User talk:TFOWR

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Asterisk schools

How would you feel about me changing the link in the PROD template on those articles from WP:N to this? The latter explicitly mentions schools. Anthony (talk) 23:39, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

No worries at all - I'm taking lots of (sometimes dubious) shortcuts at the moment in the hope that kindly folk such as yourself will step in and make things better ;-) TFOWR 05:56, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

...kindly folk such as Everard Proudfoot (talk · contribs), too - Everard's redirected the two schools I prodded to Comal Independent School District, which strikes me as the best solution. TFOWR 06:40, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for stalking :)

Great comment! Very well put. Ryan Norton 19:08, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

No worries! I guess editors complaining about deleted articles is one thing that hasn't changed?! TFOWR 19:20, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Heh, well they of course did complain sometimes; seems like they complain more now and are encouraged to contact the administrator directly rather then the notice board; a fair more responsibility. I don't mind it, and am used to it for the most part; it has been a really rough past few days getting readjusted to the new climate though. The biggest thing is how liberal the deletion policies are interpreted now, back then I would be considered a "deletionist" (back when those kind of silly labels were popular), now the way CSDs and AFD closures are interpreted are so far to that side that even I find it a huge readjustment. It'll just take a week or two though probably. Ryan Norton 19:53, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, interesting. I tend to delete far more than decline CSDs, though I do make a conscious effort to decline (I try and approach CSDs from a "I will decline unless I absolutely have to delete" standpoint). I wouldn't worry too much about "having" to delete - you'll probably win over a lot more friends if you tend to decline speedies rather than delete. That said, all this is still fairly new to me - and there are CSDs that I won't touch (I don't feel comfortable assessing spam, for example, and A7s I'm struggling with).

I'm OK with editors coming directly to me to discuss my actions; however, (and this falls into adjusting to being a new admin) I am moving towards steering people towards the relevant venue rather than actioning personal requests - no matter how straightforward they appear.

...having said all that, I really am doing very little at the moment! My internet connection is intermittent, and I have a huge amount going on in real-life, so I'm back to talk-page stalking and doing my level best to avoid controversy ;-)

TFOWR 20:07, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

solutions

Hey dude whats the answer? Off2riorob (talk) 21:18, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

42? I'm lost - what was the question?! TFOWR 21:23, 22 July 2010 (UTC) (nice try)

When is Arbcom going to close the great climate change case? Off2riorob (talk) 21:37, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

It's not something I've been following, to be honest, and one thing I've realised recently (WT:BISE) is that I'm not a legal eagle. My go-to editor for arb stuff would be Ncmvocalist (talk · contribs) - I could raise it with them? (Ncmvocalist is - as far as I can tell - uninvolved with this case, so they might be a good bet). TFOWR 21:52, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Ha, yes the British Isles debacle, awful awful awful, keep out of any Admin actions there as well. I have asked the clerk about the CC debacle. Good to see you are on line now. My email settings are shot to bits, I got one going today but I have about eight accounts for this work and that work, tiresome. Today I did some wiki work to find out if people were dead and alive and find a cite and suchlike officially update their passing so to speak, plenty of work there when you need something refreshing. It is awful muggy here and earlier we had a thunderstorm and a great big rainstorm. Off2riorob (talk) 22:01, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Problem user (cont'd)

I see that the problem user who adds the POV link to Indian rupee from before has been at it again, this time posting it as 123.237.156.214 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log). Is it also time to have the link he tries to add to be blacklisted? Or should this case be forwarded to WP:AN/I? - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 22:20, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Aye, I reverted earlier and noticed the latest IP had already been reverted once. It's a persistent blighter, this one! I'm not sure what to do next, to be honest. I'm inclined to wait and possibly protect again (if the IP tries again, which I strongly suspect they will...) However... I'm about to go offline for the night. I'd suggest if the problem user strikes again before I'm back online then raise it at WP:RFPP and I'll do some research in the morning about possible next steps. TFOWR 22:28, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Nothing further seems to have happened, so I'll leave it for now. I do have the article watchlisted, so if "our friend" reappears I'll block or protect as required. This is a very strange thing to be so persistent about...! I think I've mentioned already that I like thge new symbol - and if I like it I'd imagine India is largely happy with it! TFOWR 18:59, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the welcome! I found it a bit tough to navigate around here considering the fact that I'm a part of another wiki site. First, I'm not able to patrol recent changes. I can't find Mark as Patrolled tab. Could you help me out? FlameHill (talk) 11:32, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

No worries, and good to see another editor working on Oman - there only seem to be two regulars and we're both more active elsewhere.

Regarding "mark as patrolled", the only time I see this is when I arrive at a page via Special:NewPages. I'd recommend reading Wikipedia:New pages patrol first, as it's possible (likely, in fact - Wikipedia seems to have all sorts of arcane rules and guidelines all of its own!) that patrolling has different requirements.

You've probably already encountered Special:RecentChanges: typically that's for detecting vandalism, but copy-editing is always useful. As far as I know there's no "mark as patrolled" for recent changes - simply undo any vandalism or leave the page as it is.

Hope that helps! Don't hesitate to ask me anything else. If I'm not around my talkpage has numerous friendly stalkers who will help instead.

TFOWR 11:41, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Fancy a beer

New worlds strongest Scottish beer Off2riorob (talk) 12:25, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Get stuffed ;-) I'm guessing selling it inside stuffed animals adds to the price - but I'm guessing at £500 a bottle the stuffed animals don't add that much to the price...

I checked the article to see if I was remembering right - I think I am - but they made "Sink the Bismarck" (only 41%...), and I seem to remember they were competing with a German company for World's Strongest/silliest beer... hence "Sink the Bismarck" (the German company has one roughly as strong, and called something like "Kilt-wearing Haggis-eaters suck" (maybe not exactly that, but in a similar vein...))

...but to answer your question: aye! Something a little weaker, though, and definitely not served out of a dead stoat!

While you're here, what's your executive summary on our BLP Viscount? I looked at it last night, but only enough to get a feel for arcane constitutional law as it relates to Viscounts... my gut feeling is that the Salt Lake Tribune and the Guardian are making too much of this, and it's a non-issue as far as the article is concerned...

TFOWR 13:10, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

A dead stoat, come on your not a vegetarian are you? get it down ya big sissie. Off2riorob (talk) 14:04, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

The viscount, lord, my thinking is that it deserves a bit more looking at and if he is going round asserting something that is not quite correct and telling that to the USA house of representatives then it is something worthy of addition, in a well written and well sourced way, I think really it is also a matter of interpretation of the adjustments which I saw you investigate anf post the alterations. Looks like hair splitting to me though. Off2riorob (talk) 14:08, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

It's just I'm kinda conservative when it comes to beer - I like it served in a pint glass!

After my comment above I realised Jimbo had commented since I posted last night - I keep find myself on the same side as Jimbo, despite my recent comment in an RfA... I kind of think it's ad hominem ("if he lied about that, what else is he lying about?") but, as you say, it's something he's said to the House of Representatives... it's not like an off-the-cuff comment to a tabloid journalist. TFOWR 14:12, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, the project has I think a life of its own now but I think Jimmy has an insight, as founder, of the beneficial directions to nudge the project in and as such imo his comments are valuable and insightful. Off2riorob (talk) 14:27, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

I'll be in the pub tonight. Rob, any idea where I can find this beer and do they sell it on draught. I have a hell of a thirst on me after seeing that. Anyway, I'm off to my local, the stoat and squirral. :) Jack 1314 (talk) 14:21, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

I was curious, too - apparently they've only made twelve bottles... seems a shame: despite the price I reckon they'd find punters willing to pay that. A little out of my price range, but I can imagine people I know seriously considering it... TFOWR 14:24, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

He, stuffing your stoats and squirrels with strong beer, is that allowed, it must be..strange days indeed. Its 5oo pounds a bottle, they are aving a laugh. Your better of with a gallon of Stella. Off2riorob (talk) 14:27, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

I would almost prefer a Pan-Galactic Gargle Blaster ;-) (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 14:28, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

At 55%, I think both would be "like having your brain smashed out by a slice of lemon wrapped round a large gold brick". Though I'm inclining toward the PGGB... or a nice Jynnan tonnyx! TFOWR 14:36, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Pole-ish dancing

I would like a taste though, last week I was on a stag night with a lot of Polish people and we went to a Vodka bar and that was when the dancing started. Off2riorob (talk) 14:39, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Me too. At £500 a bottle it's comparable to an expensive Scotch, so one option would be to do what the expensive Scotch drinkers do, and pool their money to buy a bottle. You could buy a "dram" in a pub - 25ml for £50, the pub would double their money on a 500ml bottle. And while I'm not one of them, I do know folk who have paid over £50 for a dram... I reckon after drinking a bottle you wouldn't be dancing though... you'd be struggling to dial "999" ;-) TFOWR 14:46, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

You could tell your other half you were only going out for a few beers and stagger back pissed out of your head. You wouldn't be lying to them so no guilt involved. perfect! Jack 1314 (talk) 14:42, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

What kind of dancing was this then, Rob? Some kind of Polish thing was it? Jack 1314 (talk) 14:44, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Innocent... and were any Northern Scandinavians involved later on? TFOWR 14:47, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Lap. Not dancing.

"But... but... I never even finished me pint!" TFOWR 14:47, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Can't recall many Scandinavian people, last thing I remember is getting into a big yellow car driven by a man from Bangladesh. ? Off2riorob (talk) 16:48, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Just so long as you were paying him to take you home, and not to let you sit on his lap! ;-) TFOWR 16:53, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

• Are you busy? Off2riorob (talk) 17:57, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
  •  Done I'd normally start off at 1 week semi or 1 month PC1, and since there was no history of protection here that's what I did. Probably a little conservative - it's a BLP - but I'll cheerfully re-PC1 in a month's time if it's warranted. TFOWR 18:05, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
• Thank you from me and my friend User:BOLLYWOOD DREAMZ - Off2riorob (talk) 18:08, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

The Clocktower Gallery

Hello TFOWR,

I recently created a blank page for The Clocktower Gallery so that I could redirect it to the Art International Radio page; Art International Radio is home to the Clocktower Gallery, something I -- and I believe many other people -- was confused by until I went to take a visit. I went about this the wrong way, though: I didn't realize that you couldn't just create a blank page for this purpose. How, then, should I redirect from the Clocktower Gallery to Art International Radio? Is there no need, if there isn't already a page? I think it may be helpful to people, though. Should I just copy-paste the Art International Radio page into the Clocktower Gallery page and then redirect it back to the Art International Radio page, or would that constitute plagiarism? ;)

Thanks for your help, and your advice!

Pgiotto (talk) 16:34, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

 Done here ;-)

See WP:REDIRECT for detailed instructions, but basically you start a new page, which consists of one line - like this:

#REDIRECT [[Art International Radio#Clocktower Gallery History]]

The part between the "[[" and the "#" is the name of the article, and the (optional) part from the "#" to the "]]" is the section within the article.

I called the redirect "Clocktower Gallery" - that should work for anyone searching for "The Clocktower Gallery".

If you want to modify the redirect, go to Clocktower Gallery, wait to be redirected to Art International Radio#Clocktower Gallery History, go to the top of the article, click on the "redirected from Clocktower Gallery" link, then edit the redirect page.

Hope that helps! TFOWR 16:45, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks so much, TFOWR! That's really kind of you. It's greatly appreciated! Pgiotto (talk) 17:09, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Talkback Raul Gonzales

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Oh noes!

[1] That extra two minutes just may be the tipping point ya know?  :) Jmlk17 19:14, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

I won't be offended if you wheel war to restore your original duration! ;-) Strange, I assumed I wouldn't be able to do that, it's not something I've encountered before... oh well! TFOWR 19:17, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

I'll take a raincheck on the wheel war... maybe next time! Keep up the great work as always though. Jmlk17 19:37, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

anchor

I attached (Climate Change BLP) to the title a couple of days ago, people need tokoow it is yet another disrupted CC blp, if someone wants to anchor it down they are welcome, but there are no broken incoming links anyway at least not of any importance. Off2riorob (talk) 19:19, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

No worries (and I thought it'd been there for as long as I remember - but I got involved late). My thinking was purely to stop you and/or ChrisO doing something <ahem> risky ;-) TFOWR 19:23, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

There are broken incoming links from the history and the watchlist. Just use the {{anchor}} template whenever you change a header. –xeno^talk 19:24, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

RE: Message

I had left a TY message for C. I removed it because I am now getting personal emails from the stalker SRQ, a banned editor. Because of her medical condition, her fixation could continue ad infinitum. So, I try to leave no ammunition. I appreciate, as always, your vigilance! TY! Feel free to remove this when read. BTW, you are not paranoid if they are REALLY out to get you! ;;-) DocOfSoc (talk) 08:49, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Hi DocOfSoc. Are the emails coming through Wikipedia, or did SRQ somehow find out your email address? (You had mentioned before that SRQ had emailed you, around the time I deleted a particularly nasty edit SRQ made to your userpage). If they are coming through WIkipedia's "email user" facility, I'd recommend disabling it. If they are coming direct to your email address it may be that someone could use the emails to identify SRQ... so don't delete them (stick them in a folder where you don't have to put up with them). It may be possible to make a complaint to SRQ's internet service provider.

Incidentally, I've had an item on my to-do list for a while: check WP:LTA and add SRQ if they are not already on it. I guess I should get off my backside and do that now!

Apologies for the bad language (even if it is in Latin!) but... Illegitimi non carborundum ;-)

I hope you're watching my talkpage: I don't want to give SRQ any satisfaction by posting on your talkpage, but if you haven't replied here in the next hour or so I'll drop a {{talkback}} on your talkpage.

TFOWR 08:57, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

I have got my eye on you! ;-) I have removed my email from Wiki but because of other affiliations it is easily obtained on internet. The "Maiden" agrees with your Latin and is working on it. Will go to LTA right now. TY again. Namaste....DocOfSoc (talk) 09:28, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Off topic (unrelated to SRQ), but "namaste"? - none of my business, but are you a Lost fan? I <ahem> worked for the Dharma Initiative for three years in the 1970s ...! TFOWR 09:33, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

I spent three glorious weeks in India representing the U.S. in a World Conference for Girl Guides/Scouts. One of the most amazing times of my life. And no, I am not "Lost" LOL. Have bookmarked the suggested link for later. Namaste 09:44, 24 July 2010 (UTC)DocOfSoc (talk)

Ah! I knew sooner or later I'd encounter someone using the word correctly! I've never been to India (except for a brief stop at an airport in the late 1970s, which I really can't remember!), but my sister has several times and says its amazing. I also seem to be editing quite a lot of India-related articles at the moment... not sure how or why?! TFOWR 09:47, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

User talk:MoiraMoira

The user isn't leaving her alone, even after your warning. I'm inclined to revert Faust's edits per Moi's request, but I'm not quite sure. So, since your warn, and the following disregard for that warning, could you perhaps do something?— Dædαlus ^Contribs 09:23, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm discussing it with them, so I'll hold for the moment (I'm assuming they posted to MoiraMoira's talkpage before receiving my message). TFOWR 09:24, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

But your message was on her talk page before he posted that tl;dr bit, especially after -she- told him to leave her alone. Should I revert?— Dædαlus ^Contribs 09:38, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

I'd still recommend holding off for now - there don't seem to be any further posts to her talk page, so leave it to MoiraMoira to decide whether to remove or reply. I'm going to suggest to Faust that if they have an issue with MoiraMoira that pertains to en.wiki then they either post here (or let another admin know) or raise it at ANI (ideally within the existing thread). TFOWR 09:50, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

And now they are reverting me on my own talk page. A block is in order, perhaps?— Dædαlus ^Contribs 10:46, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

I've issued a final warning: Faust's behaviour is now disruptive. TFOWR 11:09, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Talkback Faust

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Query

I do not understand what you are saying to me on my talk page. I thought it was mandated to contact the user first before launching formal complaints? I have done so and I have honored the request of the user on the issue raised previously. Please advise on how to deal wityh that situation since what you are saying and what the wiki guidelines say are in conflict. --Faust (talk) 10:26, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

You have contacted the user, they have requested that you stop posting on their talkpage. I do not see how there is any conflict between the guidelines and the request that you do not post again on their talkpage. TFOWR 10:29, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Hello TFOWR, the conflict is that theuser in question has made serious enough transgression to warrant admin interference. That is why I have made more attempts to discuss matters with the user. Since any issue that will be brought under the attention of the admins must first be talked over with the user in question on the users talk page it seems that there is a conflict in conduct. Besides that, I would like to ask you to help me out. Apparently I makeing silly mistakes, judging from your remark: "Since my post above I've also had to warn Faust about reverting Daedalus969 on Daedalus969's own talkpage." I merely wanted to alert him to my response to his remark on my talk page. So, I undid his undo of my talkback. I didn't think that would be a problem. Could you please inform me what other things I should keep in mind? --Faust (talk) 17:29, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Well, this is a contributory encyclopedia, you appear to have been here a month and have one hundred and fifty edits, only five percent of which are to articles. Off2riorob (talk) 17:35, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

OK, regarding the talkpage thing I assumed you simply didn't know, which is why I warned you rather than doing anything else. Have a read of WP:REMOVED (the entire page is probably a useful read).

Help:Contents is a good starting point - I don't know what you don't know (!) so I can't be much more specific than that. I would say, however, that if it's obvious you're making an effort to learn and get along with other editors then people will be far more ready to accept any small problems.

Turning to MoiraMoira, what is the problem? I realise you've posted on her talkpage, but I'd suggest starting afresh here. State what the problem is (keep it short, and make sure you're only referring to issues that took place here, on en.wiki). I'll do my best to help, though that may consist of referring you to a dispute resolution noticeboard.

TFOWR 17:37, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Hi TFOWR, I am unclear what the problem is. I do know that I have had some problems with her, JZ85 and Theobald in the past (you know where), but to me that was not relevant. The only thing I tried to stipulate is that the way JZ85 was trying to influence the admin in another issue. That is immoral (in the narrow sense) behavior. Everybody wants an impartial judge. Previous offenses are only looked at in regards to the punishment, not in regards to if a punishment is needed. JZ85 tried to motivate a punishment on the basis of previous transgressions. Since his motivation was also based on transgressions made on nl.wiki, I decided to talk to him about that. So far so good, I never expected him to actually listen or do anything with that remark. The fact that MoiraMoira support him by saying he is such a good admin and colleague (on the nl.wiki!)seemed a bit strange in this situation, so I decided to ask her to stay out of it, in the off chance that he might remember it. Since I had responded to JZ85's remark concerning history on the nl.wiki MoiraMoira decided that I had transferred these issues here. This is not the case. That is why I contacted MoiraMoira again, pointing out that it was JZ85 who did so. MoiraMoira subsequently stated her desire to see me blocked, so I decided to point out where she herself had brought issues from the nl.wiki to the discussion (3 occurrences by the way). Seeing as at that time she had also tried to get an admin to respond in a bias manner in light of her POV I decided to give her the same lecture I had given JZ85. In the mean time MoiraMoira had asked me not to make use of her talk page any more, but since new transgressions on her part had occurred I decided to make new partitions on her talk page. This then caught your eye, escalating the entire situation. So, I have no problem with MoiraMoira, but she insists to interfere in matters that I am involved in, on the basis of her POV, which she obtained on nl.wiki. All my communications to her have been attempts to reason with her, but I have not had a response that hinted on her sympathizing with my objections to her behavior.

It might be that I am doing stupid things. I have not been here (nor on the nl.wiki) for long. However, I have made great efforts to learn the rules (my quoting the wiki guidelines, my question here and my attempts to keep up the assumption of good intentions should be able to vouch for that). I have learned these rules the hard way: while I was under attack by these users (yes, that was on the nl.wiki). My experience is that at no time any of these users have assumed my good intentions. I will stop here because I will cross the border of the en.wiki very far.

NOTE: The issue I first contacted JZ85 on was not my own and I did not even know he had an account here as well. That was a coincidence. I assumed that we could communicate without the baggage of the nl.wiki. By now I am having great difficulties with seeing the two situations as separate issues.

--Faust (talk) 18:21, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

p.s. From my perspective this case is done. I have absolutely no stake in this, apart from getting these users to play nice where they are not. A dispute resolution board seems superfluous from that perspective.

p.p.s. Thank you for the directions. I will look in to it shortly.

Trust

N.P. I trusted my Shaman would take care of that. Gratitude abounds! DocOfSoc (talk) 11:51, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

No worries! I'm keen to avoid giving any satisfaction to this former editor, so operating invisibly (via email) seems the way to go. Just my opinion, so I won't revert you again if yuo disagree with me. TFOWR 11:54, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

No disagreement whatsoever. You have blanket privileges ;-) DocOfSoc (talk) 11:58, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Whuh? You two are sharing blankets now? LOL (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 12:01, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

 ;-) TFOWR 12:03, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Cozy! Room for one more? sonia^♫♪ 12:11, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Always! Though at this point I'll need to speak to Davtra and see if they have {{=)|blushing even more}} template! TFOWR 12:13, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

I feel like a voyeur or something...I feel so dirty *snicker* (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 12:16, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

*beckons* You can always hop in, instead of just watching from out in the cold... sonia^♫♪ 12:19, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Oh, Sonia, while you're here - when is the composer of the world's best national anthem going to hit DYK? I hope I haven't missed it... TFOWR 12:20, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Blanket Permission! Such MINDS! LOL DocOfSoc (talk) 12:24, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

No idea. It's waiting, but as this is my first DYK (and first proper article!), I don't know how the system works. I'm suitably proud of myself for getting that far. *yawns* 12.27am... can I stay here for the night? *snuggles in* sonia^♫♪ 12:28, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Oops, sorry, it was warm and cozy and I drifted off! ;-)

Aye, I had my first ITN the other day - somewhat shocking, but I've not been the content creator I thought I would be. I've got a few ideas for new articles in the pipeline, but I doubt they'll reach DYK. TFOWR 15:18, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

lay lady lay

Hey good afternoon to yu. What happened at that small section you added to Brown, it now appears to be uncited? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Brown#Global_recession was it always uncited, anyways an IP has resented a cite on the talkpage but it doesn't cover all the facts... Off2riorob (talk) 15:54, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Afternoon! Fairly sure it was cited - I basically copied it from an existing article (forget which one, but the whole process will be in GB's talk archive - I posted it on talk before adding it to the article). Give me a minute and I'll dig it out. TFOWR 16:25, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Dammit, I've just trawled through 4 of the 5 archives. Eventually found it on the current talk page: Talk:Gordon Brown#Edit request 22nd May More in-depth coverage of Brown's Premiership?. Uncited... :-( Was that the bit you were thinking of? Of not, I'll delete this post and pretend this never happened ;-) If so, there will be cites at Premiership of Gordon Brown. I'd suggest I should add them, to atone for my sins. But I'll cheerfully let you or the IP fix my mistakes...! TFOWR 16:36, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

It seems to have got added uncited...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gordon_Brown#Edit_request_22nd_May_More_in-depth_coverage_of_Brown.27s_Premiership.3F was the discussion , it seems to have now gone from Premiership_of_Gordon_Brown and is also not really at 2008_United_Kingdom_bank_rescue_package ... there has been a cite placed on the Brown talkpage (that is what set this off) and it is a good one but doesn't cover the car scrapping and has different figures..I think it may need a bit of tweaking and a couple of citations... hmmm.. shall we do it later.. it is standard pretty indisputable stuff, no worries. Off2riorob (talk) 16:39, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

I will look at it later, let me do it TFOWR, better with my broadband. Off2riorob (talk) 16:41, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks. I'm tempted to say it'll be cited at Premiership, at the point in time when I stole it, but obviously my memory can't be trusted... anyway, thanks for the "your broadband" offer - my 3G is shite, and drops off half way through anything important (and only during important things - I'm scared to block/protect/delete at the moment because I'll lose me connection before completion...) TFOWR 16:45, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

My pleasure, it is not desperate anyways, I'll just put it on my list and do it in the next day or two. There is so much work round here it is un bloody believable, and that is something we need to consider when the community ends up rejecting good contributors with perhaps what is only minor relating or civility issues or perhaps just someone you have come to dislike because they support a differing position to you...we need experienced contributors should be high on our list of considerations. (thinking oot loud)Off2riorob (talk) 16:51, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

True, on both counts (I have two sandboxes waiting for enough time to finish them off - both dead short, one mostly done, the other done apart from the actual writing...) Re: rejecting good contributors: aye. We're too quick to reach for blocks and bans - and as someone who's been quick to agree to bans it's something I'm mindful of. Truthkeeper88 mentioned it before my RfA: we worry about fairly trivial things, and ban people, while much more serious things go on and nothing happens. Also thinking aloud! TFOWR 16:58, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Yea, respect, to change the whole you start with yourself...haha..ow dear I have swallowed a peace and love pill by mistake. Off2riorob (talk) 17:01, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

(You'll have to imagine me making the "peace" symbol with my fingers...)

Peace and WikiLove, brother! TFOWR 17:06, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Your signing

You should consider linking also to your user page (User:TFOWR). Do something like this: TFOWR

/HeyMid (contributions) 18:12, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

I used to - I stopped after my RfA because I figured the most important thing for other editors was to be able to talk to me. I do link to my userpage from my talkpage, and I have thought about changing my signature (much as you suggest), but on the whole I'm happy to keep my talkpage as the main focus and leave the userpage as an "Easter egg"! TFOWR 18:19, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

For helping here [2], and for your excellent explanation. I've noticed an entire school of contributions devoted to unsourced and vandalism of soap opera actors and plots....usually I run in the other direction. JNW (talk) 18:16, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

No worries! I felt it had to be a lengthy explanation for the block, partly for them, and partly for whoever comes after you and me... it'll help other editors understand (a) this editor's behaviour, and (b) why I jumped from a 48-hour block straight to 2 weeks. Anyway - hope it helps, and if it doesn't let me know in 2-3 weeks time and I'll have "another word" with them ;-) TFOWR 18:21, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Will you lot frikking stop it

Use any fooking method you want to test this. I am an open book. I am not Light Current. What I am is very very very pissed off and I just don't even understand what makes you tick. Do you feel a bigger man doing all this blocking? You're not. You're very small men.

Heck at this point I'll even settle without an apology. Just accept I ain't a sock and let me banter with bugs. 217.41.226.121 (talk) 18:42, 24 July 2010 (UTC)