Talk:Pope John Paul II

Beatification

Please add extended info on the beatification ceremony not just to this page, but here: Beatification and canonisation of Pope John Paul II#Ceremony. Thanks! - Yk (talk | contrib) 16:46, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Hold on for a few hours for the ceremony to actually occur; then I think you'll get your wish. Cresix (talk) 16:48, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Actually I was making a note to editors not to forget about that page. But thanks. Yk (talk | contrib) 17:05, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Please relink the "beatified" link on the third paragraph of the first part of the article to the article "Beatification and canonisation of Pope John Paul II". Thanks. Sam Sanchez (talk) 08:57, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Please change the beginning paragraph to "Pope John Paul II [...] known as Blessed John Paul since his Beatification on May 1, 2011 [...] so as to conform with the style used on the page for Blessed John XXIII. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.61.189.124 (talk) 14:12, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Please update footnote no. 33 (retreived on 2011-01-14) with more recent references published during or after the beatification such as http://www.romereports.com/palio/John-Paul-II-is-officially-beatified-english-4027.html , http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13251415 , or http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/01/pope-john-paul-ii-declared-blessed-before-huge-crowds/. Thank you Wikigreg1978 (talk) 07:03, 2 May 2011 (UTC) Greg

If this is done, please use the BBC reference. I'd question the inclusion of the other two, under RS, no offense intended to the poster. If we have a solid source, blogs/etc should not be used. 204.65.34.246 (talk) 22:24, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi Anonymous Poster with IP 204.65.34.246, thank you for your comment wherein in you agree with me to update the references to footnote no. 33 and you suggest that we use BBC as I have proposed. Please note that the two other links can also be used as objective references as they do not appear to be mere personal blogs considering that one reference is from the romereports.com and the other one is from cnn.com (i.e., the second one appears to have been posted by CNN editors although the hyperlink is "religion dot blogs" dot cnn dot com. Thank you. Wikigreg1978 (talk) 11:34, 24 May 2011 (UTC) Greg

Blessed

Shouldn't the word blessed be excluded from the lead per WP:HONORIFIC? -- Mufka ^{(u) (t) (c)} 22:23, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

That's a guideline (not necessarily binding), and there is some flexibility. It states "Where an honorific is so commonly attached to a name that the name is rarely found without it, it should be included". It has been customary to use "Saint", "Blessed", and "Venerable" on Wikipedia. Cresix (talk) 22:36, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

I deleted blessed from the top image's heading, per WP:RECENTISM. See Pope John XXIII for further explanation. GoodDay (talk) 13:11, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

There seems to be some back and forth on this issue. Is there consensus that the first word of the lede should not be "Blessed" ? JoeSperrazza (talk) 01:19, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

The Planet Is Alive...Let it Live!

Where should I put this? In the Pop culture or bibliography sec?

"In 1984 Jazz singer Sarah Vaughan recorded an album of poetry written by John Paul II, translated from Polish by Gene Lees. The album was released as The Planet Is Alive...Let it Live!, and accompanied by a television special." Gareth E Kegg (talk) 23:32, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Citations in lead

There is a crazy number of citations in the lead - up to six for each short statement! If the information in the lead is contained and sourced in the article itself, there is no reason to have any citations in the lead. In any event, no fact needs more than one citation except in the rare event that it is a complex statement where no one source contains all the information. Scolaire (talk) 12:06, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

I will take silence for agreement. I am going to be bold and remove all the citations. If anybody feels that some or all of them ought to be added in the body of the article, they can all be found here. --Scolaire (talk) 07:57, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Error in the First Paragraph... I will Correct and Explain

One passage in the first paragraph states that John Paul II "reigned as Pope of the Catholic Church and Sovereign of The Holy See from 16 October 1978 until his death."

The Holy See, as the wikipedia article on it explains, is the episcopal jurisdiction of the Catholic Church in Rome. As such, it is not the same thing as "Vatican City", which is an independent state with the pope as its ruler.

It's academically sloppy and embarrassingly imprecise to call the pope "Sovereign of the Holy See." As pope, he is the bishop of the Holy See, and also the sovereign of Vatican City.

To conflate or confuse the Holy See with Vatican City is inaccurate, as is conflating the pope's role as bishop of Rome with his job as monarch/ruler of the smallest state in the world.

Clearly the sentence in the intro means to refer to Vatican City, not just because of the word "sovereign" which is not an ecclesiastical term, but more obviously because the link itself leads to the page on Vatican City, not the page on the Holy See.

Thus the words themselves should be changed to "Vatican City". I made this edit earlier this year, not anticipating that I would have to explain a distinction that wikipedia itself already overtly acknowledges.

65.24.115.90 (talk) 11:56, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

UPDATE: Also, I just noticed that the article on Pope Benedict XVI does indeed refer to him as "Sovereign of Vatican City State." So for consistency's sake as well, it made no sense to call John Paul II "Sovereign of the Holy See."

65.24.115.90 (talk) 12:24, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Places named after Pope John Paul II

Hello. Could someone write that there is Jono Pauliaus II aikštė (square) in Vilnius, in front of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Peter_and_St._Paul%27s_Church,_Vilnius after Pope's visit in Lithuania. Also, there is Jono Pauliaus II gimnazija (gymnasium) in western Vilnius (http://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vilniaus_Jono_Pauliaus_II_gimnazija) and elementary school http://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vilniaus_Jono_Pauliaus_II_pagrindin%C4%97_mokykla --86.100.205.18 (talk) 18:00, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Hi, I think the information you refer to would be best placed in the List of places named after Pope John Paul II article.

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Marek.69 ^talk 22:01, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Some additional information about Karol Woytyla

From Murder in the Vatican: The Revolutionary Life of John Paul and the CIA, Opus Dei and the 1978 Murders by Lucien Gregoire, Publisher AuthorHouse, 2008 ISBN 1434387232, 9781434387233, page 103, read about it here

Karol progressed from a laborer in a quarry to distribution supervisor of a chemical plant IG Farben had built adjacent to the Auschwitz concentration camp five miles from where he lived in Wadowice. The plant produced chemicals used to gas prisoners. In his job as distribution supervisor, Karol traveled to Treblinka and other camps. The movie The Man Who Would Be Pope starring John Voight correctly depicts Karol's role as supervisor of his chemical supply depot. A resistance leader solicits Karol to divert supplies to the resistance; Karol refuses.

--71.178.110.141 (talk) 17:11, 11 September 2011 (UTC)