Talk:Bon Jovi

Discography and certification questions

I'm running on incomplete data for approximate sales of the albums. I'm relying on Gold/Platium certification data from the RIAA, this is both generally out of date and will be artificially low when international sales are taken into account. Data for O.W.N. and Bounce are not yet availible, though Bon Jovi is saying 160,000 for Bounce's first week. nknight 21:54 Oct 24, 2002 (UTC)

64.175.250.138, is there any particular reason you deleted Crossroad from the discography? I'm readding it for now. nknight 14:04 Nov 22, 2002 (UTC)

Bounce did sell 160,000 copies in its first week. But i'am upset because there has been no recent certification for the bands previous albums, they're still saying they sold only 34 million albums in the u.s. when if you look at actual sales its now up to about 45 million albums sold in the u.s. Such as slippery when wet they are still saying it is certified 12* platinum when it has now sold like 13.9 million copies in the u.s. it should be certified 14* platinum. The certifications should be updated. The riaa is slow on certifications user:slippery89

Original means not on any prior release

83.23.217.83 added You Give Love a Bad Name from Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back to the "Original songs appear on" section of the discography on Oct 22, 2005. It was Bad Medicine that appears in that movie/on that soundtrack, but regardless neither of the songs belong in that section because they were previously released on proper Bon Jovi albums.

I'm removing it, until someone can give a good reason the correct song should be displayed.

Worldwide sales

Can Somebody write Total sale for every album?

Bon Jovi not Hard Rock

I don't know why people always revert it but Bon Jovi is obviously not a Hard Rock band. AC/DC is a Hard Rock band, Metallica is a Hard Rock band. What do they have in common? Nothing at all. And this article is way too biased. Sounds like a Zine article. Virus of Profanity 16:31, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Their inclusion in the genre is well referenced. Removing it is POV. 156.34.142.110 17:53, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to add that it's a bit ridiculous to call Bon Jovi metal. They fit best into the arena rock category.

Hard Rock doesn't only restrict itself to near-metal bands. You're forgetting about bands such as Heart, Incubus, and Queen are all considered Hard Rock, and Bon Jovi is harder than any of these three, so the genre fits. BreakerLOLZ 03:50, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Bon Jovi were metal in the 1980s, lots of citations would agree with this as well. James25402 18:41, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

They are classified as hard rock, says David Bryan. They are not pop rock. You can't call Arctic Monkeys or Kaiser Chiefs rock, and call BJ pop rock. BJ is harder than both those "bands", so BJ is hard rock, or rock. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheseDays4ever (talk • contribs) 11:34, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

If Queen and Bon Jovi are hard rock, then i don't like the definition of hard rock. I DEMAND THAT IT BE CHANGED! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.13.76.11 (talk) 03:37, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

im glad someone put heavy metal back because its true71.17.42.3 (talk) 23:08, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Umm, bon jovi is definatly hard rock because if you have the new jersey or crossroads C/D listen to bad med, and lay your hands on me. Then tell me that there not hard rock. but they ARENT a metal band and in the 80s they were hard rock ok. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.227.223.115 (talk) 04:59, 11 May 2009 (UTC) Ok, AC/DC was hardly heavy metal so what the hell makes you think that Bon jovi is heavy metal. Bon jovi wer Glam metal at their heviest and they were more rock/pop rock rather than Hard rock! KISS was hard rock NOT bon jovi! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.12.174.87 (talk) 10:38, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Are you kidding me? Kiss is about as heavy as BJ. Bon Jovi is hard rock, obviously all you listened to is Thank You for Loving Me or Bed of Roses or something. Kiss also had God Gave Rock n' Roll to You, a pop song. Such a double standard around here! Even ACDC had "Love Song". I will argue that some of their songs are heavy metal like Undivided and alot of the ones on 7800 Fahrenheit. 108.81.33.59 (talk) 00:39, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Genre

the information on this page is innaccurate and the moderators keep deleting my post because they hate being wrong or something. bon jovi is not a hard rock band they are anything buy hard rock. it's so freaking obvious just look at wikipedia's def of hard rock and listent to bon jovi and the answer is right ther. also BJ themsleves never said they were hard rock. this onformation is so blatently wrong. so damn wrong. i believe there is some vand bias going on or something./ it's fishy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.166.218.5 (talk) 22:00, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the person below. Bon Jovi is so mot a hard rock band. They are a Hair Band or a Metal band or just a rock band. This article is sayin that they are a Hard Rock band just like another wiki articles says Gun N Roses are a hard rock band. So what you people are tell me is that Guns N Roses are the same genre and sound music wise? Have any of you ever listend to either Bon Jovi or Guns N Roses? This needs to be fixed. The moderators will not let it be adjusted. They keep deleting the correction I make and accuse me of vandalism. There is some weird bias going on. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.166.218.5 (talk) 15:24, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

There are sources to say Bon Jovi are hard rock. It doesn't matter if they never said they're hard rock, reliable sources show they are hard rock as well as hair metal. And they don't have to sound like GN'R to be hard rock - hard rock is a wide term... Aerosmith, T. Rex, GN'R and Bon Jovi are all hard rock but they don't sound the same. Funeral 15:33, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

I have a question for the previous 205.X IP. Since you are the same person who posted both comments above... what type of internal mind conflict would have arisen had you disagreed with your own statement posted on Nov. 20??? and is talking to yourself a common activity?? Funeral is correct. Wikipedia is all about verifiable content from reliable sources. Personal opinions have no place here. 156.34.208.51 (talk) 16:24, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Get a fucking life, Bon Jovi are definately hard rock/glam metal, anyone who disagrees has either some serious issues with anything that is popular and/or commercial or has no knowledge of recent music history. Bad Company/Queen/Free/Nazareth/Van Halen were also called hard rock and sound nothing like GNR. Try harder than attacking the band's image.

Why the hell has glam metal been constantly removed for the past few weeks? Classic Bon Jovi is SO glam, whether the band is "metal" or not. In addition, everybody on the talk page and many editors support glam metal being there, so removing it is currently against the consensus anyway. And all websites and critics today say they're glam too. Angry Shoplifter (talk) 20:17, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Again, one of you anti-glam users explain why. Remember, traditionally and currently, the consensus favors glam metal, and the band is so widely considered as so that removing it is POV. Angry Shoplifter (talk) 02:35, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

What the hell are some of you guys smoking? How is Bon Jovi not a hard rock band? And they WERE a glam metal band in the 80s. Keep the Faith, These Days and later on are anything BUT hair metal. I get the feeling some of you guys don't know jack about music genres. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.81.33.59 (talk) 00:29, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Dangerous Curves?

Not sure this should be in there, not yet at least. Its (future) existence is denied by the bands official sources as of 28/11/08.

Album covers

In the articles "Tokyo Road: Best of Bon Jovi" and "In Brazil: LP" you should put a photo of the covers of the two albums.

New suggestion

I'm proposing a new idea here; we simply change the infobox 'genre' section to 'Rock', while we add a separate 'Musical style and genre' subheader above the band members, similar to what is used on the Paramore and The Beatles pages. It might read something like this:

Bon Jovi's musical style has generally been characterized as 'Hard Rock', 'Pop/Hair Metal', 'Arena rock' and 'Pop rock', although the band has also experimented and varied from these genres at times.

The band initially released albums blending the Pop metal and Hard rock genres, although they had mostly shed the Pop metal sound by their 5th studio album, Keep the Faith, opting for a more pure rock sound; this style was also used to their following album, These Days. Allmusic has characterized their 7th studio album, Crush, as 'far enough into pop/rock to actually stand a chance of getting airplay', while follow-up Bounce was described as 'heavy, serious rock'. Have a Nice Day was also characterized as being heavier than Crush.

The band altered their sound dramatically in the album Lost Highway, a Country Rock album, and The Circle was described by Allmusic as 'conjured by echoed, delayed guitars, shimmering keyboards, and spacious rhythms'.

Yes, I know there are no sources; I'll link them if this is approved. I figure this is a reasonable compromise that gives pretty much everyone what they want, but feel free to give your opinions and such. :) Toa Nidhiki05 22:51, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

This actually seems like a good idea, I'm all for it. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 02:17, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Alright; if anyone has some objections with this, please say so. Otherwise, I'll add this up in around 3 days or so and request the RfC closed. :) Toa Nidhiki05 03:11, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Hey, sorry I've not commented for a few days. This seems like a pretty good idea. 'Genre' sections on infoboxes always have this massive ability to cause edit wars and content disputes (see above for a case in point) and I think that's due to the simple fact that you can't boil down a musically diverse and complex band or (in this case) a 30 year career down to just a word or two. I suspect that most readers do, and perhaps more editors should, take the 'genre' section with a pinch of salt. I like this idea of taking it down to the very basic level of 'rock' and then explaining further in another section (kind of wish I had thought of it!) Maybe it's worth including a section link in the infobox itself to the Musical style section? Bob House 884 (talk) 14:14, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

I agree also. Genre sections on musical acts are a quagmire, no one ever thinks they're ever right. This seems like a good idea to me, although I don't think we need the "see also" link in the infobox. The infobox is just a quick summary of the article, it's assumed that if you want more details, you'll read the rest. Nice job on the compromise, everyone. Dayewalker (talk) 03:01, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

I agree we need a "see also" next to it. Jamcad01 (talk) 09:11, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

WILL SOMEBODY PUT A PICTURES OF THE BAND FROM PAST TO PRESENT BESIDE THE ARTICLE/SUBTITLES/PHARAGRAPH. READERS WILL SEE HOW BON JOVI LOOKS EVOLVED SINCE THEIR LONG HAIRED SPRAY SPANDEX JEANS TO COWBOY HATS TO JONS CUTTING HAIR TO RICHIE MUSTACHE TO JONS' SLASH HAIR IN CRUSH ALBUM TO CIRLCES HUNK LOOKING GUYS.WHATEVER. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.106.53.58 (talk) 07:43, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Genre

Can we please change "Rock" to "See Genre" and put a link to Musical Style/Genre? Jamcad01 (talk) 08:16, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

If no one replies within a few days then I will be changing it. Jamcad01 (talk) 07:26, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject Bon Jovi proposal

I have proposed the creation of a WikiProject Bon Jovi here. If you would like to join or give input, please comment there. Thanks! Toa Nidhiki05 19:50, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Genre

Ok, I reckon the genre needs to be changed from "Rock" to "Rock (See Musical Style/Genres)" Please reply if you support or oppose the idea. Jamcad01 (talk) 03:29, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

The infobox is meant to be a brief summary of the artist; Rock is general enough to describe what they do, and the rest can be fleshed-out in the article body. Radiopathy •talk• 17:57, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Sorry I meant "Rock (See Also)" Jamcad01 (talk) 07:07, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Rock is probably the most unhelpful attempt to describe their genre. I could honestly see adding glam metal (Rise to fame, two of their 4 number one singles, best selling album, and early image are all characterized by this genre), hard rock, and perhaps country/southern rock. Soxwon (talk) 00:38, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

I'd support all but country or southern rock, since that was only one album - Hard rock, Pop metal, and Rock, perhaps? Jamcad01's is good as well. Toa Nidhiki05 00:45, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Ok let's have a vote.

1. Just "Rock"

2. "Rock (See Also)" (I vote for that one)

3. Glam Metal, Hard Rock & Rock.

Everyone one will have one week to vote. Whichever one comes on top will be the one that is going to be used. Jamcad01 (talk) 07:35, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

I vote for #2. Jamcad01 (talk) 07:37, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

I'd go with number #3. Soxwon (talk) 15:26, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Anything but #2 as do not want to go hunting for the info. Keith D (talk) 15:55, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Ok time's up. I will add #3 to the Genre list. Jamcad01 (talk) 08:55, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Sigh, genre talk (heavy metal)

In looking through the NUMEROUS discussions on genre, it looks like there is consensus that BJ is not a heavy metal band, which I 100% agree with. It appears that heavy metal has snuck back in as a genre in the infobox. Am I reading this discussion wrong, or should heavy metal be removed as a genre? I don't want to remove it myself as it seems that this is genre discussion on this page has a long history, so I will leave that up to you folks that have a stronger interest in this topic than I do. DFS (talk) 19:50, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

It should be, yes - Bon Jovi are only metal insofar as their association with 80s pop metal, which is just as rooted in pop as in metal. I believe the consensus has been hard rock and maybe pop/glam metal are the genres to be included. Toa Nidhiki05 19:53, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Bon Jovi

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Bon Jovi's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "riaa":

• From Leona Lewis discography: "RIAA Gold & Platinum". Recording Industry Association of America. Retrieved 23 August 2011.
• From Bon Jovi discography: "RIAA Gold & Platinum". Recording Industry Association of America. Retrieved 2009-10-23.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 15:02, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

AWARDS

The awards section on the main page should have its own page and not take up 15% of the main page. It does not add any real value to the Bon Jovi wiki page.

Missing Number

Isn't there a number missing in the sentence "New Jersey peaked at number in both the US and UK" in the New Jersey part of the History section? 212.110.123.36 (talk) 10:27, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Bad unclear wording

Under the section New Jersey & Heiatus - 'Jon took on the quarterbacking responsibilities himself by closing ranks and creating Bon Jovi Management'. I don't have a clue what 'quarterbacking responsibilities' or 'closing ranks' mean in this contextMr Morden76 (talk) 21:57, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Targeted by the NRA

http://www.rttnews.com/2057536/nra-puts-bon-jovi-on-list-of-enemies.aspx

Is being under the gun notable? Hcobb (talk) 16:48, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

I'd question the reliability of that source since the list does not include Bon Jovi, but rather Jon Bon Jovi - aside from that, organizations have lists of people who oppose them quite often, it isn't really too notable. Toa Nidhiki05 17:03, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Richie Sambora

Please discuss this issue [1] and come to some consensus regarding the text. Thank you. -- — Keithbob • Talk • 23:14, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

In this article (gutter press, by the way), Richie Sambora's merely referring to coming back on the tour he's currently not attending because of personal reasons (see official Bon Jovi website). It's never been stated anywhere, at any time and by anyone that Richie Sambora is no longer a member of Bon Jovi. Phil X is only replacing him on the current tour. Jessycardy (talk) 00:25, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment Jessy. Sambora is listed as a current member of the band. Which sentence(s) in other sections do you feel need to be changed? and what new text do are you suggesting? -- — Keithbob • Talk • 13:47, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

There were two sections on the article where you could see the vandalism, but as of this very moment, the article seems to be fixed. I don't think there's anything else that needs major improvement, but if I find something, I'll make sure to post about it here. Thanks! Jessycardy (talk) 21:39, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

That's great Jessy, thanks for joining in the discussion and working this out :-) -- — Keithbob • Talk • 15:58, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Yes, but unless I've missed it, there doesn't seem to be any mention in the article that Sambora is not playing on the current world tour. See [2] for a non-gutter press source. At the very least, the article needs to reflect that. --Viennese Waltz 07:32, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

The article now says that Phil X has replaced Richie Sambora as a band member, however this is simply not confirmed yet. Yes there has been a so-called split in the band, and Richie is not touring with the band, but Phil is simply filling in for Richie's absence as he did back in 2011. Beyond that is all this speculation regarding monetary issues etc. that is simply that - speculation. I feel the article should only reflect what we 'know' rather than what we 'suspect'. 20K-Man12 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:08, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Part 2

Until there is an OFFICIAL statement by either Bon Jovi (the band) or Sambora himself, we can't go by "reports" despite the sources. Without an official statement, it's speculation and rumors. We are an encyclopedia, not a newspaper, not a blog, not a breaking news site. There are conflicting "reports" in this news article alone. 03:27, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

First of all, it doesn't matter what "the horse's mouth" reports as long as we have multiple WP:SECONDARY sources that confirm the issue. Here they are: CBS News, Global News, Herald Sun and USA Today. The NY Daily News article tells us about a single anonymous source that denies Sambora's departure, but that is trampled by the presence of all this coverage (which I pulled from the first page of Google searching Richie Sambora). Finally, I don't need permission to revert BLP violations (it's a notable exception of the 3RR policy), but I'm discussing this out of courtesy. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 03:48, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

They are all echoing the same thing from another "report" by another news source, so no, that doesn't work. Courtesy? Okay, sure. Revert it again and see if any of the patrolling admins agree with you. Jauerback^dude?/_dude. 03:54, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm with Jauerback, it's not official. Multiple sources means nothing when they're all quoting the same "original" article from RumourFix, which, BTW, says "fired from the TOUR", not the band. Phil X is NOT a member of Bon Jovi, neither is Hugh McDonald. - Iceman (talk) 07:55, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 6 September 2013

Please amend the error stating Phil X is the bands guitarist,he is not! Richie Sambora maybe taking a time out but he is still officially the lead guitarist, Phil X is a guest not a member of the band.

Wyken13 (talk) 22:19, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

You need to be more specific as I don't see where it still says that in the article. Jauerback^dude?/_dude. 00:04, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

In the first paragraph... This guy is right, Richie is still part of the Band and always will be! — Preceding unsigned comment added by SCOTLANDREW (talk • contribs) 20:10, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Done. I'm not sure how I managed to miss that before. Jauersock^dude?/_dude. 15:16, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Change the genres already!

The discussion over the genres have been ongoing and the consensus is they are Hard Rock first, Pop Rock, Glam Metal (they were early on, but not since the 80s) and I will argue Heavy Metal because they do have a number of Heavy Metal songs/albums. But simply leaving the primary genre for this band "glam metal" makes no sense because of what they are today. Also "rock" is too generic for me. Bottom line, the primary genre for this band should be hard rock. Basically the way it is on Jon Bon Jovi's wiki page is how it should be for the band itself.

Semi-protected edit request on 12 June 2014

bon jovi have sole 130 million records world wide. reference is bonjovi.com 146.90.234.12 (talk) 09:18, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not cited a reliable, independent, source to back up your request. Bonjovi.com is clearly not independant. - Arjayay (talk) 09:55, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 October 2014

Wrong links in 'History'-'Third Hiatus' section. Please change incorrect links located on second paragraph. It must link New Jersey (album), not New Jersey state nor Sons of Beaches (Australian Crawl album). 61.108.14.235 (talk) 02:11, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Done Stickee (talk) 03:21, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Genre

The article says Bon Jovi is Glam metal, Hard rock, and Rock but honestly, I think Heavy metal should be added in. While many of Bon Jovi's songs have a hard rock or Hair metal sound, a few, such as You give love a bad name definitly have a darker, dirtier sound closer to Heavy metal. I think Alternative metal should be added too because the album "Bounce" and several subsequient albums had a more alternative rock/alt metal sound. I mean, I honestly don't know what genre you'd call Bon Jovi. I know he's definitely rock, glam metal and hard rock, but Bon Jovi experiments so much and is influenced by so many different genres including country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.70.61.230 (talk) 02:37, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

If you are not pointing to published opinions to support your suggestion then you don't have any leverage. Binksternet (talk) 21:29, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 August 2015

Bon Jovi has sold over 135M albums world wide and performed nearly 3,000 shows to more than 32M fans around the globe. Kerri921 (talk) 14:42, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not requested a specific change in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
More importantly, you have not cited reliable, independent, source to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article.
And, as noted above, Bonjovi.com is clearly not an independent source. - Arjayay (talk) 15:13, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Richie Sambora is not officially a past member!!

Sorry to see that guys. I don't know who the admin is but this is not correct. Jon never said that Richie is no longer member of the band. I think you should bring him back in his place even if he isn't present at that moment with the band. Thank you. Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.251.109.44 (talk) 10:50, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

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Jon's Mullet

How can an entire article about Bon Jovi fail to even mention once that he's the King of Mullets? Sheesh!

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/pictures/number-one-with-a-mullet-20010720/jon-bon-jovi-76284360

66.57.50.6 (talk) 17:53, 4 October 2015 (UTC)