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No offence taken!

Hi Jobrot,

We appear to have been told that we should not have been having the discussion that we were having about whether there should be an article about Cultural Marxism, which I personally thought was relatively constructive and consensus-seaking. But anyway, for the record, your deleted comment wasn't in any way offensive and seemed a pretty legitimate rhetorical device to me so please don't feel you need to apologise.

I'm slightly embarrassed if this is your first serious experience of Wikipedia from the inside. Although it can be pretty painful at times on the whole Wikipedia can be a cause for optimism about the potential of humanity. I generally find being a Wikipedian a hugely rewarding and stimulating activity and even if your Cultural Marxism experience is horrible I would encourage you to stick around a bit and explore other less fraught areas.

No doubt we'll be crossing swords on the current issue at some point soon, but give me a shout if I can ever help with anything more generally.

Cheers,

JimmyGuano (talk) 20:28, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! That's very commendable of you!

It's been a baptism by fire, but I'm starting to see the more collaborative community beyond this single-issue.

That said, I do I believe that the outside attention from controversial topics like this will eventually improve Wikipedia, and it's already led me specifically to try and close a gap in the current deletion panel selection system as well as try to find out what other gaps there might be. I definitely want to improve Wikipedia, and I'm sad to see that some are claiming it's been going down hill since 2007.

Thanks for your message --Jobrot (talk) 04:02, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Welcome

Hello Jobrot. I'd just like to say, probably also on behalf of others, thanks for your contributions so far. I'm sure we're not done yet, but your edits so far have been invaluable. If you ever need an admin or any advice on our fantastical rituals and processes, not that you're not getting on fine, just drop me a line. Statutory welcome template attached. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 16:33, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

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Unexplained Disruptive Section Blanking of Western Marxism

Hello, I'm 172.56.17.35. I noticed that you recently removed some content without explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; I restored the removed content. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks! Section Blanking here: [1]

I did, I also explained it on the talk page. --Jobrot (talk) 04:11, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

An Sock puppet investigation concerning Cultural Marxism Deletion

[[2]] This investigation has been started to investigate RGloucester and suspected sock or meat puppet Jobrot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.56.15.36 (talk) 13:00, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Sorry that didn't work out for you (HINT: most sock puppets have a similar style of writing, where as my style of writing and RGloucester's are extremely different [they tend to be quite curt in their responses, I'm verbose]). On a personal/political note, I do believe that "Cultural Authoritarianism" is becoming more and more problematic on the left side of politics - but I don't think this is due to any Marxist connections (whether they exist or not). I believe the left has some very reasonable ideals, but they too often become emotional in how they carry those ideals out. I believe this is because (particularly in cases of feminism, racism and homophobia) there is a legitimate emotional context of real-life, daily-to-regular cues hinting towards their own oppression and alienation from/by others hence their own defensive character on those particular issues. They are matters of emotional context, personal experience, and individual perceptions... and perceptions, yours, mine, everyone elses all have the same weight of Authority. But their stories are real. You cannot argue with someone elses experiences and expect an equal weighting right off the bat. You have to first show a basic sympathy/understanding of the problems which alter-perceptions for SOME INDIVIDUALS. This is not in my opinion a product of Marxism, but a product of human nature.

There is an interesting article written just after the Elliot Rodger shooting here [[3]]. Keep in mind that to understand the left, you have to understand that their beliefs are as genuine as any other (including your own). --Jobrot (talk) 16:38, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

ANI notice for IP editor

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#I am evading a block but not a sock for which I was blocked Self Reported regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Nil Einne (talk) 13:46, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! --Jobrot (talk) 15:09, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Rants removed per FORUM

Hi Jobrot, just to let you know. When two different editors remove rants by anon ip editors per Wiki guidelines, you probably should not restore the rants. The IP has been very disruptive and their comments on the Talk page have not been constructive. I've collapsed the section they started, and the IP has been blocked on various different ip hops. Thanks. Dave Dial (talk) 21:45, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Cool thanks for making sure I knew! I won't revert. I understand that some people have difficulty discussing these issues without becoming adversarial or pugnacious. --Jobrot (talk) 03:27, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Dave is canvassing WP:CANVASS. You are free to do as you feel is best as long as it is not edit warring or disruptive. Dave is seeking support here. He is the first person to revert my edits at Cultural Marxist. He has been trying to harass me by continually reverting my edits. That is disruptive as is canvassing. --Previous unsigned comment by 172.56.33.120 (talk)

Thank you for restoring my edits that encouraged discussion. Dave was unhappy with that and came here to canvass. I believe you already know all of this. I started the SPI because of the editor analyzer. You can find it at tools and you came up as match with the other subject. I was not meant as mean spirited but I believe it warranted some more eyes. It was shot down in 3 hours without much input or any and deleted and that is unusual in a SPI. It would help if you took down the Noob because you know to much to be a NOOB and people notice that when discussions heat up. Maybe state what you stated at ANI that you edited for some time as an IP. I am assuming good faith with you now that the SPI is over. If I was not blocked I would of never brought my block to ANI and drug your name into it.

I was perturbed at Chillum. It was really about myself and Chillum. The SPI was brought in because it was why I was blocked. Chillum said I was sock editing logged out. He never said whose sock I was supposed to be or presented any evidence. It was a pretty dumb move he thought he could easily get away with on an IP. It turned ugly and his reputation is now questioned by some because I highlighted his actions. IP's are routinely abused at Wikipedia because many account holders log out to edit which makes the real IP's look bad. Account holders make IP's look bad so it is sort of of silly to demand everyone register. It will not stop IP's from logging out and if they have some basic tech skills they will not get caught. It is impossible for wiki to catch a good sock. You only have my word that I am not a sock but admins are not supposed to block accounts without evidence. So now I am blocked for evading a incompetent/ paranoid/ malicious block. You decide which best describes the action. The fact is he never apologized in never will so I could care less about the block now. That is what happens when they shit on people, the people quit playing nice because that is voluntary as they have no real power, that is a delusion.

Well again thanks for reinstating my concern albeit it was somewhat heated due to DD2K hounding my edits and the maleficence of Chillum. It is almost always bigger than one person. Several have been involved and nobody is coming out smelling like roses. Some despise the fact an IP can melt away while they have everyone learning a little more about them. No one made them register although they may have caved to pressure of which there is much. Some think it is their duty to get you to join, I do not know why it is such a big issues with so many. Very few have a real identity here so it is all pretending. Some do not like that game and remains IP's. We are the outsiders. Sorry for such a long rambling post and I apologize for the mess you were drug into at ANI. The SPI I have no qualms about starting as the evidence of the analyzer, your jumping right in the AFD, stating you are noob, and editing a limited scope of articles does reach a high level of suspicion. It does not mean your are guilty though and that is why there is a process albeit this was a very short one. But I will correct my previous ANI suspicions and angry comments and assume you are here to do good. It is still open between me an Chillum though which is unfortunate but that is the way it works out sometimes. It has been good discussing what direction to take the article. I do not know if I will add much in the future as I generally avoid these messy subjects. I believe I lost my common sense for a few days. Man what people put into this and the abuse we give each other. Well good luck and happy editing ahead, hopefully. 172.56.33.120 (talk) 16:09, 24 February 2015 (UTC) I am taking a break, I hope!!!

Well as you know - there's nothing in policy that prevents (or even casts any aspersions on) editing from an IP! It's a completely legitimate thing to do.

Yeah, I've found wikipedia editing can get quite involved at times. Sometimes there's definitely skin in the game. Particularly when coming up against specific uncooperative users/admins... and although evading bans and going after specific users wouldn't be my style, I don't hold any grudges towards you as a user or against anything you've said or done. I like to think of wikipedia as at its best when it's a gentle game of rhetoric and truth seeking - and I feel certain that building consensus through well researched and compelling argumentation is its strongest tool. Good luck with your future path, I'm sure we'll have extended discussions on the Cultural Marxism draft talk page. Thanks very much for your note. --Jobrot (talk) 01:09, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

A response to your accusations is given.

Regards, kaffeburk. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaffeburk (talk • contribs) 16:39, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

'Personal Attacks'

I apologize if you perceived my comments as personal attacks, but I did not intend them as such. Regardless of our political differences, I'd like to mutually drop this arguing and fighting, as it will get neither of us anywhere. Ideloctober (talk) 02:47, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

You can't apologize for my perceiving as it is my perceiving. You can however apologize for your assuming that I'm a Liberal, or a Marxist or some combination of the two - and for your dissemination of this assumption as if meaningful. It may be meaningful in other forums - but here; it is irrelevant to the editing process (keep this in mind should anyone accuse you of views they deem undesirable). If you do apologize for brigading your assumptions, and continue to treat your fellow Wikipedians with the basics of respect and deportment to which humanity should be accustom, then your time here will go smoothly and you will be afforded the merit of a respectful opinion. It's that simple. But until you can bring yourself to reframe this attempted apology in terms of your own perceptions rather than my own it will stand as nothing more than an attempt at excusing yourself from a fight you initiated. So feel free to apologize for your assumptions... but please, please don't apologize for my perceptions. They are my own, and generally I keep them to myself. --Jobrot (talk) 04:49, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Jobrot!

Happy New Year!

Jobrot,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:56, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

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Cultural bolshevism

Your merge proposal has been closed. I believe your research findings about British fascists' early use of the term "cultural Marxism" would provide useful context in the CB article. Would you mind adding it, with the sources? 50.185.134.48 (talk) 20:02, 20 March 2016 (UTC)