Talk:Orange (fruit)

Information lacking

• Varieties

Other varieties of common oranges: long list, but not even a brief description of some of the varieties. Just where they come from or are cultivated.

History: why is Chinese statement made when there is ZERO facts to support this claim. It is a complete fraud? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.1.216.24 (talk) 01:59, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

I think the Chinese origin is fairly well-documented, though I don't have my copy of Oranges by John McPhee handy right now. Reify-tech (talk) 02:11, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Hamlin: the book used for referencing (Webber, Herbert John, rev Walter Reuther and Harry W. Lawton, Willard Hodgson (1967–1989) [1943]. The Citrus Industry, Horticultural Varieties of Citrus [1]) is from 1989. Out-of-date info, perhaps? It is not out of date as to the origins of the Hamlin variety, as that has not changed.

• Scope: Mainly mentions of US and Brazil cultivars. What about the rest of the world? The US and Brazil produce +90% of the world's commercial orange juice, and so most knowledge databases relate to production in Brazil and Florida. Varieties in California, Mexico and other states in Central America mirror those of Brazil and Florida.

I'm no expert, just a humble copy-editor. --Cocolacoste (talk) 09:57, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

• Nutritional value

I've just come across this FAO page about the nutritional and health benefits of citrus fruits ([2]). It could be useful for expanding this section. --CocoLacoste talk 02:19, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Oranges by John McPhee

This book is a well-written, interesting treatment of many aspects of the fruit. Wikipedia says that John McPhee is "an American writer, widely considered one of the pioneers of creative nonfiction". He is widely respected for his engaging writing style, while still thoroughly researching his subjects. The book, written in 1967, is still a classic though a few things likely have changed since then. It is noteworthy enough that I may dig up some reviews and add a brief mention of it to the article. Reify-tech (talk) 02:53, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

"Orange"

The usage and topic of "Orange" is under discussion, see Talk:Orange (word) -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 04:47, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Spelling error?

Mandarin orange (Citrus reticulata) is an original species of citrus, and is the proginator of the common orange.

Shouldn't that be progenitor?

 Fixed Yes, good catch. Fixed now. Thanks very much. Softlavender (talk) 05:47, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

RM

Orange (fruit) → Oranges – Here's my question. Can we use plurals in an attempt to avoid parentheses, as per WP:D's advice to use natural disambiguation?

I know that in general, we avoid using plural titles. (I have either written or rewritten most of the guideline on plural titles, WP:PLURAL. I know the rules.) But I can't help but think--wouldn't this be a nice, convenient and natural way to avoid having the parenthetical disambiguator in the title? (Obviously, oranges already redirects here.) Couldn't we change the rule?

I know this is currently not something we have done at Wikipedia, but I wanted to hear from y'all--is this a good idea? Should we put articles at plural titles to avoid having to disambiguate them unnecessarily?

Thanks for your time and consideration. Red Slash 22:49, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose just from a quick look Apple, Grape, etc. are all singular. The only reason for the parentheses here is because orange (colour) is too significant and orange is a disambiguation.--☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 00:06, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose. This is wrong in so many ways. The first being that plural wikilinks are formed on Wikipedia by typing and linking the SINGULAR form and then adding the "s" next the the wikilink code. Softlavender (talk) 00:22, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

• Comment Curiously, when people talk about apples and oranges its often in the context of talking about difference and distinction. Britannica presents apple (fruit and tree) and orange (fruit)

However they do come in varieties. The categories are: Category:Oranges and Category:Orange cultivars GregKaye 02:05, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose. I'd rather not establish such precedence of trying to avoid a parenthetical disambiguation by changing it to a title that does not comply with another article title rule or guideline like WP:PLURAL. That just seems to be moving the problem to a different rule. Zzyzx11 (talk) 02:45, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose I appreciate what you're going for, but this is a bit like using non-common middle names to disambiguate. WP:NATURAL is great, but it usually needs to be subordinate to other naming conventions. --BDD (talk) 14:42, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose. Agree with ☾Loriendrew☽, the disambiguation is required due to orange (colour). Zarcadia (talk) 16:48, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose. The common usage of "orange" as a color should not cause a bizarre change in the article name that will confuse readers more than the current situation. Reify-tech (talk) 17:44, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
• Speedy close In ictu oculi (talk) 01:23, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose the fruit is not generally referred in the plural sense.--70.27.228.231 (talk) 02:39, 15 May 2015 (UTC)