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[[User:Rob984|Rob984]] ([[User talk:Rob984|talk]]) 23:42, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
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== Rousseau was french ??? ==

I doubt you can really consider Rousseau a French philosopher. Like his parents '''he was born in Geneva''', grew up in Geneva, had the citizenship of Geneva and spent a large part of his live in Switzerland (Geneva, Neuchatelle, Bern ...). True, he also spent a large part of his live in France but that doesn't really make him french yet. It's simply not entirely correct. It's kind of like saying Einstein was an American Physicist (He got the American citizenship), Euler was a Russian Mathematician (lived most of his live in Saint Petersburg - He's from Switzerland) or Copernicus was a German Astronomer (spoke German and spent a lot of time in Prussia - Nonetheless he was undoubtedly Polish). Besides Tin tin isn't a french Comic either. Even though Rousseau spoke French and was interred as a national hero in the Pantheon in Paris, this does not make him a '''French Philosopher''' that should be mentioned in the Wikipedia page about '''France'''.

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Languages

I am seriously disappointed by the fact that the language section only talks about French. Must I remind you that France is a linguistically diverse country.

Statistics

At the 1999 census, INSEE sampled 380,000 adult people all across Metropolitan France, and asked them questions about their family situation. One of the questions was about the languages that their parents spoke with them before the age of 5. This is the first time serious statistics were computed about the proportion of mother tongues in France. The results were published in Enquête familiale, Insee, 1999.

Here is a list of the nine most prominent mother tongues in France based on Enquête familiale.

Rank Language Mother tongue Percentage of adult population
1 French spanish english porchigies 39,360,000 86%
(note that this figure is an underestimate because people under 18 years of age were not surveyed; see note #2 below the table)
2 Germanic languages
(Alsatian, Lorraine Franconian, etc.) 		970,000
(of whom Alsatian: 660,000;
standard German: 210,000;
Lorraine Franconian: 100,000) 		2.12%
(of whom Alsatian: 1.44%;
standard German: 0.46%;
Lorraine Franconian: 0.22%)
3 Arabic
(especially Maghrebi Arabic) 		940,000 2.05%
4 Occitan language
(Languedocian, Gascon, Provençal, etc.) 		610,000
(another 1,060,000 had some exposure) 		1.33%
(another 2.32% had some exposure, see notes)
5 Portuguese 580,000 1.27%
6 Oïl languages
(Picard, Gallo, Poitevin, Saintongeais, etc.) 		570,000
(another 850,000 had some exposure) 		1.25%
(another 1.86% had some exposure, see notes)
7 Italian, Corsican and Ligurian (Niçard) 540,000 1.19%
8 Spanish 485,000 1.06%
9 Breton 280,000
(another 405,000 had some exposure) 		0.61%
(another 0.87% had some exposure, see notes)
10 About 400 other languages
(Polish, Berber languages, East Asian languages, Catalan, Franco-Provençal, Corsican, Basque, West Flemish, etc.)
as well as those who gave no response 		2,350,000
(of whom English: 115,000) 		5.12%
(of whom English: 0.25% of total adult population)
Total 45,762,000
(46,680,000 including those with two mother tongues who were counted twice) 		102%
(2% of people have both French and another language as their mother tongue, thus, they are counted twice)

If we add up people with mother tongue and people with some exposure to the language before the age of 5 (see note #3 below), then the five most important languages in metropolitan France are (note that the percentages add up to more than 100, because many people are now counted twice):

  • French: 42,100,000 (92%)
  • Occitan: 1,670,000 (3.65%)
  • German and German dialects: 1,440,000 (3.15%)
  • Oïl languages (excl. French): 1,420,000 (3.10%)
  • Arabic: 1,170,000 (2.55%)

Notes on the table

  1. The data in the table are about mother tongues, and not about actual language practice. It states that 14% of the adult people living in France in 1999 were born and raised up to the age of 5 in families that spoke only (or predominantly) some other languages than French. It does not mean that 14% of adult people in France spoke some other languages than French in 1999.
  2. Only adults (i.e. 18 years and older) were surveyed. This means that French people born between 1981 and 1999 are not included in the survey. The mother tongue of the younger generations is more predominantly French than is the case with the older generations, because as the Enquête familiale survey explains, regional and immigrant language transmission decreases dramatically with each new generation, as French replaces the regional and immigrant languages. In the Enquête familiale survey, only 35% of parents whose mother tongue was a regional or immigrant language reported they spoke that language to their children. Thus, the 86% figure of people with French as their mother tongue is an underestimate because the younger generations whose predominant mother tongue is French are not counted.
  3. The concept of "mother tongue" may not give a complete idea of the phenomenon of minority languages in France. This is because there are many people who were born and raised in families in which parents spoke to them only (or predominantly) French, but in which some regional or immigration languages were also occasionally used. One dialects was occasionally spoken. Some of these 1,060,000 people may speak Occitan as fluently as the 610,000 people who have it as a mother tongue, while some other (the majority, probably) have only a limited knowledge of Occitan. We cannot infer from this that 1,670,000 adults are speakers of Occitan, but it may be the case that the total number of people with some form of exposure to Occitan is higher than the 610,000 figure, though some of this number may have abandoned the language since then.

Edit request 3.7.2013 Population should be corrected

Estimated total population of France is 66 200 000 (1st January 2012). It should be noted that currently cited INSEE number does not include Mayotte or COM (collectivités d’outre-mer).

Source: http://www.insee.fr/fr/ffc/ipweb/ip1385/ip1385.pdf

From page four: Le champ géographique du bilan démographique de 2011 reste la France métropolitaine et les DOM, mais sans Mayotte, dont la transformation en département d’outre-mer date du 31 mars 2011. En ajoutant les 803 000 habitants des collectivités d’outre-mer et de Mayotte, la population des territoires de la République française au 1 er janvier 2012 est estimée à 66,2 millions d’habitants.

EEZ - contradicting information

The fifth paragraph says that France has the world's largest EEZ. However, under the Geography heading, it says that France has the 2nd largest EEZ.

Geography

Location and Borders

see description
A relief map of Metropolitan France, showing cities with over 100,000 inhabitants.
world ocean map showing territorial waters of France
France has the World's second largest territorial waters.

The European part of France is called Metropolitan France and it is located in one of the occidental ends of Europe. It is bordered by the North Sea in the north, the English Channel in the north-west, the Atlantic Ocean in the west and the Mediterranean sea in the south-east. It borders Belgium and Luxembourg in the north east. It also borders Germany and Switzerland in the east, Italy and Monaco in the south-east, Spain and Andorra in the south west. The borders in the south and in the east of the country are mountain ranges: the Pyrenees, the Alps and the Jura, the border in the east is from the Rhine river, while the border in the north and the north east melts in no natural elements. Due to its shape, it is often referred to in French as l'Hexagone ("The Hexagon"). Metropolitan France includes various islands: Corsica and coastal islands. Metropolitan France is situated mostly between latitudes 41° and 53° N, and longitudes 6° W and 10° E, on the western edge of Europe, and thus lies within the northern temperate zone. Its continental part covers about 1000 km from north to south and from east to west.

Geography

Location and Borders

see description
A relief map of Metropolitan France, showing cities with over 100,000 inhabitants.
world ocean map showing territorial waters of France
France has the World's second largest territorial waters.

The European part of France is called Metropolitan France and it is located in one of the occidental ends of Europe. It is bordered by the North Sea in the north, the English Channel in the north-west, the Atlantic Ocean in the west and the Mediterranean sea in the south-east. It borders Belgium and Luxembourg in the north east. It also borders Germany and Switzerland in the east, Italy and Monaco in the south-east, Spain and Andorra in the south west. The borders in the south and in the east of the country are mountain ranges: the Pyrenees, the Alps and the Jura, the border in the east is from the Rhine river, while the border in the north and the north east melts in no natural elements. Due to its shape, it is often referred to in French as l'Hexagone ("The Hexagon"). Metropolitan France includes various islands: Corsica and coastal islands. Metropolitan France is situated mostly between latitudes 41° and 53° N, and longitudes 6° W and 10° E, on the western edge of Europe, and thus lies within the northern temperate zone. Its continental part covers about 1000 km from north to south and from east to west. they also loved americans and the efle tower they great freands with gorge washington --72.2.103.236 (talk) 17:54, 26 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"French Republic" is not "the official" name of France.

The one and only name of France is France. "Officaly the French Republic" is inaccurate. "French Republic" is a formal name rather than "the official name", and is seldom used. A French President will always end a speech by "Vive la France", never ever by "vive la Répubique française". Same thing for national sports teams and athtletes, always competing under the name France, the only one ever written on their equipment or outfits. Please, have the proper correction made. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.12.89.124 (talk) 13:52, 29 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

hurricane EAMM is very big its destroyed Florida and texas — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1:919D:5ED0:6DFC:E631:66D6:7C8C (talk) 13:34, 14 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Religion

In the beginning it's said 47% are Christianity while in the demographic page, it's says different it's 51.1% for Christianity. Aakashmajumdar (talk) 16:53, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

France's southern neighbors

Shall we continue to 'also' list the Catalan Republic? Right now, it's considered to no longer exist (if it ever did) & hasn't gotten any recognition from UN members. GoodDay (talk) 17:26, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Meh. The current wording is and Andorra and Spain (including the unrecognised Catalan Republic) in the south and southwest. If it's what it takes to keep the edit warriors away of the article, I say it's worth it. Or maybe change the parentheses to (including Catalonia)? TigraanClick here to contact me 09:56, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Globe map option in infobox

I've added an option to see France on a globe, rather then just in Europe. Interested in what everyone's thoughts are on this? Countries outside of Europe often have globe projections, so the alternative perspective might be helpful? If it's been reverted, here's a permanent link to the revision: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=France&oldid=809247099

I also though maybe a globe centred on France (rather then Europe), which doesn't highlight the EU/Europe might be better? I.e. File:France (orthographic projection).svg.

I'm just trying it out on this article (since France is the biggest country in the EU), but it's something that can be done for all European countries.

Rob984 (talk) 23:42, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Rousseau was french ???

I doubt you can really consider Rousseau a French philosopher. Like his parents he was born in Geneva, grew up in Geneva, had the citizenship of Geneva and spent a large part of his live in Switzerland (Geneva, Neuchatelle, Bern ...). True, he also spent a large part of his live in France but that doesn't really make him french yet. It's simply not entirely correct. It's kind of like saying Einstein was an American Physicist (He got the American citizenship), Euler was a Russian Mathematician (lived most of his live in Saint Petersburg - He's from Switzerland) or Copernicus was a German Astronomer (spoke German and spent a lot of time in Prussia - Nonetheless he was undoubtedly Polish). Besides Tin tin isn't a french Comic either. Even though Rousseau spoke French and was interred as a national hero in the Pantheon in Paris, this does not make him a French Philosopher that should be mentioned in the Wikipedia page about France.

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