Talk:Balochistan, Pakistan

but this article is not about all Pakistani Balochistan? It's only about the province as the map shows? Tobias Conradi (Talk) 15:21, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Huh? It's about all of Pakistani Balochistan. However, for the article on the region of Balochistan, which is currently part of Iran, Afghanistan, and Pakistan, see Balochistan. --Hottentot

first sentence says other thing: The province of Balochistan (or Baluchistan) of Pakistan contains roughly the part of Balochistan that falls within the borders of present-day Pakistan --Tobias Conradi (Talk) 19:05, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Infobox changed

There is no point having separate infoboxes for each province of Pakistan when they display the same information. I've replaced the Template:Baloch-infobox with a generic one for all provinces. Green Giant 00:16, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

the point of having an info box is that a person could see the key information about a region, country or province at a glance --111.68.96.117 (talk) 05:46, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

The infobox was claiming that Balochistan is a separate country. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.36.125.128 (talk) 05:36, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Other than the country field being messed up, the infobox seemed to be correct and appropriate, so I readded it and fixed the country field. AtticusX (talk) 12:29, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

The flag is wrong. This is the correct one: http://www.crwflags.com/FOTW/images/p/pk-bal.gif —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.142.109.151 (talk) 09:05, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Elamo-Dravidian

Guys, This Elamo-Dravidian connection hasnt even been proven by most scholars, so we cannot speak so assuringly of this theory as if these people did exist and this connection between the Dravidians and the Elamites is true! This is not a fact so stop speaking like it is one! A better substitute would be Dravidian and Indo-Iranian tribes. I'm no Hindu Nationalist, by the way, trying to disprove foreign connections. I support the Aryan Migration as not just a theory but fact and many scholars in Dravidian languages themselves doubt the Elamo-Dravidian hypothesis. -User: Afghan Historian

I agree, I dont why in several articles the Elamo-dravidian pov is stated as fact, when in fact, the Brahui language consists of an estimate 85% Iranic language based vocabulary. It seems several indian contributors and spammers are adamant that this ethnic group of Iran,Pakistan and Afghanistan be protrayed as Dravidian in some form or another. The article needs to be unbiased and not lend itself to promoting unproven theories.

Baluchistan resistance surrenders

just run into that article on Al Jazeera, was doing research, should this be added? http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/B5FBCC54-A80E-434F-94C7-369F79CBE8BD.htm --Tigry 20:34, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Map

A map is sorely needed in this article. – Quadell ^{(talk) (bounties)} 20:38, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

My tribe is older than yours

Brahui people#Origins, geography, and demographics says:

“There are two main theories regarding the Brahui that have been proposed by academics. One theory is that they are an ancient hold-over of some sort of indeterminate Elamo-Dravidian origin that descended from the people of the Indus Valley civilization. Another theory is that they are migrants from northern India who arrived in the region either before the Aryan invasion, but probably before the Baloch.” (emphasis mine)

This article says:

“Aryan invasions appear to have led to the eventual demise of the Elamo-Dravidian with the exception of the Brahui who may have arrived much later as did the Balochis themselves.”

Should the “may have arrived” part in the last sentence be changed, if it was probably – as the Brahui article says – not that way? I don't feel qualified to make a decision since I know next to nothing about regional ethnic history. 11:21, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Genotype

Three is a debate over Semitic vs Dravadian origin of the Baloch people. According to this study, http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1181978, 39% of the Makrani people have Sub-Saharan mt-DNA African lineages. I quote: "Our results contrast with the Makrani Y-chromosome profile, which is similar to that of other Pakistani populations and is dominated by western Eurasian lineages (Qamar et al. 2002). The sub-Saharan African male-specific contribution, represented primarily by Hg E-M2, occurred at only 9% in the Makrani and is also present in neighboring populations, although at a lower prevalence (2%–4%). We estimated the maternal and paternal contributions of sub-Saharan Africans to the current Makrani gene pool, using information from all haplogroups, at 12% (±7%) for the Y chromosome and 40% (±9%) for the mtDNA. These findings must be interpreted in the light of known historical data. Forced migration from Africa began in the 7th century and increased considerably during the Omani Empire. The latter formed a strong slave-trade connection between the Makran port of Gwadar, the principal ports of Oman, and ports located in East Africa, including Mozambique (Clarence-Smith 1989; Sultana 1995). In the 16th and 17th centuries, the Portuguese also traded between Mozambique and southwestern Asia. The African component in the Makrani community may therefore represent the genetic legacy of this slave trade. Whereas the Atlantic slave trade dealt mainly with male labor, the East African slave trade seemingly favored females over males (Lovejoy 2000). Slave women were mainly domestics and/or concubines, and children fathered by the master were freed. In addition, strong cultural barriers hindered male slaves from fathering children, a situation exacerbated by the proportion of slaves imported as eunuchs (Lovejoy 2000). As a consequence of these practices, the contribution of paternal African genes to the population is expected to be low. Indeed, the contrast between male and female African contributions observed among the Makrani strongly supports historical records of a female sex bias during the East African slave trade. Other factors, such as asymmetrical mating patterns between African women and autochthonous males during the process of genetic admixture, and/or unequal reproductive success among Makrani males, might have accelerated the loss of African Y chromosomes from the population. In this context, a similar pattern has been reported recently in the Yemeni Hadramawt population (Richards et al. 2003), geographically adjacent to East Africa, where the African maternal contribution has also been interpreted as the result of the East African slave trade. Our data not only confirm a female-biased slave trade towards the East but also show that this pattern, which includes differential mating patterns between the sexes, extended to the eastern limits of the East African slave trade."

Islamic conquest of Baluchistan

Baluchistan was the fisrt region of Pakistan or sub continent to be conqured by the Rashidun Caliphs, many few people know about it except for some good historians. From a nice source book i have composed an article of islamic conquest of Baluchistan, during the regin of 3 rashidun caliphs Umar, Uthman and Ali. and a brief account of withdrawal of islamic forces from baluchistan during mauwyiah's reign and reconquest of it during latter umayyad caliphs reign.

Mohammad Adil 05:59, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Famous people

Just how famous are the famous people listed near the end of this article? Many of them appear to be junior ministers in the regional government. The separate articles with their biographies are very short, quite badly written, and lack sources. Can something be done about this? AlexTiefling (talk) 10:44, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

I think lists like these and the ones about colleges, industrial estates etc. are not relevant and should be removed. Only a few notable people (if they have someone) like Imran Khan,Jansher Khan,...etc. may be noted, and that too in the paragraphs, not in a list.Civilizededucation (talk) 03:02, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Atrociously written

This article needs a lot of work. I have found numerous sentences in this article that just do not seem to make sense. For example:

• Much of the province south of the Quetta region is sparse desert terrain with pockets of towns mostly near rivers and streams. Does this mean sparsely populated? Sparsely covered with vegetation? What?

• Quetta, the capital of the province, has a Hazara, Pashtun majority with Baloch, and Punjabi minorities.

• The main license (EL5) is held jointly by the Government of Balochistan (25%), Antofagasta Minerals (37.5%) and Barrick Gold (37.5%).

• They claim it was a nomad cultural thing which has been stopped for many years but because of the poor administration of Pakistani government and to dimilise the Baloch awareness such act are taken place.

• Aryan invasions appear to likely they are an Iranian group who have possibly absorbed Arab ancestry and cultural traits instead, it is also believed that Baloch are of Arab blood, it could be they left the Arab world when Iraq broke from Persia in 652 AD and there is historical evidence that suggests they lived in (Khuzestan) and (Bushehr) before moving to Kerman and Hormozgan.

--Filll (talk | wpc) 16:30, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed

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Number of Districts

A recent conference in Islamabad put the number of districts at 30... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.163.95.155 (talk) 05:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Cities

The intro paragraph makes it sound like the capital is the only city in this region, but there is an entire section of this article listing important cities of this region. I am not familiar with the geography of this area but it seems that these two statements are conflicting and a remedy is needed for agreement.165.112.61.190 (talk) 16:21, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Demographics

This article says that "8% of the population are Panjabi, Persian" which is obviously incorrect even from just a perusal of the rest of the article. Most of the population is Balochi (whose language is related to Farsi), and many of the rest are Brahui (who speak a Dravidian language). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.114.162.215 (talk) 20:07, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

kamalan balochistan ka shaer ka foot how geya

kamalan balochistan ka shaer ka foot how geya —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.185.75.103 (talk) 09:49, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Is Chaudhry Yaqoob Notable

Is Chaudhry Yaqoob Notable enough for the list of notable people? Blackash (talk) 01:42, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

population

something is wrong here

>Balochistan has a population of around 12 million inhabitants, which makes up approximately 5% of the Pakistani population. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.201.229.21 (talk) 18:04, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

You're right, something was wrong. 12 million was an inflated figure unsupported by any of the sources cited. The 1998 census (Pakistan's most recent census) put Balochistan's population at 6,565,885. Britannica gives a 2003 estimate of 7,450,000. The World Bank, quoting Pakistan's National Institute of Population Studies (NIPS), gives an estimate of 7.8 million for the year 2005. I have updated the article to reflect these figures. Those are the most reliable sources I could find. At its current growth rate, which is actually slowing down, Balochistan's population is not expected to reach 12 million until well after the year 2025.

Thanks for drawing attention to the error. AtticusX (talk) 15:25, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Move. Jafeluv (talk) 08:43, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

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Balochistan (Pakistan) → Balochistan, Pakistan — - articles should have the simplest name possible, which in this case requires disambiguation from other existing Balochistans. However, the parentheses are unnnecessary. Green Giant (talk) 04:19, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

• I don't care about the move but isn't the use of a comma with placenames an Americanism? — AjaxSmack 23:27, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
• Support No, it's our normal method of disambiguating for place names, as set out in Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names). In fact, disambiguating places by parentheses is deprecated. Skinsmoke (talk) 06:51, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

editing in Notable

Its appreciate the edit of the names of the less Notables from the lis of notables, but I have chacked that all the removed names wrer not less notables. I therefore undo the edit, please make sure that the edit is really for less notables, Thanks--116.58.3.6 (talk) 08:56, 11 August 2010 (UTC)