is almost a quick-fail, and hardly my opinion will change. Cannibaloki 05:39, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

I feel I have made the necessary changes and addressed your concerns. Thankyou very much for your comments. I await your response to continue fixing the list's faults. Hpfan9374 (talk) 08:21, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Comments by Udonknome (talk · contribs)

• Lead – Various issues:

• "Paulini Curuenavuli, commonly known as Paulini is an..." – The rest of the discography refers to her as "Curuenavuli". I suggest you stick to the last name and remove the part in italics, or otherwise, stick to the first name.

She uses "Paulini" for her recordings, so I'll rather stick to the first name and keep the commonly known as Paulini is an..."

• "an Australian, multi-platinum pop singer-songwriter." – The wikilink of two or more words/phrases next to each other is not recommended per MOS:LINK. As well, "multi-platinum" is unnecessary. Change to the wording to something like "is an Australian pop singer and songwriter".

Changed to "is an Australian pop singer and songwriter", as per your request.

• "Curuenavuli came to prominence, after placing fourth" – Remove that she came to prominence, as this is regionally bias. She is hardly known outside of Australia, and she doesn't seem to be that popular either in her home country, as seen from the charts. Also, I doubt that the fact that she came fourth is notable in a discography article.

I've removed this sentence, as per your request.

• "The release was a commercial success" – More POV. Let the numbers and statistics peak for themselves.

I've removed this sentence, as per your request, stating the statistics in the lead.

• "including a number-one single" – Unnecessary link, as it doesn't had nothing to the context of the discography. You may want to read WP:OVERLINK, as this practice seems to be common throughout the lead.

Thanks for the link to WP:OVERLINK, I've had a read of it and removed the link to the List of number-one singles in Australia in 2004.

• "The release received minor success," – Same as per above, minor or major success is highly subjective. I am sure there are lots of musicians that would love to have their music peak in a national music chart.

Indeed, I bet there as having a single peak in a national music chart means notability and warrants the artist an article.

• Replace #70 with "number seventy". As well, the EP peaked at number seventy on the Australian Top 100 Albums Chart and not on the non-existent "ARIA Chart".

Replaced #70 with "number seventy", as per your request.

• "The release also produced produced two top fifty singles" – An album doesn't produce singles. In addition, top fifty where?

Indeed, I have "fixed" the wording in the lead.

• The word "release" and its variants are mentioned in six sentences in a row. Avoid such repetitions.

Sorry about that. I've cut it down to three sentences in the entire lead. Hope thats okay.

• At the end, the lead mentions her work with a music group, yet this is nowhere reflected in the rest of the article. Keeping in mind that the lead should summarize the content of an article and that this is the Paulini Curuenavuli discography (and not the Young Divas discography), I suggest you remove this.

Alright. I'll attempt to achieve featured list-status for Young Divas discography later.

• Is she signed to any record label? The lead should definitely mention this

I've included it in the first paragraph, the same place it is in several other featured discographies.

• Overall, the lead is stubby and is not engaging, as required by #2 of the FL criteria.

Sorry about that too. I've rearranged the entire wording in the lead and hopefully it now satisfies #2 of the FL criteria.

• In the album's tables, there is no point in having a column heading "Peak chart position" when underneath there is only an Australia column. It would be like having a column named "Certification" with underneath only "ARIA certifications"

I've changed it to "AUS chart peak" instead of having a column heading "Peak chart position" when underneath there is only an Australia column, as per your request.

• As Cannibaloki said, "ARIA certifications (sales thresholds)". There is no point in linking to a list of music certifications by country, when there are only certifications from one country in the whole discography

Very well. I have removed "(sales thresholds)", as per your request.

• In the extended plays section, why are 2 references necessary for one chart position? Same for the New Zealand singles chart column.

Two references were not necessary to reference one chart position in the extended plays section, and so I have removed one redundant reference. However, two references are required (surprisingly), for the New Zealand singles chart column, to reference that the Australian Idol single "Rise Up" did not chart, as this is just as important as referencing a charting single. The other reference in the New Zealand singles chart column is to reference her debut single, "Angel Eyes".

• In the music video table, change the heading "Song" to "Title".

Replaced "Song" to "Title", as per your request.

• In the music video table, remove "Unknown" along the note. It's just ridiculous. MVDbase is not considered a reliable source either. Overall, only one out of the five alleged videos are backed up by reliable sources.

Removed "Unknown" along the note. MVDBase is used in a whopping 91 articles and their mostly discography articles, alot of which are featured lists. Please suggest an alternative? Can I use the liner notes from the singles?

Should I use {{Cite album-notes}} or {{Cite music release notes}}?

I have retrieved the singles' liner notes, however the music video directors' names were not stated. I have referenced the the director of her music videos, "Rough Day" and "So Over You" with Jonathan and Josh Baker's official filmography site. I have since phoned Sony BMG, however they have stated that she is an inactive artist on their label, and cannot they help me with the concern. I have since phoned her new management, Revolutions Per Minute, who have informed me that they did not release her earlier material ("Rough Day" and "So Over You"), however they are currently contacting Paulini directly, asking her the directors names. Once these names are received, I will then be able to access the director's website or retrieve the director's resume/filmography, to reference them with reliable sources. Thankyou for your patience and co-operation in this matter. Hpfan9374 (talk) 05:00, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

• The note indicating that "Receive the Power" "was selected as the anthem of World Youth Day 2008" is not relevant to a discography. Such information should be covered in the song's article, if it isn't already.

Removed the note indicating that "Receive the Power" "was selected as the anthem of World Youth Day 2008", as per your request. This information is covered in the song's article. Thanks for your help in clearing this up.

• Correct the number of "other appearances" in the Infobox.

Replaced the number "1" to "2" in the "other appearances" section of the Infobox.

There are more issues and ways for improvement for this discography, so I'll have to oppose this now. Do U(knome)? ^yes..._{or no} 03:17, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

I feel I have made the necessary changes and addressed your concerns. Thankyou very much for your comments. I await your response to continue fixing the list's faults. Thanks again Hpfan9374 (talk) 11:50, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

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Super 14 champions

previous FLC

I believe this is a solid list and is well formated. Last time, most said no this becoming featured on the basis that only one season had been played and thus, couldn't be a 'list'. I now believe that this arguement can not be used against the list and that it will successfully become featured.--Hamedog_Talk|^@ 17:22, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Quick-Fail Lead has no references, neither does the table. If you don't want to add an inline citation to every item in the table, please add a general reference. All web references should have a title, URL, publisher and last access date. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:26, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Changed to quick-fail per given issues, although I am willing to rescind if major cleanup is carried out in the next day or so. Dabomb87 (talk) 04:14, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Quick-Fail

• Super 14 champions is the title given to the winner of the rugby union tournament, the Super 14. - wouldn't the appropriate title be "Super 14 champion"

No, the media refers to the winners as the champions, not champion (probably because of there being 28 odd members in a team)

• This list should be renamed to List of Super 14 champions

Please see Tri Nations Series champions or Super 12 champions —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.232.205.12 (talk) 20:52, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

• No in-line citations

more now

• The tournament was known as the Super 12 from 1996 to 2005, but has expanded to included the Western Force, from Perth, Western Australia and the Central Cheetahs, from Free State, South Africa. -1)Include not Included 2)comma before and

Serial comma's are not common in New Zealand English, which this is written in. Include has been fixed

• Each season, each team plays every other Super 14 team once, in a round-robin. - repetitive use of each, reword

Suggestion? Every season?

• The prose does not summarize the list in any way

New sentence, hopefully fixes issue.

• The 2 citations need to be formatted correctly, and 2 citations are not verifying the entire list, does not meet WP:WIAFL--SRX 16:27, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

New ciations. -- logged out User:Hamedog

• The name of the title should still be changed
• The lead does not summarize the list, my quick fail remains.--SRX 00:37, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Quick-fail

• Ref 5 is not a WP:reliable source, it's some families website "We are the Lassen family and we currently live in Palmerston North in New Zealand..."
• Ref 6 is an empty page
• Is ref 1 a reliable source?
• On the whole largely unreferenced
• Image probably doesn't meet WP:NFCC
• Why list is a "List of champions" listing the top four, this list essentially only has 3 items.
• "Total wins" tables should be sortable and in order of wins
• Conflicts with MOS - WP:DASH (ndashes needed), WP:COLOUR (need text labels)

Rambo's Revenge (talk) 23:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Closing note: This candidate has been archived, but there may be a delay in the bot processing the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{FLC}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 05:55, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

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