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This section of the article is pretty unsatisfactory: it doesn't seem to note any findings that the attack was in fact a war crime, and contains considerable OR. Googling "attack on pearl harbor war crime" also doesn't produce anything which confirms such a claim. The war crime was the much broader issue of starting an aggressive war (for which several of the key figures were convicted of by the [[International Military Tribunal for the Far East]]), and this has somehow been simplified into declaring that attacking Pearl Harbor was a war crime. [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] ([[User talk:Nick-D|talk]]) |
This section of the article is pretty unsatisfactory: it doesn't seem to note any findings that the attack was in fact a war crime, and contains considerable OR. Googling "attack on pearl harbor war crime" also doesn't produce anything which confirms such a claim. The war crime was the much broader issue of starting an aggressive war (for which several of the key figures were convicted of by the [[International Military Tribunal for the Far East]]), and this has somehow been simplified into declaring that attacking Pearl Harbor was a war crime. [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] ([[User talk:Nick-D|talk]]) |
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Life Photo of Japanese Soldier Bayonetting a Chinese Person: Dead or Alive?
The caption of the photo taken by the Life photographer of the Chinese person being bayonetted by a Japanese soldier, says the victim is dead. I question whether the victim is dead or alive based on the position of the arms and shape of the hands, and that the head is blindfolded. Unless rigor had set in before they propped up the corpse, I'd expect the arms and hands to look more limp. Additionally, at least one source[1] states Japanese combat soldiers were indoctrinated by bayonetting a live person.
Can an expert of some sort review this photo to verify they are actually dead? Otherwise please consider revising the caption.
- The victim was dead at the time of the practice according to the caption from Life magazine in 1937. The caption says "Bayonet practice, wherein Japanese soldiers used dead Chinese for targets, was photographed by an Associated Press photographer near Tientsin on Sept. 9"
- Morris-Suzuki, Tessa (2005). The Past Within Us: Media, Memory, History. Verso. p. 75. ISBN 1859845134.
- I can't speak to the authenticity of this particular photo, but in Zen At War, Brian Daizen Victoria quotes at length the memoir of a Japanese businessman who turned conscientious objector during the war upon being ordered, with his entire basic training unit, to practice bayonet technique on live Chinese prisoners in precisely the fashion depicted in the photo. Given this uninterested and highly reliable independent testimony, the Life caption may at least be questioned. Perhaps the victims were dead at the moment the shutter was tripped, but bound alive. Laodah 00:30, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
- I agree the Life's caption may not be so accurate to describe what might have happened as showed in the photo. STSC (talk) 16:49, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
Pearl Harbor
How was attacking a military and naval base a war crime? (Fghf12 (talk) 18:48, 7 December 2015 (UTC))
- There was no prior declaration of war, which violated the Hague Convention. --Yaush (talk) 19:05, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
- The US hasn't declared war on anyone since 1942, despite being continually at war. (Fghf12 (talk) 19:08, 7 December 2015 (UTC))
- And your point is? Under the accepted international norms of the day, the attack was a war crime. The world has gotten messier since then. --Yaush (talk) 19:15, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
- I don't see how not declaring war before attacking a military base can be considered a war crime. It certainly wouldn't today. (Fghf12 (talk) 19:18, 7 December 2015 (UTC))
- Times change. So do the accepted rules. Sinking an unarmed enemy merchant ship without warning was once against the rules, too; that pretty much died about the same time as the Pearl Harbor attack. For a fuller discussion, you can look here: http://pwencycl.kgbudge.com/G/e/Geneva_and_Hague_Conventions.htm --Yaush (talk) 20:58, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
- The article should note that attacking a military/naval base would not be considered a war crime today. (Fghf12 (talk) 19:51, 11 December 2015 (UTC))
- Times change. So do the accepted rules. Sinking an unarmed enemy merchant ship without warning was once against the rules, too; that pretty much died about the same time as the Pearl Harbor attack. For a fuller discussion, you can look here: http://pwencycl.kgbudge.com/G/e/Geneva_and_Hague_Conventions.htm --Yaush (talk) 20:58, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
- I don't see how not declaring war before attacking a military base can be considered a war crime. It certainly wouldn't today. (Fghf12 (talk) 19:18, 7 December 2015 (UTC))
- And your point is? Under the accepted international norms of the day, the attack was a war crime. The world has gotten messier since then. --Yaush (talk) 19:15, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
- The US hasn't declared war on anyone since 1942, despite being continually at war. (Fghf12 (talk) 19:08, 7 December 2015 (UTC))
This section of the article is pretty unsatisfactory: it doesn't seem to note any findings that the attack was in fact a war crime, and contains considerable OR. Googling "attack on pearl harbor war crime" also doesn't produce anything which confirms such a claim. The war crime was the much broader issue of starting an aggressive war (for which several of the key figures were convicted of by the International Military Tribunal for the Far East), and this has somehow been simplified into declaring that attacking Pearl Harbor was a war crime. Nick-D (talk) 23:07, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
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