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Thanks it looks like the thought police are in full swing here tonight so I'm done for a while. I never thought any of Zinn's fans would deny that he was a socialist or an anarchist. I guess some people really can't handle reality. --[[User:Torckey|Torckey]] ([[User talk:Torckey|talk]]) 05:28, 28 January 2010 (UTC) |
Thanks it looks like the thought police are in full swing here tonight so I'm done for a while. I never thought any of Zinn's fans would deny that he was a socialist or an anarchist. I guess some people really can't handle reality. --[[User:Torckey|Torckey]] ([[User talk:Torckey|talk]]) 05:28, 28 January 2010 (UTC) |
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There is a new Wikipedia:WikiProject Michigan/Detroit page to join. Thanks.Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 17:37, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
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Einar, (aka Carptrash I am embarassed to use your handle), yes, we have similar interests, and now that I have time I am actually re-enacting your art interests. I just found out about the storyteller pottery currently (and I believe recently, within the previous 3 decades) used by the Pueblo people in the retail potter market. I am not quite sure where to put this in an article. I have a reference which lists the current authentic Pueblo potters. (again, not quite sure where to put this). The Field Museum in Chicago within the last two years showed some work by modern Pueblo potters which shows the high skill level of the newest generation of potters. (sophisticated designs, new totems, etc.) --Ancheta Wis (talk) 22:17, 7 November 2009 (UTC) I am logged in at a library in El Paso while currently travelling, and it occurred to me that you might not have seen this reply. --209.194.208.132 (talk) 19:43, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
SORRY BOUT THAT, ACTUALLY MY LITTLE BRO WAS MESSIN WITH MY WIKIPEDIA. BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR APOLOGY.
I MEAN I APOLOGISE AGAIN, SORRY AGAIN :-$
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Discussion moved from user page.
Firstly
I have declared all my edits to be a diabolic mixture of opinion and original research.
- This is exactly your problem, though I understand the difficulty sometimes, none of your edits should have any opinion in it. Wikipedia is about facts, not opinion, the two are opposites. Peoples opinion differ, you must leave all emotion out of it. Origional research works, you just have to be able to decyfer between the facts and the researcher's opinion. Sorry to edit here, I just wanted you to read this.--Az81964444 (talk) 05:34, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
I think I will move this to my talk page, but posting on my user page to get my attention is fine. When I wrote the above passage I was being sarcastic. However at any time that you discover a violation of either of those principles - Opinion and Original research in my edits please feel free to point it out. Carptrash (talk) 17:03, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Carp, please take a look. I think I put in a link to the wrong award. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 18:57, 1 December 2009 (UTC) Stan
- I think (opinion) that it's okay now. Carptrash (talk) 21:10, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
- I've always admired a great philosopher/writer/analyst, who once wrote (self effacingly) that his work consisted of a "diabolic mixture of opinion and original research". As I approach 25K in edits, I have found that it is sometimes impossible to separate fact from other 'stuff', and that one cannot create artificial boundaries when the content and subject do not so allow. The article is much improved. Thank you. If you come up with other thoughts they would be appreciated. Best to you. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 22:27, 1 December 2009 (UTC) Stan
- My grandfather was a member of that church when it was built, his family (my father and his sisters) went there, and my grandfather was buried from there. It is truly a magnificent building that should not be overlooked. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 22:32, 1 December 2009 (UTC) Stan
- Interestingly, this article was apparently started by my cousin, a professional writer (formerly for the Hamtramck Citizen and presently for another paper in Oakland County, who has written books about Hamtramck history and Michigan architecture. While his thoughts and words largely survive in this article, they were greeted with Wiki scorn in some of the first edits. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 22:37, 1 December 2009 (UTC) Stan
- My grandfather was a member of that church when it was built, his family (my father and his sisters) went there, and my grandfather was buried from there. It is truly a magnificent building that should not be overlooked. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 22:32, 1 December 2009 (UTC) Stan
- I've always admired a great philosopher/writer/analyst, who once wrote (self effacingly) that his work consisted of a "diabolic mixture of opinion and original research". As I approach 25K in edits, I have found that it is sometimes impossible to separate fact from other 'stuff', and that one cannot create artificial boundaries when the content and subject do not so allow. The article is much improved. Thank you. If you come up with other thoughts they would be appreciated. Best to you. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 22:27, 1 December 2009 (UTC) Stan
As I recall there is some very nice sculpture on the facade of St. F and I have long tried to learn who did it - to no avail. If you have any insights I'd love to hear them. Oh yes, thatnks for understanding the jist of my opinion and original research statement. Not everyone does. Carptrash (talk) 01:06, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
- Einar, I don't. You might try contacting Greg Kowalski, my cousin. He may work for the Oakland Press or a paper in Rochester, Michigan. He knows a lot of architecture in Detroit, and may have some insight. Not sure. The other alternative would be to contact the parish directly -- although I don't know anyone there personally, and don't know that they know the answers either. I see if I can find an e-mail address for Greg, and if I do I'll get back to you. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 01:11, 2 December 2009 (UTC) Stan
Here's what I discovered so far. Attention: Greg Kowalski Title: Editor News Source: Eccentric-Birmingham/Bloomfield Edition Address: 805 East Maple Street City: Birmingham State: MI - Michigan Zip: 48009 Country: USA Phone: 248-901-2560 Fax: 248-644-1314 Greg Kowalski, Birmingham Eccentric, 6200 Metropolitan Parkway, Sterling Heights, MI 48312, or e-mail to gkowalski@hometownlife.com 7&6=thirteen (talk) 01:15, 2 December 2009 (UTC) Stan
- Thanks. I've tried the parish before, to no avail. Is this the same Greg K who co-authored "Art Deco in Detroit" with Rebecca Benno? I will send him something ,an email probably, soon. Carptrash (talk) 02:15, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
- One and the same. Hope that helps. Pass on my regards, and let him know that you and I have tried to polish (not Polish) his work in Wikipedia. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 03:27, 2 December 2009 (UTC) Stan
- Thanks. I've tried the parish before, to no avail. Is this the same Greg K who co-authored "Art Deco in Detroit" with Rebecca Benno? I will send him something ,an email probably, soon. Carptrash (talk) 02:15, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your help.
Carp/Einar, when I was just starting, you were a great help. A good (and friendly) foundation helps. This is my 25,000th edit, and you helped make that possible. Best to you. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 18:10, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
Crediting of images
Since you always credit your images to E.E.K., I've always assumed that E.E.K. is your real name. If I'm correct, would you be willing to put a statement to that effect on your userpage? The issue came up in this featured article candidacy: someone said that one of your images was suspect because it was uploaded by Carptrash but credited to E.E.K. Without a doubt the FA is going to fail (the article even has a cleanup template currently!), but I wonder if clarifying the name issue might help with other images down the road. Of course, if I'm wrong or if you're not willing to make such a statement, I'm not going to complain. Nyttend (talk) 20:02, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, Einar Einarsson Kvaran, Einar E Kvaran, Einar Kvaran, EE Kvaran, EEK, eek and eeeek are all the same person, me. Carptrash (talk) 20:46, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for the statement; I was already quite confident that Einar was your name, but someone who hadn't previously encountered you was unsure. And thanks, too, for the interesting and enjoyable story :-) Nyttend (talk) 06:57, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, Einar Einarsson Kvaran, Einar E Kvaran, Einar Kvaran, EE Kvaran, EEK, eek and eeeek are all the same person, me. Carptrash (talk) 20:46, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
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Dear EEK:
An earlier version of Wiki had a better quality reproduction of your photo of the Padre Martinez memorial in Taos.
My name is Fr. Juan Romero, born in Taos, ordained for Los Angeles Archdiocese in 1964, and author of RELUCTANT DAWN. I worked closely with Senator Cisneros, sculptor Huberto Maesstas and many others for the erection of the memorial that took place in 2006.
I was intrigued that so soon after the installation, unveiling, of the larger than life-sized likeness, your fine photo appeared in the cyberspace encyclopeida.
In the near future I will be publishing another work on Padre Martinez--THE HONOR OF HIS HOMELAND--and would like to use your photo on the cover. May I?
I have read the copyright matieral re: photos and statues including the item by your English comrade Solipsist about "recent photograph of a recent sculpture." Nevertheless, I would like to have your OK. With your permission, I would prefer not to use the pseudonym Carptrash or any AKA variant of EEK. May I use Charles K. or the full last name?
Please respond to me at <juanrvi@aol.com>.
Mil gracias Fr. Juan Romero <thetaosconnection.com>
Carp, Please take a look at this. Note that Wikipedia needs an article on Spires (architecture). 7&6=thirteen (talk) 13:58, 9 December 2009 (UTC) Stan
- Never mind about Spire. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 14:04, 9 December 2009 (UTC) Stan
Hal Blaine
Thanks for taking the time to put the Ronettes information back in the Hal Blaine article with the cites and NPOV. I had reverted the whole addition in the hopes the editor who originally added it would re-add with the cites, but it was nice of you to do it. hulmem (talk) 04:58, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
- I actually added a different quote and cite but still about the same song. That song's place in R&R history should not have to be cited, but it was not too difficult getting one. I see thqt I first arrived at the page in Aug 2005, a while ago Carptrash (talk) 14:40, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
John Marshall
If Carp wants help (as long as its not one of those invasive species of Asian Carp) then Carp gets help. At least from me. Please take a lookie at Sweetest Heart Of Mary Roman Catholic Church. Best to you. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 15:30, 11 December 2009 (UTC) Stan
- But notwithstanding your roots . . . your lack of fins and gills would seem to be a disqualifying characteristic. And you can jump into my boat anytime your in the area. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 16:43, 11 December 2009 (UTC) Stan
Does your apparent (?) Spier and Rohns edit suggest that you have adopted an alter ego or adopted a pseudonym/nom de plume? 7&6=thirteen (talk) 16:57, 11 December 2009 (UTC) Stan
- I have no ego, much less an altered one. However, yes, I could not resist those references, if that is what you are referring to. Carptrash (talk) 20:11, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
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WHO ARE YOU
--Arsenalfc06 (talk) 01:55, 14 December 2009 (UTC)why did u send me that anyway.
- I'm one of several editors who is going around cleaning up after you, picking up your dirty socks as it were. I think it is time that you did these things for yourself. Carptrash (talk) 04:21, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
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My pleasure...nice to see the article, as I seem to recall seeing his work in one of my books at home. (Either his work or a portrait of him - it's a book of artists' portraits of themselves and other artists from an exhibit at the National Academy of Design.) --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 21:20, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
- OK, the portrait in question doesn't appear to be online (and the more I think of it, the more I think that it was a portrait of him by Reginald Marsh, actually). But there is a photograph on Flickr, from the Archives of American Art, which is of age to be PD. In a little while I'll upload it.
- Which pupil are you writing about? --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 21:35, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
- Well, let me take a look at that catalog this weekend - I might be able to flesh the article out some. It's a very bare-bones thing, but I think it should at least have a list of exhibits and associations to which he belonged. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 03:40, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
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We Could Use Your Help
Hi, I discovered an old comment of yours on a public art article regarding sculpture photo uploads/copyright issues and I thought you might be interested in a new WikiProject that is tackling several of the issues you've been up against. Wikipedia Saves Public Art is spearheaded by two people who are going to be taking Wikipedia's role in public art by storm. During our graduate class to begin this project we came upon many issues regarding derivative works/copyright and more recently the issue of original research in describing conditions of sculptures and utilizing photos as sources. You may be interested in the discussions going on on our talk page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Wikipedia_Saves_Public_Art#Discussion_original_research Thanks! HstryQT (talk) 03:05, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
- Nice to meet you! I'm glad we share a similar interest. While we've made some headway in getting Wikipedia Saves Public Art off the ground and running, clearly there is a lot more to do. One of the things we're assessing now is a state of affairs for public art in WP.
- How many articles are out there?
- How do we get them all together?
- What makes a good article about public art?
- How do we accurately describe the condition of an artwork without it being original research?
- How do we cite an article that doesn't have any verifiable sources, but it clearly an important work of art?
- How do we expand this project globally.
One of the ways that we're exploring the first two points is through this competition.
We're definitely open to your help and support! Thanks! --Richard McCoy (talk) 18:02, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
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Noticed your name at the talk page of the new Death Project - is there anything that you might want to know or anything you might offer in terms of how the project has started? SatuSuro 04:49, 23 December 2009 (UTC) We can find anything via a word or two - there is plenty of time - we have a large project to fill - it still needs lots of gentle slow chekcing through the whole of WP as there are articles and categories thta belong but havnet been linked yet - welcome aboard! doesnt matter if we are slightly askew from your interests - we might help you find things anyways SatuSuro 05:01, 23 December 2009 (UTC) Aha a person of similar condition - pleased to meet - i fit that description as well - a slow and typewriter written explanation shall follow suite by pigeon post along a long thing that a well known australian comedian calls a dog (the internet) - it shall pass as we may sooner than later. SatuSuro 08:11, 23 December 2009 (UTC) Ok - check out what I did with it and if you can get the walking stick out - follow along the track that the category belongs to and where it came, and we're on the way... maybe - categories are not rated btw SatuSuro 08:23, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
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- Carp: I googled the ISBN numbers. You have to eliminate the "-10" or "-13" and the Colon. Easy as pie. You may need to correct the numbers I just through in to the series. I want to make this look different. It's just a f'in list. If we need to we could put in content for each of the books with a reference to a review. Some of our overzealous bot friends want to speedily delete everything. If we intersperse text into this, then we've gotten totally around the claim. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 22:34, 26 December 2009 (UTC) Stan
- Am dropping a note to the bot, saying that the bot is confused, we have improved the article Nancy Atherton, and there is no copyright violation. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 01:09, 27 December 2009 (UTC) Stan
- In addition, one could use templates for biographies of living persons, more biographical information, and compilations of sales (e.g., New York Times best seller lists, etc., to flesh this out. Hope that helps, and the bot goes away. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 01:30, 27 December 2009 (UTC) Stan
- Links to reviews would be good. I put in a link to Library Thing on one of the books. Could do other reviews from other sources. I don't know that each book merits an artile, but it could. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 13:45, 27 December 2009 (UTC) Stan
- In addition, one could use templates for biographies of living persons, more biographical information, and compilations of sales (e.g., New York Times best seller lists, etc., to flesh this out. Hope that helps, and the bot goes away. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 01:30, 27 December 2009 (UTC) Stan
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I was looking at this article because no one had marked it as patrolled; the subject didn't seem notable to me, and my inclination was that it should be redirected to her first husband's article, but in a cursory examination of his page I noticed that it's asserted that she was briefly a Lieutenant-Governor, which would be enough notability for me. However, the Lieutenant-Governor assertion is not in the body of her article, only his. Do you feel like taking on the job of making this article unambiguously notable? (I also note that there are copyvio issues that I haven't looked into but with which you are familiar.) Your comments would be welcome; if you felt like marking the article as patrolled, that would also be welcome (I'm still up in the air about its notability until I see a citation). Accounting4Taste:talk 17:12, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
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What is the blocked IP range? --Orange Mike | Talk 04:52, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
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- Per Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/PoliticianTexas/Archive, that was a block by User:PeterSymonds. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:33, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
It has a long history. In short: a user spammed his genealogy across 100s of WP pages a very long time ago. A lot of that is total, unverifiable & straight-up made-up crap. As it's been sitting there for 6+ years for someone to to do something about it. So today I decided to chainsaw thru most obvious of it. If you can salvage (and properly reference) some of it, please go ahead. Renata (talk) 00:09, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Kewa edit
HI, The reason why I changed it was because this is how they spell it Santo Domingo. I have relatives from there, and I have seen it written so. I don't know if I could source personal experience or not. It's also written this way on the Santo Domingo wikipedia page. Jemez State Monument (talk) 19:22, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
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- Huberto Maestas - Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL
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Origin of photograph; File:LHPolarBear3.jpg
Hi. The Wikimedia Foundation received an e-mail about this image (Ticket:2010011610025557), and I wanted to just clarify with you its origin. Did you photograph this sculpture yourself, or did you scan or photograph this image from the unpublished manuscript Cemetery Sculpture in America? I cannot quite tell from your description, but it seems as though you may be indicating the latter. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:45, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
- Hi. Sorry for not being more clear. :) Those tickets are only viewable by a few individuals, but I was anchoring it in case it was needed for future reference. When talking to an obviously experienced Wikipedia, I presume familiarity with the OTRS system, but I need to remember that the system is still not all that widely publicized. Thanks for clarifying the origin of the image. As I said, I wasn't entirely sure what your description meant.
- The issue at hand concerns its orientation. According to the letter we received, the image is reversed. That does seem to be true, looking at [1] and [2]. Is it possible that your image was flipped? --Moonriddengirl (talk) 18:05, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
- I've flipped it. --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:38, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks, Carptrash and thanks, Tagishsimon. The computer I have now, alas, has a real sparsity of graphics control. :/ (I don't even have Photoshop; I have "Photoshop Elements", which could probably do it but I'm so heartsick at the loss of a real graphics program that I've scarcely touched it. I'll let our correspondent know that she was correct and that the image has been repaired.
- I've flipped it. --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:38, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
- Interesting interview. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 19:13, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
Puebloan Indians - Discussion
I posted there an answer to your post recently and would like you to look there. Thanks. --VM (talk) 14:09, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
Thank you
I appreciate the complement about my article. Michael Kodysz (talk) 14:12, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
"airborne Mayan god"
A wonderful addition! -- LaNaranja (talk) 15:28, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
- No, I saw her at S. H. Kress & Co. I was distracted by the object she's holding, which in Kress context appears to be a giant Tussy Moderne automatic cologne spritzer. -- LaNaranja (talk) 20:41, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
A really neat window and architectural accoutrement.
Carp: Hare and Three hares. I had not encountered this before. Thought you might enjoy that. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 19:44, 27 January 2010 (UTC) Stan
nipped at finish line
@ Art Deco, yes, that edit had to go Bus stop (talk) 04:24, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
zinn quote from wikiquotes
"Capitalism has always been a failure for the lower classes. It is now beginning to fail for the middle classes."
Looks like he was either a communist or an anarchist but since you were nice I tried to change it to socialist before the vandals showed up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Torckey (talk • contribs) 05:20, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
Thanks it looks like the thought police are in full swing here tonight so I'm done for a while. I never thought any of Zinn's fans would deny that he was a socialist or an anarchist. I guess some people really can't handle reality. --Torckey (talk) 05:28, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
PLEASE NOTE
There are two Simon Lazarus the one who wrote about Zinn doesn't have an article (yet). --Torckey (talk) 06:02, 28 January 2010 (UTC)