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Q1: Is the article biased against conspiracy theories?

A1: Wikipedia is a mainstream encyclopedia so this article presents the accepted version of the events according to reliable sources. Although reliable sources have repeatedly reported on conspiracy theories, reporting on conspiracy theories is not the same thing as advocating conspiracy theories or accepting them as fact. The most recent discussion that resulted in the current consensus took place on this talk page in December 2011. If you disagree with the current status, you are welcome to bring your concerns to the article talk page. Please read the previous discussions on this talk page and try to explain how your viewpoint provides new arguments or information that may lead to a change in consensus. Please be sure to be polite and support your views with citations from reliable sources.

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A2: Wikipedia:Words to watch states that "there are no forbidden words or expressions on Wikipedia". That being said, "terrorism" is a word that requires extra attention when used in Wikipedia. The consensus, after several lengthy discussions, is that it is appropriate to use the term in a limited fashion to describe the attacks and the executors of these attacks. The contributors have arrived at this conclusion after looking at the overwhelming majority of reliable sources that use this term as well as the United Nations' own condemnation of the attacks.[1]

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9/11

Is there a reason this page isn't titled 9/11? It's by far the most commonly used name, and it already redirects here. Charles Essie (talk) 20:49, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have thought the current title is quite unusual for a while now. Per WP:COMMONNAME I would support moving the page to either "9/11" or "9/11 attacks". --Philpill691 (talk) 03:30, 23 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

9/11 is only common in the USA. they are universally referred to as the 'September 11th attacks' outside of there, largely due to the date format 9/11 meaning 9th of November in most countries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 15.203.169.105 (talk) 14:52, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"The" NIST

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The National Institute of Standards and Technology is commonly referred to as "NIST", without any preceding article. The current text of the "September 11 attacks" Wikipedia entry refers to it as "the NIST" on at least one occasion. For supporting material, refer to basically any NIST website to see the typical usage. 68.48.11.187 (talk) 22:56, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Does this edit[2] address your concern? A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 23:04, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's okay, but the paragraph immediately preceding the edit also starts with the full name of the institute. There's no need to use the full name twice. I suggest that the proper change is just to eliminate "The" preceding "NIST" in the second mention. Thanks for the quick response.68.48.11.187 (talk) 23:09, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

OK, how about now?[3] Does this address your concern? A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 23:15, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You've just restored the original, incorrect text. We're clearly talking past each other. Here's what I suggest: "The U.S. National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) investigated the collapses of the Twin Towers and 7 WTC. The investigations examined why the buildings collapsed and what fire protection measures were in place, and evaluated how fire protection systems might be improved in future construction.[270] The investigation into the collapse of 1 WTC and 2 WTC was concluded in October 2005 and that of 7 WTC was completed in August 2008. [paragraph break] NIST found that the fireproofing..." You simply can't make a reference to "the NIST". It's just "NIST"-- no preceding article. Does this make sense?68.48.11.187 (talk) 23:25, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This appears to be

Already done. I see no mentions of "the NIST" in this article now. If I've missed something, please reopen the request and be specific about where you're now seeing it. Thanks, --ElHef (Meep?) 05:56, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 16 July 2013

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Please change (also referred to as September 11, September 11th, or 9/11[nb 1]) to (also referred to as September 11, September 11th, S11 or 9/11[nb 1])

Sahha (talk) 19:17, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done I wasn't aware of this term, but found it used in online fora and blogs. —rybec 20:13, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed that...it's not a term that is used with any frequency and I've never heard this event being referred to with that abbreviation. Use in fora and blogs is not noteworthy.--MONGO 11:47, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely agree with MONGO's removal. This is not noteworthy for September 11 attacks. You saved me an edit! Regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 14:31, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to have missed it. What is the difference between the first example and the proposal version? They look identical in this section. The Big Hoof! (talk) 18:13, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ignore last remark. I have just spotted what is difficult for the eyes to pick out quickly. This is about S11 and I too admit not to know that term to refer to the attacks. The Big Hoof! (talk) 18:16, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Here are links to some news stories using the term:

—rybec 03:11, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like it's solely an Australian term; any sign of use anywhere else? Acroterion (talk) 04:19, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't object to the term but yes it does need wider coverage. Asia Pulse looks interesting here but it is a dead link. The Big Hoof! (talk) 04:26, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request "Destination of UA93"

The page currently reads: "The fourth plane, United Airlines Flight 93, was targeted at the United States Capitol[2] in Washington" - the evidence is linked to a documentary. I see no evidence that the hijackers of UA93 have provided written or verbal evidence that the target was the Capitol Building. Surely this is just speculation and should be described as such.

There is already extensive discussion of the target selection in the United Airlines Flight 93 article. Perhaps this page could be altered to include the slight uncertainty over White House or Capitol. Rmhermen (talk) 13:31, 28 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Changed to address this, but I'm open to other wording. In general, shorter rather than longer, with the detail on Flight 93. Tom Harrison ^Talk 17:09, 28 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Initial sentence

For the sake of NPOV, shouldn't the initial sentence refer to al-Qaeda as an "Islamist" terrorist group or "Salafi" (or "Wahhabi") terrorist group? They have a very distinct ideology and belief system which is quite different from the mainline Sunni denominations, to the extent that Al-Azhar University considers the Salafi/Wahhabi faction to be a hopelessly evil cultic offshoot of mainline Sunnism. Considering the recent shakeup in Egypt which ousted the Salafist Muslim Brotherhood from power, I would advise we use much more specific descriptors with groups like al-Qaeda that are universally rejected and condemned by the vast majority of the world's billion+ Muslim population, and of course for the sake of maintaining a very strong focus on NPOV, which has generally been held up in this article over the years. Thoughts? Laval (talk) 16:40, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't we use the title of the linked article? If a change is called for, that's where it should be changed. Tom Harrison ^Talk 22:40, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hijackers

This article is hijacked from general public by a group of editors who are gaming the system. I would like to see appropriate warning about this easily verifiable fact clearly displayed above the content page. Thanks. OTEx (talk) 11:19, 23 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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 :Shouldn't we use the title of the linked article? If a change is called for, that's where it should be changed. [[User:Tom harrison|Tom Harrison]] <sup>[[User talk:Tom harrison|Talk]]</sup> 22:40, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
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+This article is hijacked from general public by a group of editors who are ''gaming the system''. I would like to see appropriate warning about this easily verifiable fact clearly displayed above the content page. Thanks. [[User:OTEx|OTEx]] ([[User talk:OTEx|talk]]) 11:19, 23 August 2013 (UTC)