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I don't know how to respond so I'll post this here. You can delete if when you've read it. The lead singer is in a band called Codec (Facebook search: Codec Band) and their bio states they broke up in 2010 I think it was. I messaged them a while back and they said via MySpace message that they'd broken up.

This time, I come in peace :D

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Shrine Maiden

The discussion on XBox One obviously isn't going anywhere. Think it's time to consider a Request for Comment? --ThomasO1989 (talk) 19:23, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

I don't think that's even needed. There's such a clear consensus, we probably ought to just stop arguing with her and let the consensus stand as is. (yes, I knowing the worst offender. ) Sergecross73 msg me 19:26, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Wait a sec. Why "Shrine Maiden"? —017Bluefield (talk) 22:37, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm not if I get exactly what you're asking here, but the general situation is that the user that goes by Shrine Maiden maiden is being rather stubborn in 2 concurrent conversations on the same thing. While Thomas suggested an RFC, I didn't think that wasn't even necessary since consensus is unanimously against her. Sergecross73 msg me 23:00, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Oh. Okay. The title just caught my eye for some reason. —017Bluefield (talk) 23:17, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Haha, yeah, I guess there wasn't much context here. I could see it being hard to follow if you weren't in the discussions. Sergecross73 msg me 23:22, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

I formally request...

I formally request you to stop hounding every situation that you come across relating to me. Everything that you have done is based off of isolated events, which is why i'm banned from anime and manga (a wiki project you never go to) and ignored all evidence i provided.

Yes, i do believe it was unjust. should i think otherwise? and is that reason enough to keep hounding me? FOr once, leave me alone. You're not a good admin, you're an abusive one. And i know most of the votes in the previous ANI are mostly based on your and lukeno94 (which i find ridiculous because that editor made it clear how bias he was when he said i "misread" a comment, which only one isolated event occured)

If i do get unbanned. it wouldn't affect you, it wouldn't affect any editors except for the problematic ones. so just stop hounding me. your opinion isn't valuable enough. Even if one would claim i didn't learn a thing from it (which i guarantee you, even after this ban, this had only caused more conflict than solve anything. In fact it seems like this is meant to be a freit train for permanent banning)Lucia Black (talk) 03:34, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Be careful with what you say, you shouldn't really call people bad admins or abusive because of a disagreement on an issue. I don't actually know what this issue is about, but Serge has been a been a great admin in all the dealings I've had with him. Try and deal with the issue itself, not the person. DarkToonLink^Heyaah! 03:47, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps the best way to stop perceived harassment is to stay off the other person's talk page... just sayin'. :) ·Salvidrim!· ✉ 05:15, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Salvidrim: Are you being serious? Everytime you say something and ends with "just saying". It seems like your beiing sarcastic. What I'm doing is confronting the issue. If I don't say anything, he'll do it again.

darktoonlink. That's the problem. In this case, this admin goes out of his way to add 2 cents about me aand constantly interferes. Its tiring. I would like it to stop. And for him to leave me alone in matters I know he can avoid.

his personal opinion on me, has led him to dismiss actual concrete repeated personal attacks, and leaves others to be influenced by his opinion. I ask you, should I think that's a good admin? I don't want it. All I want is some peace when editing wikipedia. If a debate on content has to be made, so be it. But I rather he avoid me in general.

I'm sure admins act like admins 90% of the time. I just think that 10% od that time can be risked by an editor getting on their badside. And if that happens it sticks.Lucia Black (talk) 07:12, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

I don't actually recall ever having dealings with you before, and since you haven't linked anything you've said, I don't really know much about the situation. So, I don't think I actually have business getting involved here, so I should really leave it up to you and Serge. In regards to my first comment, as I said before, I don't really know the exact issue, I just wanted to remind you of that policy. DarkToonLink^Heyaah! 07:37, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Look, it's very simple. Im not hounding you, I merely have AN and ANI on my watch list, and make comments on cases I'm knowledgable about. Similar to what Salvidrim said, perhaps if you don't like it, you shouldn't be the subject of AN/ANI reports all the time? Also, as Salvidrim said, it'd help if you didn't always post on my talk page, or as DarkToonLink said, make ridiculous accusations of bad faith on my talk page. (I don't recall asking for your evaluation as an Admin, for example.)

Don't blame me for your problems, it's all on you, and how you interact with others. Don't get mad when everyone calls you on it. Make changes in how you handle yourself. Sergecross73 msg me 10:42, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

We both know this isn't because "I" was the subject of AN/ANI. This was because certain editors would close any argument (without closure) on ANI. That idea of me. Being the subject was something you and luke decided to push. And even when I provided proof and evidence. It didn't matter. And you both tagteamed your way into dismissing it (for example, lukeno94 defended incivility from issues relating content, dismissed incivility because he didn't deem me a saint, and found the evidence looked bad on me for simply finding it in the archive. But even when I questioned all that with subjectivity. You comment for him and instead vote and sarcastically dismiss my comment.) You're not knowledgeable of any subject relating to me other than your 1st hand/2nd hand experience from m,, and you should know better to use that to judge everything else.

How I handle myself with other editors is just fine, any editor who has any issues with me are isolated and they also have issues of WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL. Most of the issues people have with me is CONTENT related. Other than that, only a select handful of editors (who have also been problematic) such as Niemti, and Canoe attempt to use their own personal bias reasons. There's also the fact that some people don't care about overall behavior. If you leave a bad impression on them, regardless if their correct they're going to assume its the same problem (lukeno94 with the idea of misinterpretting comments).

This ban has only brought more conflict as the said editor who got away has already hounded me in several aspects and attempted to block me for attempting to remove a comment in my own talkpage. This editor also interferes with interacting with me several times, and despite advice given to him, he ignores it. If I get unbanned. It wouldn't be the end of the world.Lucia Black (talk) 16:26, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Okay, don't tell me what I know or don't know. My explanation has already been given, and its easy to prove; you have been at AN/ANI countless times lately, whether it be people bringing you up, or your failed attempts to report others. AN/ANI are on my watchlist, and I comment on discussions that pop up that I can give insight on. The End. Any more bad-faith accusations and conjecture on my talk page are going to be reverted on the spot. Sergecross73 msg me 16:42, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

And I can easily prove what I brought up aswell. But if the roles were reversed and I (as an admin) sarcastically dismissed your comment (keep in mind, sarcasm is easy to read when using italics. So its not badfaith is that's what you intended), I'm sure you would react negatively. I can most certainly, definitely, and guarantee you that you don't know me. So I ask again, leave me alone in any subject related to ANI. You don't give insight and I have definite proof of that. But whose going to search tthrough the countless archives? I have the proof, but you seen it yourself. All I ask is you leave your opinions out of it. I already tolerate enough from you outside ANI.Lucia Black (talk) 17:59, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Request denied. I'm free to respond to questions that are posted in the Admin noticeboards. It would be one thing if it was being labeled as unhelpful or disruptive, but consensus keeps on falling inline with my stance every time, so that's hardly the case here. Keep out of trouble, and I won't have anything to respond to in the first place, right? Sergecross73 msg me 18:17, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

I personally classify them unhelpful, you only reference issues you have with me personally every single time, you never comment on the issue at hand other than "not needing admin action" when disruptive editors like niemti (another editor classified as disruptive) decide to make a campaign against me (in which you openly admitted wasn't wrong only because you agreed to what he was saying, not whether his actions were wrong.) and disrupting consensus building by making comments on editors and not even attempt to comment on content.

For the most part, you judge me before you judge the situation. Can you honestly say you see every ANI report i make as fresh new one that could be deemed worthy of taking admin action? I believe an editor can vandalize my own talkpage and you wouldn't find it to be admin worthy.

I'm tired...I'm not a vandal, and I'm most certainly not disruptive (at least when it comes to building a consensus if you don't agree). The most you could say is i show my emotions more openly than others. Yes, i have issues with specific editors. But not all, and some even find me helpful. The most you can say is that I'm not the most friendly editor when it comes to uncivil editors. BUT that's as much as you can say. I've seen editors curse to others without justification. and even when reported, editors let it slide. And it's most certainly not worthy of banning the editor for such things.Lucia Black (talk) 18:44, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Okay, last response on this, because like usual, I'm very tired of arguing circles with you. Look, again, every time I comment at these ANI/AN cases, consensus sides with me. If that's not proof of "The problem's not Serge, its Lucia.", then I don't know what is. Stop blaming the repercussions of your actions on me. Your various blocks and bans don't happen because of me, they happen because of your actions, and because consensus is found regarding that. I've never opened any cases against you, and I've never enacted administrative action against you, I've only given my 2 cents in discussions regarding you. Stop obsessing over me, which is one small piece of the collective puzzle of people who comment about you at ANI, and focus inward towards yourself. If you weren't constantly rubbing people the wrong way, no one would want to be taking you to ANI/AN/mediation all the time. Instead of just pointing fingers after the fact, fix things at the source of the problems - your actions. Sergecross73 msg me 20:12, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

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Virtual Boy games

I think there's a good amount of sources for Mario Clash; I've found seven with more to add. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 09:21, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I noticed a little about that from my watchlist. Nice work on that; I was wrong to doubt you! Sergecross73 msg me 15:00, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Nice work finding a ref supporting the inclusion of a Warioware game being based off of Mario Clash's premise too. (I assume that was you?) Back in the day I verified it was true, since it was one of the 3DS Ambassador games, but I could find a source to prove it for the life of me. (It has been like 2 or so years since I actively worked on it. Perhaps my source hunting has gotten better since then? I tend to think I'm good at it typically...) Sergecross73 msg me 15:05, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

I've collected various sources that can be used for the articles here. A lot of it is limited access stuff; anything of that sort will be taken care of by me. More will be added soon. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 03:45, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Wow, nice! I've been limited as far as how much free time I have, and when I am here, I tend to keep getting sucked into arguments, but I will try to help some with this. I typically enjoy working on more obscure video game articles, so VB fits in to that pretty well... Sergecross73 msg me

Huh, I also listed a bunch of sources for Mario's Tennis on its talk page way back in January 2012. Totally forgot about that, must have gotten distracted or lost interest or something. I'm working in integrating some of that into the article. Sergecross73 msg me 18:22, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Rome II... again

Sorry that it's being brought up again but following on our last exchange in the Video Games Project page, the Total War: Rome II seems to be coming under fire again except this time with more than just user scores but also forum posts and heavy POV. While I've removed it and explained why I'm passing this information on just in case as you suggested before. There's always the possibility such edits will be ignored. Thank you again. Stabby Joe (talk) 18:07, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

I've protected it again. Don't worry, I don't mind helping, while I don't especially have interest in this particular game, I know I always appreciated it when an Admin would help me out in these situations. Let me know if you need further help. I was going to leave a note on the talk page as to why the IPs edits are unacceptable, but it seems like you and another user had pretty well explained in the talk page a few weeks back. Still, I can help more, just let me know. Sergecross73 msg me 18:31, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

By all means and thank you. I myself am not heavily invested in the subject matter, rather I'm there because I know it's currently what I'd call I "high risk" article. Stabby Joe (talk) 18:35, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Invitation to join a discussion in progress

Hi Sergecross. Wanted to ask if you could join in briefly on a discussion I'm having with Red Phoenix regarding the Sega Genesis article? Just want to get your opinion on something. Thanks. :) — KieferSkunk (talk) — 06:24, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

You're...discussing renaming discussions again? I'm entirely against this, its far too much wasted time and people getting all worked up. I really can't believe you want to go through all of that again... Sergecross73 msg me 15:26, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Reviving this just a bit: I never actually saw your reply to me here, but I wanted to let you know that we've achieved Good Article status on the current Genesis article, and there's a stronger contingent now for supporting a proper WP:RM discussion about moving the article back to "Mega Drive", now that the article as a whole has changed. I've volunteered to start that discussion and to fully explain why I believe the situation is different now - the main reason being that we've addressed most of the issues that were contributing to the factionism we had in the first place (particularly the sales figures and NA-centrism problems). I will, of course, still abide by consensus, but I think we have a better basis for real productive discussion this time than we've had in years, perhaps at any time in the article's history. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 03:14, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Actually, forget it. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 04:50, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

• You can't have reasonably been expecting any other outcome... :) · Salvidrim! · ✉ 04:52, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
  • I do believe I could have, but I'm disappointed that I probably shouldn't have. I am apparently way too optimistic for my own good. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 04:53, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

• • Optimism is always good, but without a healthy dose of realism is impacts expectations in an undesirable way. Nobody can fault you for trying to help, though! ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 04:57, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Exstetra

I did not insult you; that you took it to mean yourself only proves my point. This is not content, these are typos; it is completely uncontroversial to fix them, and there is absolutely nothing on the talk page about this problem. You have gone too far, Sergecross. Despatche (talk) 04:02, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Despatche, I just reviewed the edit that Sergecross called you out on, and I have to say I agree with him. Perhaps you weren't targeting him specifically, but your edit summary went way over the line in terms of civil tone and went very easily into personal-attack territory. I have already asked you in the past (in a different place) to tone down your responses - you're getting way too worked up over what to me seem like trivial content matters, and it's going to get you blocked soon for being overly disruptive if you keep it up. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 04:27, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

And for the benefit of both of you, I started a section in Talk:Exstetra for you to hash it out per WP:BRD. For future reference, Despatche, the person reverting you is not obligated to start a BRD discussion, and the absence of one doesn't mean you can ignore the policy. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 04:39, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Despatche, you wrote that "anyone who thinks that would have to be retarded", and I had just re-added that information into the article, so all you have to do is add 2 and 2 together to get your not-so-subtle insult. Even if you didn't mean it that way, there's no excuse for using "retarded" in a derogatory manner anyways. Also, it doesn't matter how "uncontroversal" you feel something is, if its challenged, you discuss it on the talk page. Kiefer, thank you for your help. Sergecross73 msg me 10:29, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

I left a neutral note at WP:VG about the discussion at Talk:Exstetra#Typographical errors or interesting history? as well, FYI, to generate more discussion. Sergecross73 msg me 15:25, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Sega Franchises Edit War

See the edit war for yourself. Without getting into the details of the dispute, I'd recommend protecting the page. Sincerely,TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 23:19, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Protected, started an area for discussion on talk page. Thanks for the heads up. Sergecross73 msg me 23:39, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Sonic Adventure 2

Hi. Since I have just returned from my two-month semi retirement, as I find Wikipedia to be enjoyable and I have decided that I should not get past issues get to me anymore, I have decided to continue to help work on Sonic Adventure 2. FYI, there is a discussion about source ideas for the development section that Czar was concerned about. Czar also suggested that we should discuss this on the talk page. Cheers! Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 01:09, 20 October 2013 (UTC) −

Glad to see you're back! A little busy at the moment, but I'll look into it later. Sergecross73 msg me 01:39, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. On an irrelevant note, Fladrif, the user who had issues with me back in late March unfortunately returned as 75.7.198.193 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) in June to continue his personal attacks and was blocked for evasion and his talk page access was disabled. I just want to keep you informed about what happened after that ANI discussion in April. It's always a sad day when an indef blocked user returns as a sockpuppet to continue his disruption. However, indef blocked users, admins and arbitrators are people too. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 18:51, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, that is too bad. At least his use of that IP was short lived and months ago. If he returns more, let me know, and I can block him for block evasion. Sergecross73 msg me 19:13, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks again. In my view, Fladrif's attitude was off putting from the beginning and has been here since 2008, I for much longer than that. I really cannot stand this turkey posting ridiculous, hateful and venomous comments. If he returns, I would report him to SPI or ANI with differences (but beware the boomerang effect!) However, I do not seek revenge against anyone. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 19:51, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, its one thing to be dedicated to the project due to supporting the cause, but it always amazes me how people put in months and years terrorizing the project, or causing trouble through sockpuppets or constant vandalism. I don't know how they motivate themselves to do it. Sergecross73 msg me 21:05, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

I remember supporting an indefinite block and called his conduct profoundly detrimental and also took a look at the WT:BASC discussion which involved dramatic heckling towards admins, users and ArbCom members alike on his part before the ANI discussion happened. He is keen to find fault with other users (even myself), but seemed to be completely oblivious to his own bad behavior, which is deeply rooted and, in my opinion, demoralized nearly everyone (including myself). I felt that participating around his presence would sometimes cause arguments if I ever criticize his behavior around him, but that ANI discussion did fully convince me that he was being disruptive. His IP geolocates to Lansing, Michigan as with some of his previous IPs. But things change, and I have not and will not take any advice, threats or comments from disruptive editors (even Fladrif) anymore, as they are very unhelpful in my opinion. Anyway, I'm still busy with regards to editing anime and video game articles as well as Sonic. Best wishes, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 22:57, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Request for comment

I know the current version of the "Sega-Sammy" template was created by me with your support, but I'm starting to think it was a terrible mistake. If I've lost my mind, please straighten me out. Thanks,TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 23:08, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

magicperson6969

For months, this person won't stop japanizing Wikipedia, I've told him many times to stop and showed him the rules per WP:MOS-AM and WP:NCVG, but he won't listen and many users have told him to stop it, may you please do something about him, because he's becoming rather ignorant and he is not following the manual of style at all or listening to any of the input he's removed from his own talk page. --Vaati the Wind Demon (talk) 02:07, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

I'll look into it. I've been unhappy about some of this users other edits anyways... Sergecross73 msg me 02:13, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much, this person has been pretty stressful to deal with, I'm on my third revert and can't do anything about it for now. It looks like he put a retirement notice on his page, that's the second time he's done that and he still came back to do the same nonsense all over again, -_-. --Vaati the Wind Demon (talk) 02:36, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Is the problem across multiple articles? Or mainly about the Turbo Duo? With that article, while I admit, a Japanese translation isn't necessary if its not originally a Japanese product...but we shouldn't be removing entire sections about the Japanese region release, its release date, etc. Its still okay to mention that. (Unless there's a dispute on whether or not the content is correct or not.) Sergecross73 msg me 14:18, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

I've been following this user as well. I think they're operating in good faith, but don't know they're being disruptive. MP6969 has been warned multiple times, after which they blank their talk page. Any potential block should be short-term with a clear explanation of the reason why they are blocked. There "may" be potential here. If they keep going after the block, then maybe there isn't. In fairness, I did warn a user leaving a message on MP6969's talk page that was practically a personal attack, and I have seen the on-again, off-again retired tag too. --McDoobAU93 14:43, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, you can find some of them in my move logs, I'm not saying we should remove entire Japanese sections, but Japanizing everything that's been given official English Titles is unneccessary, since this is an English Wiki, the Japanese titles should be mentioned in a sentence like this for example, English Title->"Kirby's Adventures" then next to it, "(星のカービィ 夢の泉の物語, Hoshi no Kābī: Yume no Izumi no Monogatari?, lit. "Kirby of the Stars: The Story of the Fountain of Dreams") in Japan". Unless the game wasn't originally released in Japan, a Japanese title or it's translations isn't neccessary. Changing the name of the article and switching names to make the Japanese domininant on an English Wiki is unneccessary, unless that game was just released inside of Japan and never imported in English, then that's when we use Japanese Titles. The Japanese Wiki uses their own titles and an English Wiki uses their official titles whether their the same as the original or not. --Vaati the Wind Demon (talk) 16:07, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I just wanted to confirm the situation, and that, yes, I agree with the removal of the titles, but not all of the other stuff that you're removing in your edits. Sergecross73 msg me 16:09, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

I was tired at those moments and the words kept getting scrambled and stuff, after ten tries. Next time, I'l just use Ctrl F and find those specific changes to help with specific things that shouldn't be there, I just hope I don't collaps from exhaustion, but I'l try. --Vaati the Wind Demon (talk) 16:14, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Thecalling2002

Has evaded his/her block with Thecallinggrunge (talk · contribs). Can I know which user I was reverting? © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 23:27, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

I'm not surprised, this guy has made a ton of accounts, all doing the same exact thing, and then always acts blown away that I accuse him of doing it. I'm not sure I understand your question though. Are you asking which his original account was? Sergecross73 msg me 23:30, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

They wanna know who's the master behind the accounts in this SPI. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 23:48, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Haha, oh wow, I've blocked a bunch of those on that SPI list...and yet, there's so many more that I, or other Admin, before I was one, blocked that aren't on there. I'll have to look it up, I don't even remember the original name, he's been doing this for years under so many different user names. (And yet, has made little to no progress with any of their efforts.) Sergecross73 msg me 00:49, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Xbox One Edit warring over lead section "50% as powerful".

It was a troll instigating the edit warring, and kind of seems malicious to me. If you follow "Shrine Maiden" you can see what he/she was doing.—CKY2250 ^ταικ 14:34, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I've had several problems with her in the past. She doesn't always seem to have the best of intentions...but the discussion does seem like it could be a recurring problem. I could see many a fanboy trying to argue over its use, so it's probably good to have a discussion about it prevalent on the talk page (or archives). Sergecross73 msg me 14:38, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Then should a "do not edit, new comments make a new section" green background template be placed on the discussion?—CKY2250 ^ταικ 14:42, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

If you feel that's necessary, I have no problem with it. Even collapsing it, I'm not extremely against it, I just think it could maybe help avoid future problems if it were more openly readable. Sergecross73 msg me 14:46, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Talk:The Big Bang Theory

While this is not a formal move request, I has evolved to be a dispute. I would like to have a non-biased outside view. It was first not intended to be a move request. If you could read through this and it appears to be a good grounds for a formal move request, I will file for one. Make sure you read it entirely due to that nature of how I feel about the dialog. Thanks —CKY2250 ^ταικ 15:33, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

• I've looked it over some. I can see both sides to this one. On one hand, you're right, they're very similar, and one's clearly based off of the other. On the other hand, I can see their point too, albeit similar titles, disambiguation terms, like "(television show)" usually aren't assigned unless the titles are exactly the same. Also, sadly, the world cares more about sitcoms than science, so sometimes that happens when you're dealing with science vs. pop culture type scenarios.
• You're free to start up a requested move on it; worst case scenario is, it fails, right? They said its been discussed before; make sure it didn't close a like within the last few weeks, or it could be considered disruptive to retry again so quickly. Otherwise, consensus can change, so there's no problem in bringing it up again. (However, when you've got a few people who are against it strongly like they are, they may end up being the first couple !votes in the RM, which could direct the lest of the discussions if people see a bunch of "Opposes" right off the bat. But that can't be helped. Just saying it could happen. Sergecross73 msg me 16:39, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Cool thanks for the reply. There is no way my points would win so it may be best to not start it and waste more space on the wikipedia hard drives :P.—CKY2250 ^ταικ 16:52, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough, it may have been an uphill battle. Anyways, feel free to ask for help whenever. I've been in a bit of a busy patch, but still... Sergecross73 msg me 18:24, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Image opinion

I was wondering if you could give your opinion on an image I am questioning adding. Could you let me know which image you feel represents the Batman: Arkham page better: the one currently on the page, or this one at the top of the article? The one on the page now is more neutral, thus applying generally, but the one in the article, I feel, is a better representation of the main games, as it incorporates the design used by each. Thanks. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 23:42, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Sorry it took me so long to respond to this, but I agree. I think either is usable, but the "collection" is probably the best option, as its meant to represent the series a little moreso. Sergecross73 msg me 14:51, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Do admins ever review other admins

I have been watching this

• User_talk:Epicgenius#Stop
• User_talk:Epicgenius#Please_stop_following_me_around
• User_talk:Beyond_My_Ken#Your edit summary on Peter Stuyvesant

User:Epicgenius doesn't seem to be the harassor, he has only been editing pages and User:Beyond_My_Ken attacked him on his page. It seems like the admins that got involved had not went through all of the problems, page edits (why and what was changed). Then blocked him, vsus beyond my ken, who broke a WP:3RR and received no punishment on here WP:AN3. —CKY2250 ^ταικ 02:33, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

• I'm not familiar with either of these editors, but it seems like both of their interactions are a little more aggressive than necessary. BWilkins, the admin who blocked him, can be rather difficult to deal with as well. I'd rather sit this one out and not get involved. Hopefully they'll all just stop interacting with each other and move on.
• I've seen you say, in passing, that you're thinking about leaving Wikipedia. I hope you'll reconsider. Rather than getting caught up in this sort of nonsense, try to find something to work on that is of interest of you, and not a likely area of confrontation or contentious editing. (I personally tend to pick an obscure video game or band article, that's relative inactive.) Perhaps that will help you enjoy the project moreso? I mean, since we're not paid, or required to be here, the most important thing really is enjoying oneself.
• Sorry, I imagine this wasn't the help you were really asking for. Regardless, I hope you'll consider it. Feel free to keep talking to me about this or other things. Sergecross73 msg me 15:57, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Trouble in Canada (official languages)

Hi there,

Just wanted to ask for some assistance on the Canada article, someone is bizarrely holding up edits regarding what Canada's official languages are. If you'd be able to help, it would be most appreciated (see the talk page under "official languages"). Knoper (talk) 03:30, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Sérieusement!? ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 03:34, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Certes oui. Knoper (talk) 04:12, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Whoa, how'd I get wrapped up into this one? This is pretty far out of my area of expertise, not being a Canadian resident, or ever really working on articles about entire countries. The people you're arguing with do have a point though, unless the argument is over something truly ludicrous (like saying the official language is Klingon or something) then you should probably be adhering to WP:BRD and wait to make changes once there's a consensus on what to do... Sergecross73 msg me 13:54, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi there, just saw you were an admin (you commented on the page from someone from my region of Canada) and wanted an opinion. Thanks for the help, and sorry to bug you. Knoper (talk) 16:31, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

No problem, I was just curious :) - Sorry I couldn't help more, but I don't really know the content stuff, so I can really do is just give some advice on following policy/guideline stuff. If you guys aren't able to get a consensus, you could always try an WP:RFC, and/or ask for input from a relevant Wikiproject... Sergecross73 msg me 16:40, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Re: civility and personal attacks

No, I haven't, because I've never stooped so low as to mudsling! All I've gotten is folks like you telling me I have and waving the banstick, continuing to dodge and lie about the issue, as if this is all some giant game. There's absolutely no explanation for it except there's some kind of not-so-hidden agenda on someone's part (obviously not mine, I've been pretty honest). Clearly whoever it is doesn't (want to) understand this, but things like that are going to kill this place; it's already driven off or threatened to drive off many knowledgeable and courteous individuals.

I just want the hostility to stop, I want people to actually sit down and do research and debate how this place is supposed to work because all of these things are how Wikipedia is supposed to work. Please, all I ask is that you read what I say and at least try to discuss any given issue (if only because I have always shown that much respect to you and to everyone else)... or that you leave me out of your little games entirely. Despatche (talk) 20:03, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Look, plain and simple: You cannot refer to people as filth or autismal freaks PERIOD. Absolutely no circumstance justifies this. You've been warned, and anythings anywhere near that will lead to a block, because you know better, and these offense are extremely flagrant and offensive. Sergecross73 msg me 19:57, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Never mind that you're trying to say I've done something recent by pointing out something old I've done, YOU CAUSED THAT! From the beginning, it has always been this kind of dodging and grasping and lying to my face for the sole purpose of... what? Making sure I am completely irredeemable to any casual passerby? Why do you hate me so much, and why are you surprised when I show how much I hate you in return? Why are you allowed to freely do what I cannot?

How about we put aside something you should have confronted me about ages ago and talk about why you're bothering me now? Despatche (talk) 20:06, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

I have no idea what you're ranting about. I'm saying, no more personal attacks, or you're blocked. The end. Personal attacks, which is the equivalent of name-calling here, is something I've never done to anyone here. You have been warned about it many times. By myself, and KieferSkunk, for example. Its way out of line. Don't do it. That's all there is to be said on this, no other issue. Sergecross73 msg me 20:10, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

How about stop talking bullshit? Please! Stop bothering me about things that aren't actually happening, or about shit you should have dealt with a long time ago. Stop lying to my face and ignoring every little thing I say as if there are no problems whatsoever. You have not warned me about anything, because it's completely uncalled for and so you have no authority to do so. Despatche (talk) 20:18, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

The link just above, shows an example where I warned you for calling people "retarded". KieferSkunk, another admin, agreed it was a violation. Here's a link again. Also, The Stick Man just warned you about calling people "worthless bastards". Back in June 2013, Soetermans warned you about getting heated/profanity/ALLCAPS in discussions. I can go find more difs if I need to, but I know there's been many have warned you about your erratic/angry discussions in the past. Stop attacking people, and the problem is gone. Sergecross73 msg me 20:28, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

No, the problem is not gone, because you're bothering me about it now. Why now? What did I do? WHY DO YOU KEEP IGNORING WHAT I SAY? How hard is that to understand? If I seem like a "hostile" person, it's YOUR FAULT, because you keep pulling this TOTAL BULLSHIT. Despatche (talk) 20:29, 23 November 2013 (UTC)