Talk:The Empire Strikes Back

Ad Lib During Filming

The story that Irvin Kershner told Harrison Ford to "improvise on the spot" and then he changed his line from "I love you too" to "I know" appears to be false. There's a transcript of an audiotape made at the time that has them discussing the scene before shooting, and that's where Ford comes up with the line. Also, the original line being replaced had Han promising Leia that he'd be back. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.88.64.228 (talk • contribs)

How did Luke know...

When Luke flies from Dagobah to Cloud City to help Leia and Han, there's no explanation of how he knows they are supposed to be there.

Whether he knows for some reason or just senses it or is told by the Force or the spirit of Obi Wan Kenobi or whatever, it should be mentioned. And if the movie itself doesn't explain it, it's also worth mentioning. Teo8976 (talk) 12:57, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

• No Wikipedia is not a place for speculation unless reliable sources can be found for this information and it is also notable. Not everything has to be included in Wikipedia articles and this is of minor interest to general readers. And that is whom an encylopaedia article is aimed at. Robynthehode (talk) 20:14, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Plus, you know, the movie DOES explain it anyway. "I saw a city in the clouds." (L) "Friends you have there." (Y) DP76764 (Talk) 20:44, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Yes thanks DP76764 (Talk) I'd forgotten about that but my general point still stands - an encyclopeadia article does not have to contain every piece of minor information about the article's subject Robynthehode (talk) 21:35, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

I think the OP's point was not that it be included as a piece of trivia or anything like that, but that it's a pretty significant plot point, without which the last part of the plot summary makes no sense. (and if it makes no sense there's no point in having a plot summary). Since it is explained in the movie as you say, I don't see the harm in adding in a few words to connect the dots for those reading the plot summary (something like "After seeing a vision of his friends in danger, Luke travels to Bespin..."). I don't see it as a piece of meaningless trivia (and we all agree that those should not be included, this plot summary reads quite nicely), but a key facet of the plot. After all, the whole premise of the second part of the movie is that Luke was lured into a trap...it's why Vader is there at all, it's why Han, Leia, et al are captured, etc. etc. By omitting the explanation of why Luke goes there in the first place makes it nonsensical (right now it doesn't make sense). And the fact that it is explained in the movie takes it out of the realm of fan speculation, so no violation of those principles in including here?70.91.35.27 (talk) 18:04, 19 January 2016 (UTC)Tim

Perhaps to put this into context, the current plot summary says: "The spirit of his late mentor, Obi-Wan Kenobi, instructs him to go to the Dagobah system to train under Jedi Master Yoda." This could just as easily have been simplified to read "Luke then goes to the Dogabah system..." but that would of course beg the question "why?" Jumping ahead to where Luke goes to Bespin, one would similarly like to know "why?"...even for a basic understanding of the plot (which is the purpose of the summary). So a very very brief "non-speculation" addition seems like it would make as much sense here is it did earlier in the plot summary. 70.91.35.27 (talk) 18:18, 19 January 2016 (UTC)Tim

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Issues in the "Writing" Section

The second to last paragraph has some weird and anachronistic descriptions of events from prequels, with an incorrect citation (#27) to Kaminski's book. I'm not sure why such a specific description of prequel events, starting with the parenthetical comment about Sith Lords is part of this section. What does it contribute to an understanding of the writing process of Empire? Also, I can't even verify that it is accurate -- those ideas are not in Kaminski's book. I propose that the extra descriptions be deleted, and instead end the discussion with the act of combining Anakin and Vader into the same character, as that is the only supported claim from the citation. Thekappen (talk) 01:17, 21 November 2016 (UTC)