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Happy New Year!

		Best wishes for the New Year!
		Wishing you and yours a joyous, healthful, and productive 2013! Please accept a belated thank you for the well wishes upon my retirement as FAC delegate this year, and apologies for the false alarm of my first—and hopefully last—retirement; the well wishes extended me were most kind, but I decided to return, re-committed, when another blocked sock was revealed as one of the factors aggravating the FA pages this year. Maintaining standards in featured content requires vigilance, dedication and knowledge of people like you, who are needed; reviews are always welcome at FAC, FAR and TFA requests. Somehow, somehow we never ever seem to do nothin' completely nice and easy, but here's hoping that 2013 will see a peaceful road ahead and a return to the quality and comaraderie that defines the FA process, with the help of many dedicated Wikipedians! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:50, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

WP:DWG

I've updated WP:DWG. Please see what you think. Should deceased users' Ë-mail this user" feature be deactivated? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:23, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Firsfron. You have new messages at Fairlyoddparents1234's talk page.
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Fairly OddParents Freak (Fairlyoddparents1234) C 03:36, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Re: Joan Crawford - The usual method of asking for sources is not to undo an edit, but to ask for sources to be added in order to back up the addition to the article. As such, I undid your revision and rewrote what I added to include sources for the comments relating to her birth. Likewise with her boxoffice receipts for films leading up to the so-called box office poison label, I have researched this subject VERY thoroughly and all box office stats are in my possession from the Eddie Mannix Ledger, which is in print and can also be accessed in its original form at the NY Library for the Performing Arts as well as at the Academy of Arts and Sciences Library in LA.

Joan Crawford

§Thanks for the reply. However, I AM conversant with how one is supposed to question unsourced information and, no offense intended at all, you are not following those guidelines when you simply UNDO what I have added.

Once again I have reversed your undo as, according to Wiki it was unjustly done, nor did you follow their STRONG suggestion to use talk page before you do such a thing, thereby avoiding the situation we are in, namely, an edit war. What you are strongly encouraged to do is as for a citation or further details.

Among other things, wiki says: Edit warring is unconstructive and creates animosity between editors, making it harder to reach a consensus. Users who engage in edit wars risk being blocked or even banned. Note that an editor who repeatedly restores his or her preferred version is edit warring, whether or not his or her edits were justifiable: it is no defence to say "but my edits were right, so it wasn't edit warring".

Furthermore: experienced editors avoid being becoming involved in edit wars This section in a nutshell: Communication is the key to avoiding conflict: follow Wikipedia:Editing policy#Talking and editing. Shortcut: WP:AVOIDEDITWAR

In general, communication is the key to avoiding conflict: follow Wikipedia:Editing policy#Talking and editing. Once it is clear that there is a dispute, avoid relying solely on edit summaries and discuss the matter on the article's talk page. The primary venue for discussing the dispute should be the article talk page, which is where a reviewing admin will look for evidence of trying to settle the dispute. It may help to remember that there is no deadline and that editors can add appropriate cleanup tags to problematic sections under current discussion. When discussion does not produce a conclusion, bringing wider attention to a dispute can lead to compromise. Consider getting a third opinion or starting a request for comments. Neutral editors aware of the dispute will help curb egregious edits while also building consensus about the dispute. When these methods fail, seek informal and formal dispute resolution.

Some experienced editors deliberately adopt a policy of only reverting edits covered by the exceptions listed above, or limiting themselves to a single revert; if there is further dispute they seek dialog or outside help rather than make the problem worse. They revert only when necessary. This policy may be particularly appropriate for controversial topics where views are polarized and emotions run high, and as a result edit warring is more frequent.

The bottom line: use common sense, and do not participate in edit wars. Rather than reverting repeatedly, discuss the matter with others; if a revert is necessary, another editor may conclude the same and do it (without you prompting them), which would then demonstrate consensus for the action. Request page protection rather than becoming part of the dispute by reverting.

You are, by virtue of continual undoing of my edits without discussing them first, bringing about this edit war. I believe you have no reason other than wanting to improve the article, but your method is in question as per Wiki's guidelines. Please follow the appropriate guidelines and ASK for more clarity or better sources or page numbers as need be. This can easily be done using "who said?" or requests for "citation" etc.

As for links to websites, I did not provide a link to a fan website. I DID provide one to an archive for a valid newspaper article. There is nothing in wiki rules to suggest one cannot use such links because they "might eventually go dead."

Basically you are saying that some of my sources are questionable - according to Wiki, they are not: Questionable sources are those with a poor reputation for checking the facts, or with no editorial oversight. Such sources include websites and publications expressing views that are widely acknowledged as extremist, or promotional in nature, or which rely heavily on rumors and personal opinions. Questionable sources are generally unsuitable for citing contentious claims about third parties, which includes claims against institutions, persons living or dead, as well as more ill-defined entities. The proper uses of a questionable source are very limited. The link for the news article, which is in itself verifiable by virtue of the link, is not questionable. Therefore it cannot be challenged simply by UNDOING everything.

As to page numbers, I am wrong to have not included them and will remedy that immediately. However, again, according to wiki, this is not a valid reason to undo an edit.

Hopefully we can work together for the benefit of the article within the guidelines set up for us.

Despite being an admisitrator, you appear not to care about the rules. Despite my pointing out the various rules, your use of ONE portion of them to justify your undos is, frankly, unfathomable. Why would you choose to ignore precedent?

As such, I am going ask for another administrator to step.

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Request for arbitration

You are involved in a recently filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests#FirsfronMethod of handling issues and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the following resources may be of use—

• Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests#Requests for Arbitration;
• Wikipedia:Arbitration guide.

Thanks,

Precious

dinosaurs and archosaurs
Thank you for quality paleontological articles on dinosaurs and archosaurs, for example Psittacosaurus, and for "helpfulness and for answering questions that others would just ignore", - repeating: you are an awesome Wikipedian (26 May 2007, 17 February 2009)!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:03, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Can we agree to disagree?

I believe that, by and large, we view the issues between us from different viewpoints. I do not discount your standards at all, but as I said elsewhere, it is your method that concerns me. Try putting yourself in the opposite position. I have to assume that you would prefer I attempt to use the talk pages first, before undoing your no doubt useful contributions to wiki.

I have zero issues with you or anyone else pointing out issues with what I have done and in fact welcome it. After all, we are all each other's guardians here in an effort to make things better. The site belongs to everyone and no one when it comes to contributions. I am far from perfect and I know of no one who is.

Despite our volleys on talk pages and through Arbitration (I appear to have jumped the gun there), I would like to think you and Ryan are more interesting in the use of factual information for the JC and any other article. I've spent 25 years doing slow, deliberate research into the life of a woman I was lucky to have met a number of times. I would never use my own experiences on here, but my head is held high as to the veracity and verifiability of my sources.

I am happy and willing to guide you to those sources if you like. The are not hard to access. I am even willing to scan and email documents to back up my refs. I am also willing to go into considerable detail as to why the claims of others, famous though some may be, do not hold up in light of documented facts (this would include Ms. Crawford herself). Perhaps, at very least, this might quell some of your well-intentioned concerns.

At any rate, despite our mutual annoyance, I would greatly prefer to work with people as opposed to against them. It really is a waste of our time and energy...

Thanks,

Tal1962 (talk) 04:45, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Re: Joan Crawford

Oops, I didn't think to check to see if a case had been opened because of some reverted material. Pinkadelica^♣ 06:15, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Request for Arbitration declined

This is a courtesy notice that a request for arbitration, which named you as a party, has been declined. Please feel free to see this page for suggestions on moving forward.

For the Arbitration Committee, -- (X! · talk)  · @908  ·  20:47, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Helen Burgess

Could you restore the User:Helen Burgess page so that I may retrieve its contents? --Simfan34 (talk) 21:58, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

It, of course, is a work of fiction of my own invention, and is meant to serve no malicious purpose. --Simfan34 (talk) 03:31, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Note regarding callsigns

Hi there Firsfron,

RE: List of former NTA Film Network affiliates in the United States

As a leading member of WP:TVS, I just wanted to let you know that in in order to address both current callsigns and WP:NOTBROKEN, I have decided to add the current callsigns separately rather than fix the link. E.g. for WIVB-TV formerly WBEN-TV;

WBEN-TV
(now WIVB-TV)

Makes it easier to recognize a station. Call me if you have concerns... :-)

Fairly OddParents Freak (Fairlyoddparents1234) C 17:41, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Yewtharaptor

Hi, Firs;

Got another one: YPM 6281, almost entirely ripped from [1] (Olsen, P. E., McDonald, N. G., Huber, P., and Cornet, B., 1992, Stratigraphy and Paleoecology of the Deerfield rift basin (Triassic-Jurassic, Newark Supergroup), Massachusetts: in Robinson, P. and Brady, J. B. (eds.) Guidebook for Field Trips in the Connecticut Valley Region of Massachusetts and Adjacent States (vol. 2), New England Intercollegiate Geological Conference 84th Annual Meeting, Contribution no. 66, Department of Geology and Geography, University of Massachusetts, Amherst, Massachusetts, p. 488-535.) with a dose of the editor's interpretations of two fragments of bone. J. Spencer (talk) 23:12, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

WP Television Stations in the Signpost

The WikiProject Report would like to focus on WikiProject Television Stations for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Multiple editors will have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions, so be sure to sign your answers. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. –Mabeenot (talk) 06:25, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Fossil star

	The Fossilized Barnstar
	Thank you for putting me on the right track early on when I was basically just a troll. You've been a great role-model for hordes of nerds who've sought here to vent their dinosaur-obsession! FunkMonk (talk) 09:30, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Alex in Wonderland

I just created a stub article for Alex in Wonderland. I've gone as far as I can with it, but I noticed that in your userspace draft on NTA affiliates you mentioned that the show was soon only on one station. From my web research, I know the first thirteen episodes still exist, and thought you might know whether just the first thirteen were taped and then the later ones were only shown on WNTA. Seems plausible, but I can only speculate. Also you might want to double check the premiere date I gave. I presumed the copyright dates given for individual episodes that I found corresponded to the air dates on WNTA, but it's possible that they are production dates and the actual air dates were later once the other stations had the tapes, since NTA tried to be a network. Carolina wren (talk) 13:56, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Megapnosaurus/Coelophysis problem

Hello Firsfron. I am informing users that might want to say something about this. If you have an opinion please add it. Thanks. Reid,iain james (talk) 01:57, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Also, if there is anyone else who you think might want this message sent to them you can inform them. Reid,iain james (talk) 01:58, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Main Page appearance: Herrerasaurus

This is a note to let the main editors of Herrerasaurus know that the article will be appearing as today's featured article on October 17, 2013. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. If you prefer that the article appear as TFA on a different date, or not at all, please ask Bencherlite (talk · contribs). You can view the TFA blurb at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/October 17, 2013. If it needs tweaking, or if it needs rewording to match improvements to the article between now and its main page appearance, please edit it, following the instructions at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests/instructions. The blurb as it stands now is below:

Herrerasaurus was one of the earliest dinosaurs. Its name means "Herrera's lizard", after Victorino Herrera, a goatherd who discovered the first specimen. All known fossils of Herrerasaurus have been discovered in northwestern Argentina in rocks dated to 231.4 million years ago. It was a lightly built bipedal carnivore with a long tail and a relatively small head. Its length is estimated at 3–6 meters (10–20 ft) and it may have weighed around 210–350 kilograms (463–772 lb). The type species, Herrerasaurus ischigualastensis, was described by Osvaldo Reig in 1963 and is the only species assigned to the genus. Where Herrerasaurus and its close relatives lie on the early dinosaur evolutionary tree is unclear. For many years, it was known from very fragmentary remains. However, with the discovery of an almost complete skeleton and skull in 1988, Herrerasaurus has been classified as either an early theropod or an early saurischian, with many researchers treating it at least tentatively as the most primitive member of Theropoda. It is a member of the Herrerasauridae, a family of similar genera that were among the earliest of the dinosaurian evolutionary radiation. (Full article...)

UcuchaBot (talk) 23:03, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Just to let you know -- Missing Wikipedians

You have been mentioned at Wikipedia:Missing Wikipedians. XOttawahitech (talk) 02:07, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

new comer

Hello Firsfron! I am a new hand in editing wiki pages. I have so many question about it. Write me back when you received my message — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yangsen715 (talk • contribs) 05:00, 7 November 2013 (UTC)