User talk:MatthewVanitas

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16:54:40, 18 March 2018 review of submission by ElCamp

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Hello Matthew, I corrected the article's term "community" to "intentional community" — The Camp is not unlike Rock Lodge Club (where we are members) — The Camp isn't a business. Without adding a libertine component, which we're certainly not, it's extremely difficult to monetize a place that meets the values principles and standards of Naturism. Possibly through dues, retreats revenue, and room rentals (200 pesos/night is a touch over $10 US) we might cover operation — it, like Rock Lodge, and other authentic naturist places is not expected to be profitable. It's a gathering place for naturists in this community and a stand for educating about the distinction between non-sexual social naturism, or "ethical naturism" and a somewhat prevailing "playa libra" culture that's at odds with Naturism.

I've been evolving the article's narrative this weekend and perhaps you have suggestions for how I can improve it to not transmit that it's something other than it is?

Thanks in advance, Anthony

ElCamp (talk) 16:54, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello @ElCamp: the "advert" tag isn't to imply the draft is about making money, it's to say that the draft appears to be written to promote an organziation/group/cause. And your draft very much reads like a promotional brochure. It has words like "paradisaical", ad-speak like "only steps away", and then a list of accoutrements that only a promotional material would have (even down to square footage).

The problem is you're writing an article for The Camp, but what we need is an article about the camp.

Overall my best advice would be to gather together independent, objective sources like the Clarin and Time articles, and any mentions from books about naturalism (though ideally not from tourist guides), then clear your mind of everything you know about the topic other than that which is in your independent sources and write the article based on them. You should only be citing The Camp itself for extremely basic information like where it is and when it was founded. That aside, Wikipedia only cares what outsiders say, not the subject itself, so if there is a Fact X about The Camp that you think is interesting but nobody other than The Camp has bothered to ever make note of that fact, we probably don't need it here.

To reiterate: an article needs to be about the topic, not for the topic. Does that help explain? MatthewVanitas (talk) 17:26, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you @MatthewVanitas:! I will follow your advice and revise accordingly.

Joy Spear Chief-Morris entry

Hi Matthew - in terms of your comments about the notability of Joy Spear Chief-Morris, her notability ties to her being awarded the Tom Longboat Award, as the best Indigenous athlete in Canada (female)in 2017, not her success in track and field, although obviously her track career is central to her winning this award. The Tom Longboat Award is on Wikipedia, and we are working to populate the chart by having various winners with their own entries. In Canada, we have had a Truth and Reconciliation commission and call to action #87 pushes for more public knowledge about elite aboriginal athletes. This effort on my part (I am spearheading the collecting and easy access and production of elite indigenous athletes from Canada on wikipedia) has resulted in 162 easily accessed entries, which is addressing this call to action. Clearly, Joy is a current award winner who will be linked to this process (see First Nations sportspeople, Metis sportspeople and Canadian Inuit sportspeople) as soon as her entry is accepted. We are ensuring that the contributions of these individuals is publicly available, thereby ensuring that successful and award winning indigenous athletes may receive this recognition, which appropriately provides their information as role models for indigenous and non-indigenous individuals in Canada and abroad. For these reasons Joy is notable and deserving of an entry, not just her track and field level of competition.Vicky Paraschak (talk) 13:35, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Request on 00:57:00, 20 March 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Erlan Azahra

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What should I fix for my article to be accepted? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Nusantara_Turbin_Dan_Propulsi Erlan Azahra (talk) 00:57, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Erlan Azahra (talk) 00:57, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi MatthewVanitas, How are you? I have done editing with Awasr's draft. can you please tell me, how long it will take? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carlethan (talk • contribs) 09:58, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Draft Review

Hey Matthew,

Help me out here. I have resubmitted the draft for AWASR's Wikipedia profile. This page was previously rejected for faulty reference section. I was wondering if the edits meet your approval. Let us know what can be done better? Also, if you could kindly tell me how long do I have to wait for your review, I shall be much obliged. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carlethan (talk • contribs) 10:05, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Awasr#References — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carlethan (talk • contribs) 10:11, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Gordon Graham

Hello, MatthewVanitas. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Gordon Graham".

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comment on notability of Joy Spear Chief-Morris draft

Hi Matthew - in terms of your comments about the notability of Joy Spear Chief-Morris, her notability ties to her being awarded the Tom Longboat Award, as the best Indigenous athlete in Canada (female)in 2017, not her success in track and field, although obviously her track career is central to her winning this award. The Tom Longboat Award is on Wikipedia, and we are working to populate the chart by having various winners with their own entries. In Canada, we have had a Truth and Reconciliation commission and call to action #87 pushes for more public knowledge about elite aboriginal athletes. This effort on my part (I am spearheading the collecting and easy access and production of elite indigenous athletes from Canada on wikipedia) has resulted in 162 easily accessed entries, which is addressing this call to action. Clearly, Joy is a current award winner who will be linked to this process (see First Nations sportspeople, Metis sportspeople and Canadian Inuit sportspeople) as soon as her entry is accepted. We are ensuring that the contributions of these individuals is publicly available, thereby ensuring that successful and award winning indigenous athletes may receive this recognition, which appropriately provides their information as role models for indigenous and non-indigenous individuals in Canada and abroad. For these reasons Joy is notable and deserving of an entry, not just her track and field level of competition. I look forward to your response. Vicky Paraschak (talk) 20:02, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello @Vicky Paraschak: I get where you're coming from, but since we don't have a specific policy that Longboat Award winners automatically merit inclusion, you do have to find some way to get her to meet the Notable Track Athletes policy I linked on your draft, or meet the WP:GNG for just generally having a body of coverage about her career. Can you cite any more facts about her to serious media coverage, athletic journals or First Nations publications? This is not at all a slight against FN athletes, it's just that we have to have sources to base the article on, otherwise we can't properly substantiate facts about her, which is unfair to her (and makes it difficult to maintain the accuracy of her article) and unfair to the reader.

Please see what you can find to strengthen the sourcing, and if so add those and click Resubmit. And at very worst let me know and I can move the page to a secure place on your userpages with no deadline so you can re-launch the page as soon as she is in the 2020 Olympics, which is an automatic qualification. MatthewVanitas (talk) 03:15, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

thanks for that guidance Matthew and I appreciate your help in getting her entry considered. We will definitely strength the sourcing in the ways you suggest, and resubmit. I look forward to working with you through this process, take care137.207.72.32 (talk) 13:52, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

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Natasha Salifyanji Kaoma

I don't want to be overly critical and I know AfC is a thankless task, but it is always best to check new articles, such as Natasha Salifyanji Kaoma, for copyvios before accepting them. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:03, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello @Cwmhiraeth: is there any automated plugin I can use to help catch those? MatthewVanitas (talk) 03:11, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

This is a link to the tool that I use - Earwig copyvio tool. The pink highlighted areas in the comparisons are what matter, because you often get false positives from quotations and from long organization titles etc. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:21, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

hey boss

whaqt should i do to make my article published?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.207.134.40 (talk) 07:05, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

@Michael Smith Mugote: did you read the message left in the Pink box at top of your draft? Please read it and let me know if you have follow-up questions. Also, please do not paste entire articles on Talk pages, just link your draft like so Draft:Mathias Kigonya. Also, please make sure you are logged in to your account before posting on Talk pages since otherwise it is difficult to tell who is asking the question, and I have to go look at the page to guess who you might be. MatthewVanitas (talk) 22:57, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

WP:CRUFT WP:PRODs

You've proposed articles on a large number of Indian clans be deleted giving "WP:CRUFT" as the reason. Do you care to elaborate on this? ~Kvng (talk) 15:21, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Sure @Kvng: a number of years ago one single editor (who was very non-compliant with feedback on their sourcing and presentation issues) produced a very large number of articles on Maratha clans and sub-clans of India. Fact-checking of their work turned up a ton of issues with non-RS, original research, etc. In the WP:INDIA world the term for this is "caste-cruft", basically using Wikipedia's voice to promote a bunch of internal community legends as serious objective knowledge. I got tired of dealing with that editor, and figuring the pages got very few views anyway I left them alone.

Years later, some major WP:INDIA players were commenting on trying to clear out some of the serious caste-cruft, and said editor has stopped editing some years back (they publicly stated back during their peak that they were very elderly, so may have retired from Wikipedia or died), so I decided to re-engage the issue since there is no longer one very tendentious editor keeping the cruft alive.

I realize some of the articles have valid lists of people using that surname, but 90+% of the stuff in the articles is just the equivalent of blog content and not academically valid, and/or taking passing mentions from quasi-RSs and weaving it into a narrative. Does that help explain? MatthewVanitas (talk) 22:54, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Yes it does. I stumbled into a vein some of these Indian clan or caste articles at some point and found it an odd and contentious corner of WP. Happy to stay clear. ~Kvng (talk) 23:00, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

@Kvng: you are wise to do so, caste issues raise a considerable amount of passion, largely from inexperienced editors who don't want to play by the rules. We used to have several "caste warriors" who unfortunately were also very conversant with Wikipedia procedure and really gummed up the works playing devils-advocate everywhere, but they appear to have wandered off so 95% of the time we're just dueling with angry people with no sense of the rules who can at least be blocked or the pages frozen. Though speaking of Marathas, the article Sambhaji (a famous Maratha king) gets literally daily attempts to either add honorifics or remove unsavory details. The admins added "pending changes" but we still need to drop in daily and deny pendings, but it's really remarkable how relatively niche subjects garner such passion. So you have a handful of people working the topic, most significantly our hero Sitush who have zero ties to India but are perversely drawn to police the content. MatthewVanitas (talk) 23:05, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

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Shivaji GAR

Hello, MatthewVanitas. I noticed you nominated the article on the greatest of Marathas, and of course, Indians, for GA. May I review it if that's alright with you?  — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 17:25, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello @Ssven2: I'm open to anyone but I note Vanamonde93 has also shown interest in doing the review. Maybe you two should speak briefly as to who wants to do what? MatthewVanitas (talk) 02:29, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

If so, then I'll allow him to take it up. Good luck with your GA.  — Ssven2 ^{Looking at you, kid} 06:48, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Chris B

hi buddy how do i get started on creating this artist page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.157.173.117 (talk) 01:23, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Draft: Isabella Matambanadzo

Resubmitting, I hope all has been fixed. I have learnt a lot already. Will also send another for Rumbi Katedza as soon as I am done.

Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Siza Mukwedini (talk • contribs) 10:37, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

undoing my work

How many times will you undo my input? you say you welcome input but clearly, you only want things your way. I even took information from your very very very biased book and put it there, nearly word for word, yet you don't like it. I read other pages in that book and it's an atrociously biased book blatantly stating that the Thkakuri caste, of a region in Nepal, deem themselves superior. That is a personal judgement, almost as stupid as saying all white people think they are superior. Do you see why I have a problem with you removing my efforts to show the input of Thakuri's in other sectors in Nepal? You surely cannot be Nepali otherwise you would know that Farming is a livelihood of every caste and not one exclusively for the Thakuri, therefore your insistence on placing that statement there with no mention of the huge impact the Thakuri caste has made in other sectors is downright disrespectful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thakuriii222 (talk • contribs) 22:56, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Edit - Artist

Hello Matthew. I think that the articles I provided are enough to prove the notoriety of the subject. Can you tell me which one of the articles you think doesn't belong? Or what edits you think I need to make? Thank you. Kurt

Rkurtosenlund (talk) 15:32, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello @Rkurtosenlund: as an initial step you need to formst your cites as footnotes. See WP:REFB for how. Please fix this first and then ping me. MatthewVanitas (talk) 19:16, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

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14:34:56, 30 March 2018 review of submission by Bill C. Cobbs

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I've review briefly reviewed your other work, you do an excellent job keeping facts straight, and I thank you for that because I use Wiki regularly myself.

I humbly request you to please reconsider your original position

Bill C. Cobbs (talk) 14:34, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello @Bill C. Cobbs:

• Have you read the comments left at the Pink box at the top of your draft?
• You appear to be writing mostly to promote your governorship campaign, but Wikipedia strongly frowns on using our site as "social media" or advertising.
• It is strongly discouraged to write your own autobio, see WP:Autobiography for how this can easily backfire and get results that you don't want.
• You have provided zero WP:Sourcing whatsoever for the many claims you make in the article.
• However, I don't think adding sourcing would really help, because honestly you don't appear to meet WP:Notability (people). While you've had a great career, it doesn't appear to have notoriety as being exceptionally unusual or distinctive. Being an LEO is good, being a CEO is good, but I'm not seeing anything indicating your career has been remarkably unusual compared to the many people that have done those jobs.

Again, if you win the governorship you're definitely getting an article, but if you win you won't need to write your own article. Bluntly, if nobody on the planet is more interested that you in writing about you, that's a good indication that you don't need an article yet. MatthewVanitas (talk) 23:28, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

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	Thanks for reviewing my article! I will definitely use the tips you gave me! I always like editors that are very down-to-earth. TheRealWeatherMan (talk) 14:54, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

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Your question at Teahouse

Hi. First, I'd suggest moving the entire thread to WT:Teahouse, as it is somewhat off topic on the main Teahouse page. Realistically, new editors are not going to have either meaningful input for you, nor will the discussion provide any meaningful benefit for them. You're obviously looking to engage the hosts, and the talk page is the place for that.

Second, it has been suggested in the thread that you engage Wiki Education. I'm not sure about that. Perhaps a better route might be to consult with someone that has experience in the Adoption program, which unfortunately is fairly dead. Nick_Moyes is trying to revive it, but Worm That Turned has done more probably than anyone historically with it.

Third, as one of the coordinators of WP:WPSCH, I engage many high school students coming to Wikipedia initially. From my perspective, specific advice might vary depending on where you are going to be doing this. But certainly, an emphasis on sourcing, NOT FACEBOOK, NOTNEWS, OWN, and the need for formal language, grammar and punctuation are good. One thing I use frequently is a discussion of how, since we are now the 5th most accessed website in the world (and the largest that is dedicated to the truthful unbiased dissemination of information), we are putting the more traditional encyclopedias out of business. Since (due to our dynamic nature, not our inaccuracies) we can never be cited as a source and we are eliminating our competitors who can, we have a moral responsibility to provide good sourcing.

Last, no matter how you do it, or how well it goes, please document what you do. Although I'd have no interest in teaching a how to Wikipedian course to kids, it might be fun to teach one to seniors. Good luck, and feel free to ping me or drop me a note anytime. John from Idegon (talk) 06:25, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

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Response to DubaiEditor Userpage

Thank you Matthew, that is also what I assumed. I just wanted to ensure it wasn't self-promotion. ````