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Publically traded companies

Should the other publicly traded companies with headquarters in Tucson should be added to the economy page. I think they are Imarx Therapeutic, Unisource Energy, Ionatron Inc & Providence Services Corporation, but I might be missing some. --Tucson Indigo (talk) 02:29, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Chicago-style pizza

I heard you can get Chicago-style deep dish pizza even in Tucson! Is this true? If so, it probably should be added to the article. Bearerofthecup (talk) 18:07, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, at Rocco's and Zachary's. (Rocco's also has the best wings in town.)75.164.25.240 (talk) 02:18, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

This is an article on Tucson. Whether you can eat Chicago-style pizza or not in the city is irrelevant. This is Wikipedia, not Yelp.

ICE77 (talk) 04:19, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Uf U start edutung artucles and puttung lots of mustakes un there on purpose and get banned from edutung artucles can u stull read wuwupedua? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.165.108.141 (talk) 02:58, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

This guy was probably lead here by xkcd. And for the question, I am NOT answering. Clubjustin (talk) 12:18, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Spanish place-name

Although Tucson is an Indian place-name, the Spaniard colonial fort was known as San Agustín de Tuguison. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.142.175.22 (talk) 09:28, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Crime?

Um...I heard this place is kinda dangerous. 24.141.47.50 (talk) 18:38, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

What qualifies as dangerous? I think most people who live in Tucson don't feel that way, but dangerous is in the fear of the beholder. Stats here: [1]. Cretog8 (talk) 19:51, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, depends on where you live. Please reply.Solowing106 --Solowing106 (talk) 01:09, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

It is a big place, the east side of town is really rural. The south side is a little more dangerous but worth the Mexican food. Danwiggy (talk) 03:52, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Tucson Metropolitan Area

The Tucson Metropolitan article should be re-created 72.200.84.247 (talk) 00:09, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

The meaning of the word

The article lacks a citation for the meaning of the word "Tucson." Please, whoever wrote the claim, add a citation. The historian and writer of the Southwest USA, Edwin Corle, states the name of the city was Stjukshon which means "The Place Where the Water is Dark," or "Land of the Dark-water Spring." --Desertphile (talk) 01:45, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Tohono O'Odham meaning Spring at the base of the black mountain —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sharkbait60 (talk • contribs) 01:06, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

It means neither - both of you are suffering from Native American Name Disorder, meaning simple names are expanded unreasonably. It means "black base". Saying it means "Land of the dark-water spring" is like saying New River, Arizona's name means "Land of the not-old flowing water". --ಠ_ಠ node.ue ಠ_ಠ (talk) 14:17, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Rename to 'Tucson'

Most cities just give the name of the city in the article without the state. Phoenix has a million things it can be confused with (like the bird) so it's good that Phoenix's article is called "Phoenix, Arizona". Tucson, Arizona however, is not likely to be confused with other cities of the same name (if they even exist). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.18.19.107 (talk) 02:12, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I disagree ... I just quickly looked up Phoenix, and it goes by Phoenix, Arizona ... why is Tuscon special? Are there any other name-only American cities? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.22.63.1 (talk) 14:03, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Phoenix is a much-used noun that needs some disambiguation. Tucson is not. Chicago is given as Chicago, not Chicago, Illinois. There's no good reason not to treat Tucson the same. Ditto for Tulsa. 96.42.57.164 (talk) 19:22, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

I don't know why they say Tucson, Arizona. But the Beatles used it that way in their song 'Get Back': "Jojo left his home in Tucson, Arizona...". In the Italian Wikipedia, they added this quote to the article. I was suprised that it's not in this one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.247.216.210 (talk) 13:06, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

time to split

the geography section (includes climate as well) has ballooned quite enormously, and much of the information is perhaps not necessary for the main article on the city. I first suggest copying all of the information within that section. What to do with the information in the main article is to the discretion to this discussion. ---华钢琴49 (TALK) 02:50, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Move request withdrawn, non-admin closure. kotakkasut 21:16, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

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Tucson, Arizona → Tucson — Tucson already redirects here. The name 'Tucson' is always associated with the city in Arizona. Feel free to discuss! Signed, kotakkasut 05:40, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose. Settled convention is that only the cities listed at WP:PLACE#United States are eligible for exceptions from the general rule of [[City, State]]. Tucson is not on the list. This is done for reasons of consistency and predictability, with an exception for the most famous cities. Powers ^T 13:42, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
• Comment The [[city, state]] format is designated so that cities with the same name can be disambiguated. Eg. Athens, Alabama and Athens, Georgia. This is not in the case as there is only one Tucson, which is in Arizona. kotakkasut 14:51, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
  • Actually, for the United States, we decided some time ago that most cities are commonly known by the full "city, state" identifier, if you look at common usage on a national basis. A few cities are not, and do not take the state name even when referenced from the other side of the country; those cities (as determined by the AP stylebook) are listed at WP:PLACE#United States. Tucson is not among them; Associated Press articles with a dateline in Tucson will say "TUCSON, Ariz." See, for instance, this recent AP article. Powers ^T 16:55, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
    • Woah, didn't realize that, thanks for the info Powers! I think I should withdraw this request later on... kotakkasut 21:10, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

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Ventana Medical systems page missing

It's a pretty big employer in Tucson, but its page is missing on Wikipedia. I searched for it via google, but the link was deleted. I wish someone could add a new one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.135.19.26 (talk) 23:59, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Solar Energy

I strongly disagree with the fallowing statement:

"Tucson is considered to be in a natural location for the development of a solar energy community, but the city has not yet adopted solar power in any significant way."

While Tucson isn't the solar capital of the world it has made a lot of progress over the last few years with many homes and communities using solar energy and well as large solar projects, especially with the University of Arizona, that have been completed or are currently being developed.

Some examples of recent solar advances in the area:

http://www.azpm.org/news/story/2011/4/26/1654-solar-energy-rises-in-southern-arizona/

http://azstarnet.com/business/local/article_d2ade3c7-9752-5428-b7dc-24598f65d811.html

http://wildcat.arizona.edu/news/solar-panels-prepare-ua-for-green-future-1.1079892 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gaumond (talk • contribs) 09:15, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

In that case the section should be geared towards addressing Tuscon's progressive moves to embracing solar enegy while simultaneously rising prominence in the solar energy industry. 08OceanBeach^S.D. 19:21, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Yup. And I should know. I LIVE HERE! Solowing106 Solowing106 (talk) 01:03, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Tucson in popular culture

Seems like a section or page similar to Cultural depictions of Philadelphia would be interesting.Geo8rge (talk) 23:14, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Jan. 8 2011

Hey, Ive commented 3 times now, since Tucson is my hometown. Shouldn't the headline-indicated shooting be included?

Solowing106 (talk) 01:11, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Question about "Tuscon" redirect

I just went around and corrected several instances of misspelling throughout Wikipedia. Because this is a commonly misspelled word, I think it's not really wise to have the redirect - it leads authors who misspell the word to not notice their error. If "Tuscon, Arizona" were a red link, people would realize that something has gone wrong.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 09:48, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Redirects are supposed to help users navigate. While most users would probably eventually try an another spelling, it seems to me that leaving [[Tuscon, Arizona]] as a red link rather than a redirect would be kind of annoying. I think we should be more concerned with helping users find the information they want (and "Tucson, Arizona" is the most likely intended target for "Tuscon, Arizona") than with tweaking them about their spelling. -- Donald Albury 11:56, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Is there an actual use for the word "Tuscon", beyond this one? Perhaps we have a bot that could change any use of "Tuscon" or "Tuscon, Arizona" to "Tucson" or "Tucson, Arizona" respectively. This preserves the redirect, which may have some value, but also fixes the name itself. UltraExactZZ ^Said ~ Did 13:17, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

There is TusCon. "Tuscon" by itself could be a typo/mispelling for "Tucson", "TusCon" or Tuscan. Note that we also have redirects for "Tuscon Mall", "Tuscon Unified School District" and "Tuscon Massacre", but not for a number of other articles that begin with "Tucson". -- Donald Albury 21:26, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Schools

There is now a long, loooong list of primary and secondary schools in the article. Most great cities do not get into this sort of detail about schools. Also, lists within articles are generally deprecated (ref: WP:EMBED: "Presenting too much statistical data in list format is against policy"). So I think that we should either: a) eliminate the list of primary and secondary schools, or b) create a subarticle called "List of primary and secondary schools in Tucson." Comments? Sunray (talk) 20:48, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

I vote for deletion, as I think it gets into minutia and people get irritated when "their" school isn't there thus adding and adding more, but I'm sure they will start creeping in again over time. I'm not sure how one would decide whether or not Tucson qualifies as a "great" city, but since many of the other "city pages" that I watch also has a list of schools, I suggest a second page be created with a list of schools. Alternately, the Wichita, Kansas page has a narrative about the schools that boils it all down to 2-3 paragraphs that hits the highlights. I think this is a pretty good option. Ckruschke (talk) 14:09, 5 January 2012 (UTC)Ckruschke

What's with all the snow?

Why are there three photos showing snow in the vicinity of Tucson? I know snow is an event for us, but I think other Wikipedians know what it looks like. This also gives the impression that Tucson is some kind of White-Christmasy Winter Wonderland. That has not been my experience over the last 15 years.TCSaint (talk) 03:54, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

My impression was that people were adding "pretty pictures". The caption for the Saguaro should be changed to say something like "snow is very rare in Tucson below 3500 ft" or whatever. I think the other photos are ok as we know that snow is regular in the mountains even if I only saw it 3X's in 10 years in town. Maybe one could have a caption addition to the effect of "snow is not uncommon in the mountains surrounding Tucson". My two cents. Ckruschke (talk) 19:18, 1 May 2012 (UTC)Ckruschke

I suppose that makes sense. I do think the picture with the saguaros in snow should either be removed or recaptioned as I really don't think those are actually in Tucson. That must be either in the Tucson Mountains or Saguaro NP, which are nearby but not in the city limits--thye would be in unincorporated Pima County. TCSaint (talk) 21:27, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Oh - I don't know. There are lots of Saguaro's within the Tucson city limits. My Blue Cardone looked like that in 2005 (I think) when we got a snow "storm" over night and the snow actually stayed on the ground until after lunch. Ckruschke (talk) 18:11, 2 May 2012 (UTC)Ckruschke

I agree, of course, that there are saguaros in Tucson--I'm just saying that these particular saguaros, on the long bajada ridges wihtout a single paved road or house in sight--are almost certainly outside the city limits. TCSaint (talk) 19:21, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Agree - sorry - wasn't implying you were an idiot. Ckruschke (talk) 19:27, 2 May 2012 (UTC)Ckruschke

flag missing

Why there isn't a flag in the infobox? Tucson certainly has a flag, as an internet search confirms. It has the city seal in it, which is not in this article either. 85.217.15.248 (talk) 21:46, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Feedback on the article

I read the article and fixed several things. I have to point out a few more about this article.

1. "A separate Convento settlement was founded downstream along the then flowing Santa Cruz River, near the base of what is now "A" mountain."

Is capitalizing "convento" necessary?

2. "John Clum, of Tombstone, Arizona fame was one of the passengers held-up and Brazelton would eventually be tracked down and killed on Monday August 19, 1878 in a mesquite bosque along the Santa Cruz River three miles south of Tucson by Pima County Sheriff Charles A. Shibell and his citizen's posse."

Something's wrong with this sentence.

3. "Moving past the Tucson Mountains you are in the area commonly referred to as "west of" Tucson."

Any word like "you" should be strongly avoided. This sentence needs fixing.

4. "A similar scenario is seen in Alice Springs, Australia which averages 11 inches (279.4 mm) a year, but has a desert climate."

The comparison with Australia is silly and completely unnecessary.

5. In the climate section, meteorological data is given. There is a parallel from readings at the University of Arizona and the Tucson airport. I think this is silly and unnecessary. One of the last two paragraphs should be eliminated. The information is repeated twice.

6. "To prevent further loss of groundwater, Tucson has been involved in water conservation and groundwater preservation effort, shifting away from its reliance on a series of Tucson area wells in favor of conservation, consumption-based pricing for residential and commercial water use, and new wells in the more sustainable Avra Valley aquifer, northwest of the city."

"Conservation" is redundant. This sentence needs some work.

7. The section on demographics needs to be fixed and redundancy of data needs to be eliminated.

8. "The Tucson Main Post Office is located at 1501 South Cherrybell Stravenue."

Is it really important? I would take it away, unless it's a historical location.

9. "Fall Fest often draws hundreds of participants from many pagan religions, some traveling from as far away as Phoenix or even other states."

As far as Phoenix? This is pretty ridiculous. I would recommend removing this. Phoenix is only less than two hours away.

10. "All performers are from Tucson and the surrounding area, in keeping with the idea of "meeting yourself.""

This sentence is ambiguous.

ICE77 (talk) 04:23, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

This isn't how the Talk section works. If you have edits that you think should be made, feel free to BE BOLD and do it yourself. If you think your revision would be controversial, you can always bring the text you liked to change and your suggested revision to Talk for discussion. Ckruschke (talk) 16:09, 6 September 2012 (UTC)Ckruschke

I have already spent enough time fixing and improving this article and I have done the same for hundreds of others. I don't plan to make changes that don't make any sense unless somebody is able to clarify passages in the article and agrees that something should or should not be there. This is exactly what the talk section is all about. It's about talking and discussing.

ICE77 (talk) 04:07, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

What Ckruschke means is that your post is pointless. If you care enough about the edits, make them. If they turn out not to make sense, someone will change them back. If you don't care enough to make your own edits, no-one else is going to either. It's fairly simple. If we all waited to be babysat then nothing would ever get edited.

Pan - 02:26, 8 September 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.193.140.29 (talk)

Coordinate error

The following coordinate fixes are needed for Tucson, AZ is in the northern hemisphere. The UTM zone should be 12N not 12S.

—216.15.15.45 (talk) 00:01, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Where is the UTM mentioned? I can't find any mention in the article or the Geocoordinates, mistaken or otherwise. Someguy1221 (talk) 00:46, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Request has been closed – location seems just fine. –– Anonymouse321 (talk • contribs) 08:26, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Structure

Hi. I'm going through all the US Cities (as per List of United States cities by population) in an effort to provide some uniformity in structure. Anyone have an issue with me restructuring this article as per Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities/US Guideline. I won't be changing any content, merely the order. Occasionally, I will also move a picture just to clean up spacing issues. I've already gone through the top 20 or so on the above list, if you'd like to see how they turned out. Thoughts? Onel5969 (talk) 16:02, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Sounds good. Ckruschke (talk) 20:50, 21 February 2014 (UTC)Ckruschke

Pronunciation of Tucson

There is some discussion regarding the correct pronunciation of the name, Tucson. Having lived in the area for the past 20 years, I've only heard a single way to pronounce the name: Too-Sahn (per WP:RESPELL). The current pronunciation key in the article reads TOO-son. CactusWriter proposed a change to Too-Sawn. While I think they are correct in the current key being wrong, I disagree with the selection of "sawn" rather than "sahn". Thoughts?Onel5969 (talk) 16:49, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

IMO, I agree that "ah" would be more accurate than "aw" for the translation and pronunciation of the IPA symbols of Tucson. However, as currently written, the IPA symbol of "ɒ" for Tucson is correctly represented by "aw" per WP:RESPELL. If the desired pronunciation is "ah", then the IPA symbol must be first changed to "ɒ:". I have found the IPA form of Tucson written in both of those formats -- so I see no problem if you wish to make a coordinated change to both. However, the current use of "son" is absolutely incorrect -- it has no RS basis in either IPA or RESPELL guidelines. Your recent reversions of both mine and the previous IP's edits in which we correctly coordinated the IPA and RESPELL symbols was wrong. I suggest you revert yourself -- and if you wish, then change the symbolization of both the IPA and RESPELL using reliable dictionary sources. (By the way -- although personal experience has little relevance to the discussion -- my own residency in Tucson began in 1974 and I've been in the area since 1959.) — CactusWriter ^(talk) 17:43, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

As a native Tucsonian and graduate of both the Tucson Unified School District and University of Arizona, I can tell you the first problem is that the accent is on the second syllable and not the first. Beyond that a quick web search provides some useful information on published (and thus verifiable) pronunciations:

tû-sǒn′ — Ashmore, Otis (1904). A Manual of Pronunciation for Practical Use in Schools and Families. Boston: Ginn & Co. p. 51. OCLC 2791566.

Tooh Sahn — Room, Adrian (2007). The Pronunciation of Placenames: A Worldwide Dictionary. Jefferson, N.C.: McFarland & Co. p. 198. ISBN 9780786429417.

Tu-sahn, with accent on the second syllable — Mencken, Henry Louis (1938). The American language : an inquiry into the development of English in the United States. New York: A.A. Knopf. p. 542. ISBN 9780786429417.

Based upon these source and several others that I have not included, the pronunciation should use "SAHN" and not "SAWN" and emphasis needs to be moved to the second syllable. There are some small differences in published pronunciations for the first syllable, but the current "too" is close to all the published variations I could find (including some that I was unable to reproduce with wiki text). --Allen3 ^talk 17:55, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

So we are in agreement. I (as you correctly point out) was not looking at the coordination of the IPA symbol, was only looking at the change you (and the earlier editor) had made. Will make the changes as discussed.Onel5969 (talk) 18:04, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Okay, so I made the changes, but for some reason it is not picking up my change: Too-SAHN, and is still showing TOO-sahn. What am I missing?Onel5969 (talk) 18:12, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Fixed. {{Respell}} uses an apostrophe to indicate stress on syllables other than the first. --Allen3 ^talk 18:19, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Onel5969. — CactusWriter ^(talk) 18:40, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

@Allen3 -- I disagree with your change to the accent on the second syllable. The accent on the first syllable is considered the primary pronunciation. Even your own source above] lists your preferred version as only a local secondary alternative, not the primary pronunciation. Dictionaries, such as Merriam-Webster, list the first syllable accented pronunciation as the preferred version and the second syllable accent as only a locally-used alternative. I have no problem if you wish to list the second-syllable-accent version as an additional alternative RESPELL, but the primary first-syllable-accent version needs to remain per the reliable sources. — CactusWriter ^(talk) 18:40, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

@CactusWriter: If you want to add both pronunciations, I will not stop you. --Allen3 ^talk 20:52, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

 Done I've restored the common primary pronunciation in addition to the local alternative. (per WP:PRON) — CactusWriter ^(talk) 14:51, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Timeline of Tucson, Arizona

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Artist section

I reverted the addition of this section for several reasons. First, it is somewhat confusing, for example in the second paragraph it mentions that "he" was blocked from creating a summer program, but who is "he". There are some other punctuation and grammatical issues as well. Second, this doesn't belong in its own section in the history section. Perhaps in the culture section. Third, way too lengthy, giving it a weight not in proportion. Fourth, the first paragraph is entirely unsourced. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 11:44, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Agree. Considering the name of the editor, I assume that much of the content is WP:OR as well. Ckruschke (talk) 16:04, 30 June 2016 (UTC)Ckruschke

Arts and Culture update - Gem and Mineral show

I think that the Gem and Mineral show section needs an update and elaboration. This show brings people from around the world to market their wares and find rare specimens, and has inspired a music festival, Gem and Jam. This show is part of what makes Tucson a unique cultural hub, and greatly impacts the lives of the citizens. Calliandra s (talk) 20:02, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Feel free to Be Bold and do it. Ckruschke (talk) 20:04, 6 February 2017 (UTC)Ckruschke

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