User talk:Walter Görlitz/Archived Talk to 2014-12

Please watch for new Christian music articles - possible block evasion

Hello Walter,

I would like to ask that you watch for new music articles, especially Christian music articles, that are created or significantly expanded. There is a possibility that HotHat is evading their block. An account called AdditionSubtraction started editing a few days after HotHat/Bluedogtn was blocked, and I noticed eerie similarities in their editing patterns. AS primarily edited tennis and music related articles, as HotHat/Bluedogtn did, and like those of HotHat, the music related edits and article creations consisted mostly of review quotations. Even further, there were similar grammatical errors and awkward phrasing. I brought these suspicions up to AS, and the first time they blanked their talk page, laid low with their editing for a few days, and then resumed editing. I brought these questions up again, and AS at first gave a very evasive response, before telling me when I pressed them further that they "are not the same person as those editors." I hope that this editor was telling the truth and all of this was just a coincidence, and I told them so. But I still have my suspicions. As of October 3, 2014, AS has "retired", and just a bit ago notified me of this, stressing that this decision was not related to my questioning. So that may be the end of things. But I'd still like you to keep an eye out on new music related articles, in particular Christian music and album articles, as well as expansions to review sections. It may be that HotHat, if indeed they are behind all this, might be starting yet another account in order to evade detection. Sorry to bother you with all of this, but I'd like some more eyes on this.

Thanks,

--¿3family6 _contribs 04:01, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Sure @3family6: I'll keep an eye out and hopefully this is nothing to be worried about. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:06, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks again!--¿3family6 _contribs 04:08, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Release the Panic: Recalibrated

Despite the lack of participation, I've closed the AfD as a redirect to the ban's main article in accordance to WP:NALBUMS. Cheers. → Call me Hahc21 04:55, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Tommy1933

I've raised this user at WP:AIV, you might want to add some comments. GiantSnowman 12:47, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I was just about to do so. Walter Görlitz (talk) 12:49, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Ok (Tommy 13:52, 5 October 2014 (UTC))

RE: Articles for deletion/RIATest

Hi Walter,

I received your message about nominating RIATest article for deletion.

RIATest is a niche but known tool in its area (automated Flex testing). Here is for example an article about RIATest at Adobe Developer Connection: http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flex/articles/flex-testing-with-riatest.html

I was wondering what other information on notability I could provide or in what other ways I could improve the article to help it stay on Wikipedia.

Thanks,

Tn3273 (talk) 18:02, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

It may be a niche tool, but it has to have received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject.

Also, the talkback template is to be left on the other editor's talk page when you respond to material you've left elsewhere. I've removed it since you're discussing here. Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:47, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Regarding Quota (EP)

Walter,

If you want me to add prose to the genre selection (in regards to the given sources), give me an album article that showcases what you want/are talking about and I'll look into molding the Quota EP's genre to look as such if I can.

RhettGedies (talk) 17:09, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

• There are a few examples but I can't think of them. The Paradigm Shift and Invisible (U2 song) will have to be mediocre examples. Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:43, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Asked

Hi, can you tell me how to move a page is not protected to semi-protected? Excuse me, cause a lot of people anonymously who aren't responsible for the editing. Thankyou. (Tommy 11:38, 12 October 2014 (UTC))

It's explained at Wikipedia:Page protection. Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:00, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Linebreak

Hi,

I have seen you go around different pages fixing linebreaks with the edit summary replace all deprecated XHTML breaks with HTML 4 & 5 breaks and since I dont know that much about HTML (even if I am used to coding) I thought I should ask you about it.

The thing is that I have edited the linebreaks on many pages, especially when there has been different linebreaks on the same page so that the page is more consequent. In those cases I have always added and changed to <br /> but now I saw you changing to <br> so what is correct? I have read WP:LINEBREAK which is why I started as I did and it clearly states

Wikipedia currently renders HTML5 where <br> and <br /> are both valid. Normally HTML Tidy will convert a variety of versions of the break tag to <br /> including <br> and <br/> and some of the invalid forms like </br> and <br.>. This conversion does not work in a number of MediaWiki interface pages and can cause invalid HTML and problems rendering the page. Other wikis may not have HTML Tidy enabled, thus exported pages using an incorrect break tag will result in invalid HTML.

so to me it seems like we should use <br /> since all the others gets translated to that linebreak and when not HTML tidy enabled then translation may not work so it is best to use <br /> directly. Also both tags are valid in HTML5 so there is no reason for you to change a valid linebreak. QED237 (talk) 12:47, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

No we shouldn't. The type with the slash is for the now deprecated XHTML. About ten years ago, the trend on the web was toward XHTML. It used a more logical and correct HTML formatting that included XML elements. The web, and I believe wikipedia, is now moving away from that format to HTML 5. The tools and standards have simply not caught up. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:59, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Persib Bandung

Hi Walter, I would like to ask your opinion about the Persib Bandung article. As I said previously here, I have made a trimmed and corrected translated version of the article from the references mentioned there in my sandbox page here. I would like to know what you think about it.

I am also expecting some edit wars with some users, that I think you are also familiar, if I changed the real article with the one I made. How should I deal with the situation if the edit wars happened? Cheers!! MbahGondrong (talk) 00:08, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

It looks OK. The statements appear to be referenced. I would request some review at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football and ask them to comment on it in light of the article. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:39, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I will ask reviews from the others. MbahGondrong (talk) 01:03, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

I have updated the real article, lets see what will happen. MbahGondrong (talk) 06:32, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Persib Bandung 2

Hi , sorry Walter I know better here , because I am Indonesian , and I know very well about the Persib , and the article was all right . and also I hope you believe . and perhaps people who edit and delete him jealous because, one of which is affiliates of Persib. Thanks for the information. (AntiTheJakAremania (talk) 14:17, 15 October 2014 (UTC))

Glad to help. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:40, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!

Thankyou AntiTheJakAremania (talk) 14:19, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Demon Hunter Discography

Hi Walter. I have something to ask about the music videos section. I realized that two "music videos" for the album Extremist, "Artificial Light" and "The Last One Alive," were not featured in the music videos section of the page. I was not sure if these two videos counted as lyric videos, or actual music videos, so I didn't add them to the template. I was hoping you could shed a little light on this. Thanks in advance. Brobro264 (talk) 15:24, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

It looks like the "reference" for all of the videos is that they exist on YouTube, and you just added that. Before that there wasn't even that. There's no charting information. If it's an official band video, I think that or a Vimeo link is enough. What's your take? Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:43, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

I agree with you. I'll add them to it just for right now and if something goes wrong with them I'll just revert the edit. Thanks. Brobro264 (talk) 05:37, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

New York Derby

Sorry my ignorance of the difference between New York and New Jersey. I also had an edit conflict meaning I left the same edit summary twice. Bevo74 (talk) 16:00, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Not a problem. New York is in the name. There are several other sports teams in that region that have rivalries. A fair bit has been bade about it on the articles, but until we know for certain what the information is, and how the new Cosmos team fits into the picture, it doesn't make sense to edit other documents. It will be interesting though. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:46, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Asked

Hi, I want to ask, why is Arthur Irawan (footballer) there is no page in the search? Thankyou. (Tommy (talk) 17:01, 15 October 2014 (UTC))

I'm not sure what that means. he has an article: Arthur Irawan (footballer). If you mean "how long should it take for a newly created article to show in the search index?", I don't know. I suspect there's a process that runs periodically to deal with this. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:51, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

It turns out that the article in question was a recreation of an article that had been deleted through an AfD. There are guidelines that govern the creation of articles. You should probably investigate those before you recreate an article. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:35, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

User reviving not notable songs

Hello Walter. Old Time Music Fan revived the song Welcome Home (Sanitarium), which was a redirect to its parent album. I've clearly stated that the song fails WP:NSONG, on what he responded that "Wikipedia sucks" and that other Wikis worldwide have article on the song, which is a weak argument because they are mirroring the English edition. The article is poorly sourced with two refs, one of which is primarily source. Appreciate if you can assist on this one.--Retrohead (talk) 07:35, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

The first time it was redirected, it was done without discussion. All subsequent redirects were done without discussion. Let's open the discussion at an AfD. Walter Görlitz (talk) 10:41, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Persib Bandung 3

Hi, why page like a Suphanburi F.C., Buriram United Chonburi F.C., Selangor FA, Johor Darul Takzim F.C. And many others, very longer, but there is no reliable source. Weird. (AntiTheJakAremania (talk) 08:09, 17 October 2014 (UTC))

Are you saying you'd like me to look at those articles and apply the same vigilance on them that I have done on the Persib Bandung article? I would be glad to. Walter Görlitz (talk) 13:43, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

I looked at them. Of the five you listed, two already had citation needed tags. I added it to the other three. That will be enough for now. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:16, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

That 5 clubs was very little, many pages that do not sourced. Go unpunished. And if PERSIB not lie, there is source. And please please please don't undo or reverting. If you undo, i will undo again. And again. (AntiTheJakAremania (talk) 14:49, 17 October 2014 (UTC))

Yes, I understand your concern, but no one is punishing the Persib article or the club. We are keeping it in-line with WP:V and WP:RS. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:52, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Persib rudeness

I was less polite. Because my emotions. Because Persib reverting and reverting.  (AntiTheJakAremania (talk) 14:37, 17 October 2014 (UTC))

Actually, the other editor is trying to improve the article in-line with WP:V and WP:RS and you're reverting. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:52, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Reversion on List of Christian rock bands

How can you reconcile this edit with this description from the list itself? "....this list includes artists who work in the Christian music industry as well as artists in the general market, whose lyrics reflect their Christian faith or where members are identified, either self-identified or by a reliable source, as Christians. A band's own desire to be considered as part of the genre does not come into consideration. (Emphasis mine). Ἀλήθεια 14:02, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

It goes back to an agreement I made early on with a group of editors on the Switchfoot article. I stopped editing the article after I was shouted-down for trying to imply that they are a Christian band. I supplied sources. It didn't matter. I finally got a barnstar for my work, but the agreement was they are not a Christian band even though they had received Dove awards and nominations (for The Beautiful Letdown), performed at Christian festivals (at the time they had stopped doing that and then requested to start again). I threw up my hands and agreed to leave based on those terms. It appears as though those editors (likely band management at the time) have either left the article or had sufficient reason show them that they are wrong. Feel free to revert my edit. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:09, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

I would prefer you weigh in with agreement on my comment at the list article, and make the edit yourself. I believe this would demonstrate that we are in agreement and would help build consensus for future development of this article. I would also encourage you not to give up when you are editing based on sound principles. If the model of Wikipedia is ever to function at its highest capacity, we need more editors like you, not fewer. Ἀλήθεια 14:17, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Your preference is noted. You started a multi-front discussion. You can live with the consequences. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:38, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Suphanburi F.C.

Hi, that article does not cite any references, please see the page history.-- Tommy (talk) 08:26, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

There's a project that deals with this. Walter Görlitz (talk) 13:25, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Are you both going to target every football article in this way? References are clearly shown the season related articles that they go to... absurd to say no references are there? Why not target every other football club article aswell?? Druryfire (talk) 10:51, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

There's no "targeting" being done. The correct avenue for bringing up articles that are in a bad state is the project not my talk page. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:19, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Tommy1933 has been vandalising Thai football pages for 4 weeks now, and it seems like Walter Görlitz is helping/supporting him. Tommy1933 removes whole articles without valid reasons, and without discussions or notifications in advance. He also spams "not referenced" boxes on sections that are clearly referenced/sourced. Both of you have something against Thai football? SveinFalk (talk) SveinFalk (talk) 01:12, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi SveinFalk I don't vandalising, I just needs verification, you can add material, but only with reliable sources, and I do it, not in only Thai football pages, you can see my contributions. -- Tommy (talk) 02:56, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

@SveinFalk:. Do you have some diffs to where Tommy1933 has been either vandalizing articles and removing whole articles without valid reasons? I haven't seen either. Vandalism has a specific definition on Wikipedia. And the articles I've seen Tommy1933 remove material on have summaries such as those after October 18. If they're valid reasons, I'll support any editor, including you. If they're not, I'll oppose the editor, such as I did here and here. So let's drop the vague accusations and offer facts.

The only reason I'm even looking at those articles is because Tommy1933 added material to an article I watch and I reverted it. So you're way off-base. Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:31, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Redirecting at AfD

Hey Walter—I'm in the process of closing several of your music-related AfD noms as redirects and thought I'd leave a note here instead of repeating the same thing on multiple pages. If an article has a reasonable redirect, it shouldn't be brought to AfD unless the nominator (you, in this case) believes the article topic has a chance of being deleted outright. So articles like members/albums/songs of notable bands are fine redirect targets, and their merger/redirection can either be discussed on their article talk pages or just done boldly. In any case, they need not go to AfD if deletion is not actually on the table. czar ♔ 06:03, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Having tried both, I prefer the discussions that AfD offers. It avoids edit wars with "fan"dalists, however, I'll try it your way for a while. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:09, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

And then we have situations like this and this that result in comments like this. You'll see why your method doesn't work. I'm done. Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:30, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

I wouldn't call it my method, but it's how AfD suggests these things should go. However, in your example, the redirect should have gone to a talk page discussion per BRD without devolving into an edit war when it was reverted the first time. The idea is that edit wars never end well and that the simple misunderstanding could be solved locally before taking it to AfD.  czar ♔ 18:01, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

MLS Table Footer

Hey, I've been working on the MLS 2014 playoff article, and I really don't like the way that the current footers for the MLS Tables are set up. I've mocked up a footer template at User:Udeezy/sandbox2 (see example at User:Udeezy/sandbox) that has switches for the different tags in the key. It could be used for eastern, western, and overall tables. Before making the change and implementing it for the existing tables, I wanted to run it by someone. What do you think? Udeezy (talk) 21:42, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

I agree in principle. If you could make the East/West material conditional, that would be helpful, but you won't want the East material to be displayed in the West table and vice versa. Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:47, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

The way I have this set is that there's just a |e=yes parameter and a |w=yes parameter. If those parameters are included, then the (E1) and (W1) lines are included in the footer. I see it replacing Template:Fb_MLS_Eastern_Conference_club_footer, Template:Fb_MLS_Western_Conference_club_footer, and Template:Fb_MLS_club_footer. I'm not sure how to make it conditional on the other templates included, that's quite a bit beyond my ability. OK to go ahead you think? Udeezy (talk) 21:55, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Excellent! That will be enough. Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:58, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Cool, thanks for talking it over! Udeezy (talk) 22:01, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Icon For Hire

Hello Walter, I'm contacting you on behalf of the band Icon For Hire. We would greatly appreciate if you did not edit the changes we make to the Icon for Hire page, specifically about comparison to other female vocalists and religious affiliation. If you have any questions or concerns please feel free to respond to me. On the behalf of Icon For Hire, thank you very much. Ida IdaForHire (talk) 21:39, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Template:Comment from uninvolved editor Hello, Ida. I just put a welcome message on your talk page about conflict-of-interest. I highly suggest you explore the links found within that message.

Please note that the terms of use of Wikipedia requires you to disclose that you are editing for pay (I'm assuming you are, correct?), and that nobody owns any article on Wikipedia. This is because editing on Wikipedia is a collabortive process. This is true even if Wikipedia is a part of your income. --I dream of horses If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page. @ 23:03, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks I dream of horses. That's some of what I would have said.

Part of me wants to comment on how Icon for Hire is using their article for marketing purposes and to make a statement against their label. In the latter case I would argue that perhaps I should contact T&N and ask what their input into the dispute is. If it were about how much either the band or the label were willing to pay Wikipedia, I'm sure we'd know who has the deeper pockets. However, Wikipedia doesn't work that way. The information you're adding is controversial and should not be supported with a WP:PRIMARY source. It should be from a neutral third-party source who has examined both sides and gives factual evidence from both parties.

Then there's the referenced material that comparisons the band to other female-led rock bands and discusses their religious affiliation. With sources like those, it would be difficult to have an encyclopedic understanding of the subject without including them.

So while I understand and appreciate your request, I can't comply with it because Wikipedia's policies, guidelines and, ultimately, its goal get in the way. Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:59, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

AIV

Please stop reporting Druryfire to the AIV board. It's for obvious vandals only; if you're having an editorial dispute with another editor you need to follow the dispute resolution process. Thanks. Parsecboy (talk) 14:16, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Please stop telling me that restoring unreferenced material without explanation is not vandalism. Other editors who do that get blocked. You should be de-admined. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:18, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

It's not vandalism - WP:V only requires material be verifiable (which is to say that it's possible to be verified). Now, if the content the editor in question keeps adding is demonstrably false, then you'd have a case for calling it vandalism (still not obvious vandalism, which is the criteria for reporting at AIV) but you haven't alleged that it's false. Parsecboy (talk) 15:07, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Fine. Thanks. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:31, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Rainbow's End disambiguation page

Super-minor, but I can always learn: On the Rainbow's End disambiguation page (also for Rainbows End -- no apostrophe), I added a link for Vernon Vinge's name, following the model of the Martha Grimes novel just one bullet higher. You reverted mine for vandalism (certainly not intended) -- help me with your thinking. Why would the existing link to Martha Grimes be fine, but the link to Vernor Vinge be considered vandalism? Thanks in advance for your assistance. ResearcherQ (talk) 13:59, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

See MOS:DABENTRY. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:01, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Ok, cool, thanks for the link. Could/Should I unlink the Martha Grimes link on that page? ResearcherQ (talk) 14:07, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

No. The MoS reads:

Include exactly one navigable (blue) link to efficiently guide readers to the most relevant article for that use of the ambiguous term. Do not wikilink any other words in the line.

That meets the MoS. There's no article for the other entry's book/album/work and so we link to the creator. The second entry has a link to the work, so we don't link to the creator. Only one link per entry. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:10, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Got it -- good lessons, thanks for your patience -- on to my 3rd cup of coffee. ResearcherQ (talk) 14:16, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Persib and Inter That Affiliated

Read http://inilahkoran.com/read/detail/2152962/persib-akan-jajal-inter-milan persib will used inter facilities, training ground. Etc., you can translate the source Saya itu Ganteng (talk) 14:16, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

It does not say that at all. It says that Arsenal and Inter will play and that Persib is making a bid for something, but not that it is happening. Also, this needs to be discussed on the article's talk page. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:17, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

What? why Arsenal?

what the source mention arsenal?? Please translate all, and at the end of paragraph . Saya itu Ganteng (talk) 19:18, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Since I don't read Indonesian I used Google translate and it includes Arsenal. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:09, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Toronto FC/GA1

Toronto FC is in the process of being nominated as good article. Please review here: Talk:Toronto FC/GA1. Johnny Au _{(talk/contributions)} 03:31, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

SargentSignals

If they restore the content while the ANEW report is still up, mention it there (and ping me). If they start up after the report gets archived, let me know, and if they start with the abuse again, do likewise. I'm watching their pages as well. Acroterion (talk) 05:07, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Love Ran Red corrections

Hello,

First of all, thank you for all the help on the page. This was my first, and was actually a school project so I had little to no idea as to what I was doing. I do have a question regarding your edit to which album "Love Ran Red" is chronologically. I said ninth originally because I wasn't counting his Greatest Hits album, but I recently watched an interview with Tomlin in which he says it's his tenth album. What do you think should be on the page?

Again, thanks for the help!

RH1824RH1824 (talk) 03:42, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Simply clarification.

Say "ninth studio album" or "ninth studio release on sixsteprecords" if people want to argue his early indi releases count. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:18, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

What do you want

Hi, what do you want with User:MbahGondrong he removed because is a consenus. And you removed because unreferenced, and i already add references. But that section removing by User:MbahGondrong, In Performance AFC Competition, Persib. What do you want? MbahGondrong is depressed. Aku Indonesia (talk) 13:38, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you're talking about. If your references were challenged, discuss it on the article's talk page or take it to WP:RSN.

I'll remove material that has no reference only if it should be referenced. Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:06, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

This AfD

If you are a Metro Vancouver resident (as I think you have indicated), please feel free to make reply in the AfD above (for or against it) if you wish. You don't have to make a reply if you don't have any views, of course.

PS: In the City of Surrey Wikipedia article, I notice someone has said that the mayor here is now Linda Hepner apparently. I don't think this is true until she is officially installed as mayor. Best Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 22:26, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

MLS stadium map

Hey Walter, I have a new stadium map for the two new franchises. I was going to wait until after the MLS Cup to update it. Good thing you caught the change Roberto221 (talk) 05:07, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Commas

So, what's wrong with: "In 19--,"? By the way, I've noticed that Canadians and the British don't like the so-called Oxford comma (which is kind funny because the name comes from Oxford University). I personally use them when I'm writing, but I don't go around adding them when they're not there -- and I think that others shouldn't do the opposite either. --Musdan77 (talk) 00:01, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Nothing wrong with starting a sentence that way, it's just better style to save that. There was a guideline, essay or something that I read a few years back that suggested avoiding starting successive sentences or paragraphs with, "In {year}..." or "In {month}...". I can't remember the details, only the substance. I always thought it was a select few who like Oxford commas. My training was in APA style which is similar to The Chicago Manual of Style. Some differences from Wikipedia's MoS, and some similarities. Walter Görlitz (talk) 01:15, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Peer review of Mark Driscoll

I've started a peer review of the Mark Driscoll article. Since you've worked on that article before I would welcome your input. -Sigeng (talk) 22:30, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Response

Hi, look I got involved on the ANI. Don't mean any offence with anything said. I'm not on anybodies side of this. I utterly do not care what the results are. There are dispute resolution processes that can be used here to help move this on. An RFC, one of the many noticeboards and ect. I suggested they start a RFC. Get a consensus and move on. Simple as that.-Serialjoepsycho- (talk) 21:22, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

I did not perceive that you took offence or that you took sides. I hope that I didn't make it seem as though you had. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:30, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Not at all.-Serialjoepsycho- (talk) 06:12, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Poppy Tohill

Hi there Walter Gorlitz. I am replying to you regarding the changes I am continuously making on Brooke Fraser's wikipedia page and profile.

I manage the social media and online presence for this artist who the page is about and the changes I am making have been requested by her, so if you could please let me continue making these without changing them back that would be appreciated, as otherwise we will continuously keep doing this anyway, as the client this page is about does not wish to be associated with some of the previous acts and content that you are putting up on this page. Thank you and regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PoppyTohill (talk • contribs) 6:19, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Ah, that's a problem then. You should consider stepping away from the article. You've been removing referenced material that apparently "conflicts" with the image you're promoting and adding unreferenced material, not the least of which is genre. I have added a template to your talk page explaining how to avoid conflict of interest. If anything I have written here conflicts with that material, feel free to ignore my statements here.

As for your request, I'll support the changes if they can be supported with reliable secondary sources. The unexplained removal of her Dove nominations is very troubling. As is the removal of Category:Contemporary Christian music and Category:Christian religion-related songwriters. Also adding a source that doesn't mention the subject doesn't help. Walter Görlitz (talk) 07:27, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

In response to your answer--

Ah, that's a problem then. You should consider stepping away from the article. You've been removing referenced material that apparently "conflicts" with the image you're promoting and adding unreferenced material, not the least of which is genre. I have added a template to your talk page explaining how to avoid conflict of interest. If anything I have written here conflicts with that material, feel free to ignore my statements here. As for your request, I'll support the changes if they can be supported with reliable secondary sources. The unexplained removal of her Dove nominations is very troubling. As is the removal of Category:Contemporary Christian music and Category:Christian religion-related songwriters. Also adding a source that doesn't mention the subject doesn't help. Walter Görlitz (talk) 07:27, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

-- Thank you for that information. I understand you believe that the removal of these categories is troubling. However as an editor I am sure you agree with me that it is best to keep wikipedia pages up to date with information that is relevant and not outdated, and in the genre section where I have removed these from, this is because the person who this article is about, has re-invented their style and these genres are no longer relevant and are outdated. So could you please possibly put this into consideration? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PoppyTohill (talk • contribs)

@PoppyTohill: It's not irrelevent or outdated. The wikipedia biographical article on her is about her and her career. Her career in 2002 as well as 2014. -Serialjoepsycho- (talk) 08:27, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Agree. Take a look at any artist that has been around for more than a decade and their style is likely to have changed slightly. You will see multiple genres in their infobox and several genre categories included. They should all be discussed in the article, or at least in the linked album articles, and the subject's article is review of their entire career, not a promotional vehicle for the artist. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:39, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/PoppyTohill

Walter, thank you for opening this SPI, and for doing a good job in presenting the case. One thing for the future. Please don't template the involved parties' talk pages notifying them of the SPI. There used to be an option to do that in the opening instructions, although it was never required. However, for quite some time now even the option is no longer in the instructions. I think it's fair to infer that those of us who are heavily involved at SPI believe that a notification is not helpful and may even do harm. By the way, you are not alone in notifying users; some habits are hard to break. :-) Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:08, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

I will not use it any longer, and I will mention it at Twinkle. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:38, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Pep Guardiola

Walter, I think the best way to currently deal with this discussion at Talk:Pep Guardiola is to put a request for closure. You can do that at WP:AN/RFC. An uninvolved administrator will than come, read the presented arguments and asses the consensus based on them. Tvx1 (talk) 23:06, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

The RfC will take a month before closure. Let's let it play out. An RfC was requested of the other editor. Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:59, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Steven Beitashour

Hi Walter Görlitz. Please stop adding Category:Iranian Christians to this article. He practices fasting in Ramadan according to This Interview and said "My dad is Christian and my mom is Muslim so they don’t force me to do it, especially because of soccer. So I’m kind of halfway doing all of the traditions". He has not declared his own religion. Pahlevun (talk) 13:00, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Finally a reference. Thank you. Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:01, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Band members subsections

Hey, considering this edit on Blessthefall, are you following a specific guideline on that? I was looking for one but don't know where to find it.----MASHAUNIX 13:02, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

MOS:HEADING and convention. It's just not something important enough to have in the ToC. Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:03, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

MOS:HEADING doesn't say anything about this, and WP:Manual of Style/Accessibility#Headings actually seems to contradict it, stating: "Do not make pseudo-headings using bold or semicolon markup. Screen readers and other machines can only use correctly formatted headings. If you want to reduce the size of the table of contents (TOC), use {{TOC limit}} instead." In my opinion, the timeline should have a title, as it is an important part of the article that one may want to link directly to. I looked around on some featured band articles and they all seem to use a title for it.----MASHAUNIX 04:01, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

It doesn't say anything and it doesn't need to be in the ToC. The feature articles likely have more sections. let's remove the pseudo headings then. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:03, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Well to me it seems that it already is a convention to have titles for this section, even if it isn't in MOS, and I don't see how it is problematic.----MASHAUNIX 04:50, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Old Testament

I simply changed the caption to match the diagram, which showed "Lxx". I see the diagram is an SVG and have edited it to match the caption now. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 01:37, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Michael W. Smith career section

I started a discussion at Talk:Michael W. Smith about his career section, may I know your thoughts on it? Thanks.--Krystaleen 15:23, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Talk:Pep_Guardiola_discussion

I have opened the case for dispute resolution here. I look forward to hearing from you. SPACKlick (talk) 15:25, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

@Walter Görlitz: You haven't returned to this DRN discussion since it was opened. If we don't here from you by the 16th I'll likely close it. Is this OK with you?SPACKlick (talk) 14:24, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

@SPACKlick: I have returned but have seen nothing from the other party. The attacks have more-or-less stopped but the bad faith comments continue. An example is where I comment on the editor using insufferable rhetoric and the response is the claim that I stated that I called the editor insufferable. It seems that the topic will have to go to an RfC. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:41, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

A note

Just a note here on the new Surrey council. Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 20:26, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

• Dear Walter or Bearcat ?

I guess this message confirms the information above. But someone would have to do the edit that Hepner is Surrey's new mayor on December 8 and it won't be me as I don't edit much on Wikipedia. Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 22:44, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I don't know that I'll make the edit either, but agree that Monday is the time that Hepner will be inaugurated. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:46, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

• OK. Best Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 22:51, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

New MLS map

The new map looks good! It's perfect on IE11. You're going to have it edit when it needs editing cause I haven't discovered how the names are overlaid and stored. Roberto221 (talk) 01:52, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

It's pretty easy actually.

1. Start at Template:MLS stadiums map.
2. Edit the page.
3. An entry looks like this: {{Location map~|United States |lat=49.276667 |long=-123.111944 |label={{nowrap|{{small|[[BC Place]]}}}} |mark=Orange pog.svg|position=right}}
   1. The first part, Location map~, is the template name.
   2. Next is the "map" to use.
   3. Then latitude and longitude. You can usually find that in the article related to the subject.
   4. The label is the words. It's got some templates in there, nowrap, to prevent it from breaking, and small, to make it small. In the example it's BC Place and it's linked.
   5. The "push pin" mark that's used is next. Here it's an Orange circle.
   6. Finally whether the label should be to the right, left, top or bottom of the mark.
4. Add a new entry or adjust the existing entry based on the template.
5. Save it.

That's it. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:06, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! After this Holiday season is over and I have more time(I work for UPS, the shipping company), I'm going to convert my other stadium/arena maps(baseball, basketball, football, hockey, college bowl games). If I have any questions, I'll drop you a line Roberto221 (talk) 10:18, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Christmas

Hi Walter Görlitz, it's been a while since working together on the Underoath article! I hope you're doing well. I just wanted to let you know that your edit here inadvertently removed the rest of the article. You can take a look at it when you get an opportunity. With regards, Anupam^Talk 15:28, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! Fixed. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:30, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Thnx for the wittenburger ;) It was due to some precautions against the Spanish inquisition ;) Serten II (talk) 05:20, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Twelve Gauge Valentine

Dear Walter Gðrlitz,

I was wondering why Twelve Gauge Valentine was proposed for deletion.

I'm somewhat new to this so I really don't have

much of an idea what I'm doing. So if you could help me with that it would be much appreciated.

                          Signed- Metalworker14

I didn't prod or nominate it for deletion. The reason given at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Twelve Gauge Valentine (2nd nomination) is "No evidence of notability per WP:GNG. Some mention in metal sites and blogs, as the band does exist, but these sites are not reliable sources (e.g. user-submitted or fan sites)." I do agree that it should be deleted as the band doesn't meet WP:MUSIBIO, which is offers some concrete examples of the notability for bands and musicians. Those are over and above WP:N and WP:GNG. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:26, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

OK. I do agree they are a small time band. Though Shouldn't Their label's website be a reliable sight?

Reliable? Yes. Independent of the band. No. Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:30, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Ski Morin Heights

Thank you for your constructive edits on Ski Morin Heights! --J.B.M.D. 16:28, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

afd favor

Hi Walter, I came to ask a favor. I'm stepping away from a cluster of afd discussions, and was wondering if you might have time to glance them over yourself.

I know we've both disagreed and agreed on things, and so thought you'd be an great choice for a neutral eye. I wouldn't mind if you completely disagreed with my two-cents on the topic, but I would feel so, so much better if I knew a music editor with a firm grasp of GNG's nuances was in there doublechecking arguments, so in case a noob swarm appears, the topic gets a fair trial instead of falling victim to groupthink.

I'm frankly riled up by the nom's bias insinuation and just had a beef with the other editor, so if I even look at those topics right now I'm sure I'd say something mean and snitty and just muck everything up. :/

It's a busy time of year, of course, so if it's beyond your current focus I'd more than understand. Thanks! Earflaps (talk) 01:04, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Harrasment from a user

Hi, I hope you could help me as I really need to sort it out ASAP; I created my account today and I've done a few edits to Jagged Edge (group), various Rihanna articles etc etc and the user Binksternet has accused not only me but another user called Stanlyfe of being a sock puppet of a user called MariaJaydHicky; they have not only reverted all my edits he has accused me of being that user and when I wrote back why are they doing that they reverted my edits and have got the pages I've edited protected under sock puppetry can you please get them blocked as I find their behaviour harrasing and downright out of order and I am afraid no matter what I'll edit they'll revert it can you please help me? Muicfantasy (talk) 21:15, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Philadelphia Fury

Hey Walter thanks for your help on this one. I'm going to be away for a few days and was wondering if you could link up all the old players to the new/correct page? As I'm sure you know, they're all in the Category:Philadelphia Fury players page. I suppose that cat. may need to be changed as well? Merry Christmas to you and yours. Regards, -Creativewill (talk) 15:07, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

If I have the time, I'll see what I can do. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:34, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Season greetings

		Merry Christmas + Happy New Year
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Dishonest edit summary

"revert unexplained removal of content" - there was no such thing. You need to either learn to read edit summaries, or to tell the truth in your own edit summaries. Making false claims like that is not acceptable. 82.33.71.205 (talk) 21:50, 24 December 2014 (UTC)