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*'''Breaking''' – Even if ''breakdancing'' is more common, it is still a misnomer (see the "inaccurate names" clause of [[WP:COMMONNAME]]). ''B-boying'', being a gendered term, doesn't sufficiently encompass all performers of this genre. ''Breaking'' is accurate, recognizable and universal. [[User:Ibadibam|Ibadibam]] ([[User talk:Ibadibam|talk]]) 21:26, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
*'''Breaking''' – Even if ''breakdancing'' is more common, it is still a misnomer (see the "inaccurate names" clause of [[WP:COMMONNAME]]). ''B-boying'', being a gendered term, doesn't sufficiently encompass all performers of this genre. ''Breaking'' is accurate, recognizable and universal. [[User:Ibadibam|Ibadibam]] ([[User talk:Ibadibam|talk]]) 21:26, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
*'''Breaking (dance)''' - I agree on all points presented by {{user|Ibadibam}}; ''breaking'' is more appropriate than ''b-boying'' or ''breakdancing''. //[[User:Gbern3|Gbern3]] ([[User talk:Gbern3|talk]]) 16:41, 5 August 2017 (UTC)


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B-boying ←→ Breakdancing: Please read prior discussions regarding the name of this article at...

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This should have been moved to "breaking (dance)'", not "b-boying". Moronic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.172.214.70 (talk) 01:40, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

B-boying is the original name of the style; it was called "breaking" or "breakdancing" by mainstream media.
#!/bin/DokReggar -talk 06:41, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Not what the article says. "Breakdancing" is the invented term; breaking is the "b" in "b-boying". 70.172.214.70 (talk) 05:00, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, "break" is the "b" in "b-boying". 211.181.131.34 (talk) 11:00, 22 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Because that difference is vast. 72.200.151.13 (talk) 22:45, 8 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
70.172.214.70 please don't be rude by referring to the article's title as "moronic". Considering there were four different discussions all at different times and the end result was to keep the article titled "b-boying", there must have been a good reason for it. Not to mention that—according to the article—dancers like Crazy Legs and Popmaster Fabel who are pioneers of this style called it "b-boying" from the beginning. Are they "moronic" as well? Another fact according to the article: even the (American Heritage) dictionary says that a b-boy is "A man or boy who engages in b-boying." Are all the scholars who wrote that dictionary "moronic". Just because the term isn't to your liking doesn't mean it's wrong... or moronic. 37.188.122.55 (talk) 09:45, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't matter what the original name was, WP:COMMONNAME is very clear on this issue: "Wikipedia prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in reliable English-language sources) as such names will be the most recognizable and the most natural . . . Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it prefers to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources . . . Although official, scientific, birth, original, or trademarked names are often used for article titles, the term or name most typically used in reliable sources is generally preferred." --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 23:10, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You're ignoring the part about reliable sources: "...[Wikipedia] prefers to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources . . . Although official, scientific, birth, original, or trademarked names are often used for article titles, the term or name most typically used in reliable sources is generally preferred." 'B-boying' is the term that is most frequently used in reliable sources as demonstrated by the "Terminology" section. 37.188.122.55 (talk) 12:47, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

WTF, Its called breakdancing

Seriously guys, in the mid I 2000ths did some breakdancing. Never heard the term B-boying. I'm pretty sure this is bullshit. The Google trends speak for themselves! http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=breakdancing%2C%20B-boying&cmpt=q--Frozenport (talk) 02:43, 10 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, I was equally confused about why breakdancing is redirecting to B-boying (a term I have never heard before) when searching for an article on breakdancing. --Jarekt (talk) 16:37, 12 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Frozenport (talk · contribs) how can you be so "sure"? Don't you think it's a little arrogant for you to choose to remain oblivious to the legitimacy of this term when (1) you didn't start practicing the dance until a good 30 years after both the dance and the term were created and (2) the b-boying article has a very well referenced terminology section that justifies the article's title. Is there something you know that a b-boy pioneer like Crazy Legs doesn't know? The references are right there and he is quoted. Did you actually read a book on b-boying like Foundation for your research? Or did you just rely on Google? Google Trends will tell you how often a term is used because it reflects what is popular i.e. pop culture, but Google Trends will not and cannot tell you whether or not a term is valid i.e. authentic/correct, so your link doesn't actually prove that it's bullsh*t; it just shows that 'breakdancing' is used more often which is already stated in the second paragraph of the article. It's okay if you've never heard the term before. That's the beauty of a free encyclopedia. Speaking of free knowledge, History of hip-hop dance#Terminology also talks about the breakdancing/b-boying debate and that section is well referenced too. I challenge you to edify yourself. 37.188.122.55 (talk) 10:42, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, the emphasis in the lead on original vs. common use goes against our article naming guidelines (see WP:COMMONNAME). ‑‑xensyriaT 02:55, 14 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Gender inequality?

It is clear that "males are generally the predominant gender within breaking". That is not the same as "gender inequality". If this section must be retained, I suggest it be retitled "Female Breakdancers". I also suggest that the entire article be changed to "breakdancing", not "B-Boying" - that is a sexist term that is unknown outside the fraternity.Royalcourtier (talk) 06:06, 4 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Or breaking (dance).
The dance itself is properly called "breaking" according to rappers such as KRS-One, Talib Kweli, Mos Def, and Darryl McDaniels of Run-DMC.[8]
72.200.151.13 (talk) 22:45, 8 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

B-girl

For decades, "B-girl" has meant bar girl, a girl who is paid to get guys to buy her overpriced, watered-down drinks. The way it's being used here is a new meaning. There ought to be an article about the original term, and a disambiguation page. --Rosekelleher (talk) 21:33, 13 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Female presence

The following comment was posted in the article, but probably should've been here on the talk page: --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 19:02, 22 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Some do disagree with the amount of increasing females though, saying that they have hardly noticed a difference. "I as a BBoy, have been dancing for over 5 years now, but I have yet to see my fair share of female dancers at Jams. There may be only three or five girls who actually go out and dance at a Cypher, I've seen a couple of girls taking lessons, so the seed of female involvement is there, it's jut not as big of a boom as everyone says it is. I don't know how things are out in New York, but down here in Houston, it's still mostly Guys. I also disagree with firefly, Really the solution to getting more B-Girls isn't making women's only competitions, it's promoting things right. I think that Breaking is one thing that both men and women can be equally good at, and if you make a special separation for genders, then it won't get you anywhere good." -Geoffrey Park (South Texas B-Boy) — Preceding text originally posted on B-boying#Female presence (diff) by BBoy Geoffrey (talk⋅contribs) 14:57, 22 December 2014‎ (UTC)[reply]

This article is or was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Sage Cadence, Peoples megan (article contribs). These are just some general comments and uggestions for improving. (For the course above).

Neutrality? The Title Issue...“B-boying” is in fact reductive as a title; it could be “Breakdancing” or “Breakers” or “Breaking” with a sourced discussion of vernacular for those “immersed in hip hop culture.” It is reductive because it excludes female participants. Proven by the fact that all sources quoted in the chart are men, which is not balanced.

Relevancy...“A young street dancer performing acrobatic head spins was recorded by Thomas Edison in 1898.” (footnote 21); This is distracting and irrelevant if not contextualized. It is mentioned under "History"

Things missing that could be added/changed... • Clarity regarding the history of breaking could be made and information added. For example, it should probably be mentioned that the style formed in New York City; that it was a part of hip hop culture; that the style attracted Afrodiasporic youth of color – from the US and Caribbean countries – because of the socioeconomic/political history associated with these racial minorities in this location. • Perhaps a discussion of flow, layering, and rupture as characteristic properties of hip-hop culture more broadly • The “Female Presence” section of the page is proportionally lacking compared to other sections, and I do not think this is because there is no female breakers; this discussion could be expanded to include who the “critiques” mentioned are and how women “have begun to play a larger role in the breaking scene.” Also, there should be some discussion of the fact that they have always been on the scene and who those women are

Some notes about references and footnotes... • The second two sentences in the top section; regarding the spread of breakdancing and the variation across the medium in terms of style have no reference • The second paragraph in the top section discusses the term “breakdance” versus the term “b-boying,” again without reference. The reference to preferred terms (also in this paragraph and in the “Terminology” section) is never linked to a source/ attributed to someone(s). • There are no references in the second paragraph of the “History”; in the latter 3 paragraphs of “Dance elements”; in “B-boy styles”; in “Power versus style” • The “Females in hip-hop culture” link under female presence does not take you to a page relevant to this article, or even to the words linked; “Hip hop models” and females in hip-hop are not synonymous

JulesCapone (talk) 16:38, 5 February 2015 (UTC)JulesCapone[reply]

Year Invented

I think the article is wrong on when it was invented. It says 2005 in the little box on the left yet the 1980's in the article header. I am new to Wiki editing can someone resolve this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.133.84.5 (talk) 05:52, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"b-boy attitude"?

This part had me curious: "as long as the dancer maintains cleanliness, form, and the b-boy attitude, theoretically anything can be toprock." (emphasis mine)

Could someone knowledgeable enlarge on this "b-boy attitude"? It seems an important part of the culture to me, and is barely touched upon in the article yet. --Martinroell (talk) 10:32, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's pretty much the idea that you can create your own moves and your own variations of already existing moves, essentially bringing something fresh to the scene.Funkyman99 (talk) 04:18, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Commonname

This article title is a clear violation of Commonname. I understand the etymology of the alternative title, but there is a gross discrepancy between what some within a fairly small and insular community may call it, and what it's called in the greater culture. We don't have to like or agree with the term breakdancing to objectively assess the relative use of the two terms. There is no factually "correct" title (i.e. breakdancing is not incorrect, some prefer b-boying as a matter of opinion/subjective choice.). I think it's perfectly fine to reflect that in an etymology section, or in the lede, etc. However, to choose the subjective infrequently used word ahead of the very widely recognized term is elitist, intended or not, and is against not only the policy but spirit of how wiki pages are named.12.11.127.253 (talk) 14:32, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not quite sure what you mean by a fairly small and insular community, considering that most people who breakdance refer to it as b-boy and know it as b-boy, especially considering that the origin of the term was b-boy, not breakdancing. Again not sure what you mean by infrequently used word and elitist, because most people in the breakdancing scene refer to it as b-boy.Funkyman99 (talk) 04:15, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Isn't it actually elistist to call it "breakdancing"; after all, the journalists were the intellectuals who created the term and spread it to the masses. 108.171.130.166 (talk) 20:44, 16 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Female Recognition

Females may not have a dominant position in the realm of breakdancing. However, recognition should be given to women who have a presence such as Alaska native Bri McMillen also known as "B Girl Snap One". Sage Cadence (talk) 14:16, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well Done article

I thought the article displayed good relevance and attachment to the overall topic. As well the article did not show any too close paraphrasing.

Good Job.

Hanz-francis (talk) 23:41, 13 December 2016 (UTC) Hanz Francis[reply]

Literature edit revert (diff 761041389)

@MrOllie: Hello; why was the edit regarding the French book reverted, as it has the same content type as the Polish one just above? #!/bin/DokReggar -talk 15:20, 20 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Good call, I removed that one too. These things should have some basic level of demonstrated importance, preferably by linking to an existing Wikipedia article. - MrOllie (talk)
Works for me; thanks for the reply! #!/bin/DokReggar -talk 16:04, 20 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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B-boying → Breakdancing – The common name of the article is Breakdancing (per WP:COMMONNAME. B-boying is jargon (WP:Jargon) is not commonly used by the general populace.) Civciv5 (talk) 21:22, 19 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support The article itself acknowledges that breakdancing is the most common name: "Instead of the term b-boying (break-boying), the mainstream media promoted the artform as breakdancing, causing many to only know it as such." — MShabazz Talk/Stalk 14:15, 20 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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