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Userboxes

Where can I find userboxes for each individual teams? Can you reply on my talk page? Thank you. Allen (talk) 02:08, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Miracle at the Meadowlands II?

Miracle at the Meadowlands II does not seem like a notable game to me, especially not commonly known (or even thought of as) a "miracle" game. Should this be AfD'd? Jrcla2 (talk) 15:43, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Roger that. Please nominate for AfD. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 17:37, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure an article on the same game (with a different title, perhaps) was already deleted. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:39, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Afd: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miracle at the Meadowlands II. Jrcla2 (talk) 19:40, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Even though I voted delete, I keep on thinking that the page should become a redirect to the Miracle at the New Meadowlands. What do you guys think? Zappa (talk) 00:18, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Separate history articles for Baltimore-Indy/Oilers-Titans

In January of this year, editor Levineps removed large amounts of content from the articles History of the Indianapolis Colts and History of the Tennessee Titans and created [[]] and History of the Houston Oilers. Not only was this major edit done without consulting other editors, it flies in the face of the consensus to follow official NFL record books and acknowledge Baltimore-Indy Colts as one team and Oilers-Titans as one team. This is an issue that is no different that others battling to separate the main Colts and Titans articles. In the edit summaries of the Colts and Titans history articles, Levineps left the following statements: "many in Baltimore don't associate the Baltimore Colts with the Indy Colts" and "deserves own article." Both are opinionated statements that disregard both the basic rules of Wikipedia and consensus building done here on this project page. I just want to make sure there is enough support of my view point before I go proposing articles be merged and deleted. --Blackbox77 (talk) 18:51, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

While I do not agree with his particular reason, what I have also previously said is that we are going to eventually be forced to split up this history content anyway due to their very large size. The history of the Giants has already been split into multiple articles. If History of the Indianapolis Colts continues to be split in a similar fashion, it might be inaccurate to title a page History of the Indianapolis Colts (1953–1978). I don't know what a good solution would be, but this article size issue is going to eventually become a problem as these franchises get older. Zzyzx11 (talk) 19:07, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

That's a great point and I can understand why slitting long history articles makes sense. However it needs to be gone about the right way and not by someone on a mission to glorify the BAL Colts and HOU Oilers like they are separate clubs from those that exist today. In the case of the Oilers/Titans article before Levineps came in, the article stood at about 31 KB - which according to WP:SIZERULE is a perfectly acceptable article size. At the very least, this article should be returned to its previous state and the new one deleted. In the case of BAL/IND, it originally stood at about 81 KB before the split so breaking it up could be justified. However the new article only weighed in at 23 KB while the original's remains still stand at 58 KB – a very small article vs one that is still very large. Unless some serious work is done to the Baltimore history, this split needs to occur elsewhere. Ultimately, my agenda is just to make sure undue weight isn't given by those who claim these franchises are more than what they are, and I think that's a justifiable reason to make sure this sort of situation is handled the right way. --Blackbox77 (talk) 22:53, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Free HighBeam accounts

Hello all – free HighBeam 1-year accounts are being given out at Wikipedia:HighBeam/Applications. This might come in useful for this WikiProject's devoted editors. Jrcla2 (talk) 20:07, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

RfC notice regarding notability of individual games/plays

See Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports)#Notability of regular season games or individual plays. Eagles 24/7 (C) 01:04, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

2012 Nike uniforms

With the 2012 uniforms from Nike becoming official today, please be patient as I update each team's uniform. It shouldn't take long though. JohnnySeoul (talk) 14:04, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Notability standards for regular season college football games

Gentlemen, there is an important AfD discussion taking place at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2011 Michigan vs. Notre Dame football game, which involves the application of the notability standards to individual regular season college football games. Please share your insights on point. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:22, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Team roster navboxes

Looking at Category:National Football League roster templates, we only have six remaining teams that need team roster navboxes - Chiefs, Vikings, Saints, Steelers, Chargers, and Rams.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:18, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Only Vikings, Steelers, and Rams left.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:42, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Done. Still have 4 to deploy. Will get them done by the weekend.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 07:52, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Draft preparations

As all of you know, the NFL Draft is upon us once again. In an effort to curtail the ridiculous volume of vandalism that occurs on the days of the draft and the days thereafter, I would like to semi-protect the articles of players projected to be drafted in the first two rounds of the draft (and any other high-profile draftees like Vontaze Burfict). I've already semi-protected the main draft page and a few top prospects' pages. If anyone objects to my proposal, feel free to say so. Additionally, in an attempt to decrease the workload for editors updating players' pages as they get drafted, we should probably start adding Infobox NFL player to these articles now in a hidden comment with many parameters filled in (such as birthdate, birthplace, height, weight, college, etc.). Eagles 24/7 (C) 23:30, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Agreed on all counts. -- The Writer 2.0 ^Talk 13:29, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Help: DeWayne Lewis

I don't even think this is a real NFL player. The article originally claimed that he was selected in the 2009 Draft by the Jaguars, which is not true. It also says he played for the Bengals, which I wan find no sources to back that up. A search on NFL.com for his name brings up no results. It also appears most of the article is plagiarized. I don't really know how to handle this, I guess it should be deleted but I'm not sure what parts are true and not true, or if there is any real notability to it. ~ Richmond96 t • c 04:49, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Nice catch, Richmond. Lewis was a real college player at a Division I FCS program, and later signed with the Jaguars as an undrafted free agent in 2009. He never played a down in a regular season NFL game, and is apparently non-notable per WP:GNG. I have nominated the article for deletion here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/DeWayne Lewis. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:20, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the attention and the research. ~ Richmond96 t • c 00:46, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

helmets in the infobox

Has anyone thought of a solution to the removal of the helmets from the infobox? I've tried a few things at the sports logo forum to get a new free-use template to use on new ones but no success. CRRaysHead90 | ^{Get Some!} 08:10, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Template:Kansas City Chiefs roster navbox

Can someone fix the color scheme at Template:Kansas City Chiefs roster navbox.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:41, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

 Done Armchair QB (talk) 15:18, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:23, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Draft/Pre-draft section title

User:Eagles247 and I just had a little discussion on how to name the section on most NFL player's articles that contain NFL combine measurables, pro day comments, draft projections etc., like e.g. this one or this one. I used to name them "[year] NFL Draft", whereas Eagles247 suggests "Pre-draft". So before any of us reverts this back and forth, I'd like to see if we could reach consensus here on either one. --bender235 (talk) 12:32, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

tagging

A lot of articles of draftees (and UFA signees for that matter) are not getting the {{WikiProject NFL}}. We need to make sure these articles get tagged.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 12:36, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

All-Pro in infobox

Which agency is usually used when All-Pro is listed in a player's infobox? AP, or some consensus of all the different agencies? It's not outlined in {{Infobox NFL player}}.—Bagumba (talk) 23:07, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

NFL categories

I have nominated a couple of NFL categories (one about ALS, one about 10,000 years rushers) for deletion here. Your feedback is welcome.--Mike Selinker (talk) 15:28, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

User:IndoorFB63

User:IndoorFB63 has created a number of football bio stubs that I'm not really sure meet notability. They include Donta Abron, Chinedu Achebe, Nakia Jenkins, Greg Hadley, Alli Abrew, Eric Abrams, Gerald Abraham (American football), Toran James, Jonathan Jackson (linebacker), Chrys Chukwuma, Rickey Brady, Chris Bayne, and Jon Blackman. In fact, the only article he created that readily meets notability standards is Mike Crawford (American football) because he played for the Miami Dolphins in a few games his rookie year. I'm not going to nominate any of the aforementioned bios for deletion out of laziness and bigger priorities on Wikipedia, but they seem questionable and I thought I'd at least mention them here in case anyone wants to nominate them. Jrcla2 (talk) 03:25, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Photos?

I've been looking at a number of pages of NFL players from the 1960s, for a book I'm editing, and I note that very few of them have photos of the players. I would think publicity photos would be easy to come by for folks like this, either from the NFL or from the individual teams. And occasional pages, like that for Don Meredith, do have photos. Any reason these haven't been added wholesale? --Michael K Smith^Talk 15:34, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Not all the pictures on the internet are useable. They need to be in the public domain or qualify as fair use. An alternative is to include a link to the photos using {{External media}}.—Bagumba (talk) 17:03, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of List of National Football League and Arena football players for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article List of National Football League and Arena football players is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of National Football League and Arena football players until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article.. Jrcla2 (talk) 13:49, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

AFC Championship Game in infobox

Someone is insisting on putting the AFC Championship Game in the infobox for Zoltan Mesko (American football). This seems odd to me. Can someone else look at this.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:19, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Riki Ellison

Per [1] I looked at the 49er's all time roster and Ellison is listed for 1989. It seems he was on injured reserve the whole season. How is this usually handled? --NeilN ^{talk to me} 20:34, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

I think his infobox should say he was with the team in 1989.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:37, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Dallas Cowboys - Rivalries Section - 49ers

In the Cowboys page...There is a subsection on Rivalries and from there a subsection on the Cowboys v Niners Rivalry. It states that the two teams first met in the Playoffs in 1972 and then goes on to discuss that game...it also discusses the two teams meeting in th 82, 92, 93, 94 Championship Games.... Strangely there is no mention of the 1970 and 1971 NFC Championship games Niners v Cowboys, in fact the first two NFC Championship games ever played after the merger.

So the article states: "The two clubs had first met in 1960, and in 1972 met in the NFC playoffs for the first time on December 23 at Candlestick Park;"

This is factually incorrect, the sentence should read: "The two clubs had first met in 1960, and in 1971 met in the NFC playoffs for the first time in the 1970 NFC Conference Championship Game played on January 3, 1971 at Kezar Stadium in San Francisco." Then it should discuss the 1971 Conference Championship followed by the 1972 Divisional Playoff Game discussion

AfterSeven 00:00, 26 May 2012 (UTC)