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Viking metal

Have you actually found a source stating that Bathory's Blood Fire Death has its origins in folk music? Because if not, you're going to be struggling. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 13:05, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

I also would like to see the justification for the reliability of The Metal Bible. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 13:11, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I left the article in a bit of a mess, in the middle of working on it I realized I needed to leave. I'm going to improve the wording when I integrate sources that I found. So I do plan on discussing the folk influence on Viking metal, and to integrate sources, I was just interrupted this morning.

With regard to Johannes Jonsson, in my edit summary I said that his site was "praised" by academic literature. To say "praised" is incorrect, I forgot how his work was examined. He wasn't really praised, instead he was used as a source in two separate academic works by Marcus Moberg.

The first work is a draft paper for a presentation given by Moberg at a global conference on heavy metal (info can be found here). On page 6 he quotes the Metal for Jesus! site and uses it as a reference.

The second source is a book by Moberg, I think its based off of his thesis paper. (As an aside, this book is probably the most extensive look at Christian metal ever done). In it he uses Jonsson heavily as a source (examples include pages 192, 209, and 211.), and he also takes an in depth look at The Metal Bible on pages 196-198. Though I can't remember if Moberg mentions Jonsson's involvement, Jonsson was in fact the organizer and I think publisher of that project.

Also, Jonsson has written two concert reviews for HM Magazine: [1] [2]--¿3family6 _contribs 19:24, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

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I love English

The phrase you added here, as "way in" is from a boxing term: to weigh-in.

I may not say it enough, but thanks for your work on the hard Christian genres on Wikipedia. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:23, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Ha! Yeah, that was a mistake on my part, I've almost done that with this particular phrase several times, but I usually catch myself. I obviously missed it this time.

You're welcome.--¿3family6 _contribs 02:26, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK

Yeah, I fixed the issue.--WillC 05:53, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Chaos & Warfare

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Wow! Thanks!--¿3family6 _contribs 00:59, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Screamo

"neither source is used for that claim"

Look at the edit that put the claim into the article. I'll quote it for you: "As for the loose definition of screamo, see reference #7 and #55"

PaganPanzerfaust (talk) 16:33, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

I don't see which edit you're talking about, but I didn't go that far back through the history. The statement and source you are removing though is not ref #7 or #55. I'm thinking that the numbers have changed, probably because sources were moved in the article or new refs were added. The statement you have been removing is sourced by ref #6 (which makes me think the numbers have changed). I've been suspicious of the reliability of that source for a while, I'm putting up a questionable tag.--¿3family6 _contribs 00:26, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

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Post-Metal.

Hello. I'm not going to make the so called "editor war" or whatever, I just want to understand your point. In my opinion if the creators of the genre started out as sludge, this should be noted in the style's origins. What else are the origins if not the music background of the founders? Plus - I listen to this kind of music and all I see is most of the bands described also as sludge metal or atmospheric sludge metal - there surely is some overlapping that should be noted too.Xr 1 (talk) 13:12, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for asking for clarification, I wish more people did that. The origins section is for what styles of music that the genre/style in question developed out of. Yes, the founders of post-metal (maybe excluding Helmet, I don't know enough about that band) are sourced as sludge, but no sources have been provided that post-metal itself came out of sludge. It's a subtle but very crucial difference. The styles do overlap, and this is mentioned in the article, but we need a definitive source saying that post-metal came out of sludge. I know that it did, but I third-party reliable source has to state this.--¿3family6 _contribs 16:26, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for you answer, I'm happy that we are arguing but not fighting. I understand what you are saying, but I still think that if Neurosis laid the ground for what's to come and Oceanic by Isis is the first post-metal album which everyone is inspired by, their influnces are what's important. However, as I said, I'm not going to add sludge again and again. Xr 1 (talk) 07:58, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome, and thanks again for not making a huge deal out of this. I understand where you are coming from, it's just that making that jump is original research, specifically original synthesis. The big problem with argument you have put forward is that Helmet and Tool are also cited as pioneers, and as far a I know they did not really embrace sludge.--¿3family6 _contribs 11:42, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

I actually haven't paid much attention to those bands in particular. That was my mistake. I suggest some brief mentioning about Neurosis and Isis being related to the sludge scene - I didn't see it exactly specified in the article.Xr 1 (talk) 14:08, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

The article doesn't exactly mention them. Right now the article says: "As a label, some see post-metal as redundant, since some bands listed as post-metal contain many elements similar to doom metal, progressive metal, sludge metal, and stoner metal." If you have verifiable material on Isis and Neurosis being sludge (this is probably on their articles), than go ahead and create a small mention.--¿3family6 _contribs 17:43, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I used the sources I previously put in the talk page, I think they are reliable - the source about Isis is from AllMusic's review, and now the article says "Although Neurosis and Godflesh appeared earlier and display elements befitting post-metal, Isis, who like Neurosis[7] were involved in the sludge metal scene,[8] are often credited with laying down the conventions and definition of the genre in less nebulous terms, with their release of Oceanic in 2002.[9]" I used "were" because they broke up.Xr 1 (talk) 20:55, 18 April 2012 (UTC)