Talk:Roger Federer

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The following source can be used to rectify the citation needed situation for the introductory paragraph sentence ("Federer turned professional in 1998 and was continuously ranked in the top 10 from October 2002 to November 2016."): http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/roger-federer/f324/rankings-history

Edit: I see change was made.

Adding timestamp for automatic move to archives Asad2723 (talk) 14:57, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

New Apparel Sponsor

Federer announced a new 10 year deal with Japanese sporting co Uniqlo at $30 million a year. Ravishankarruchir21 (talk) 19:15, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Grammar error

Where Fed's back injury is first mentioned there is a grammatical error around the verb 'prove'. 2a00:23c6:781:4700:101f:66f1:f732:dc47 (talk) 16:19, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

 Done Fixed from prove to proved. Thanks. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:32, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Grammar (kind of)

How about changing;

Mirka had retired from the tour in 2002 because of a foot injury, seven years before she married Federer.[34] They were married... in 2009

To: Mirka retired from the tour in 2002 because of a foot injury.[34] They were married seven years later. 120.16.68.181 (talk) 18:10, 29 June 2018 (UTC)MBG

 Done Not quite as requested but you are correct that it was a redundant line. Thanks for pointing it out. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:24, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Experts are on record saying Federer is "the greatest of all time," NOT "one of the greatest of all time"

Jack Kramer, Cliff Drysdale, Rod Laver, Bjorn Borg, Pete Sampras, Patrick McEnroe, and even Toni Nadal (Rafael Nadal's uncle) are on record saying Federer is "the greatest tennis player of all time." They NEVER said "one of the greatest players of all time." The latter is mere bias on the part of certain contributors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.93.186.174 (talk) 00:19, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Noted and changed. Someone recently edited it, and I reverted those edits. Thanks for pointing out. Asad2723 (talk) 04:56, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Many great players have had people saying that about them. It is extremely subjective and not proper for an encyclopedia... especially in the lead section. It is in Federer's legacy section, though it's really improper there too. It is also against consensus developed at Rod laver's talk page. Fyunck(click) (talk) 05:13, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

So, calling him 'one of the greatest' isn't subjective? It is also an orphan statement without any references to it.

Every opinion is subjective and which is why when an overwhelming opinion builds up amongst those who have credentials to give a well-informed opinion, it becomes the 'widely regarded' view. And such view should be in the lead. Also, don't forget that there are references to it!

Also, please note that both Michael Jordon and Pelé have such statements in their lead. Let's not make Tennis any different because you decide what is a subjective opinion and what isn't. Asad2723 (talk) 05:29, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, Asad2723. The issue here, strictly speaking, is one of sourcing: did the aforementioned experts, along with others not mentioned (e.g., Lleyton Hewitt, John Isner, Nick Kyrgios) say that Federer is "the greatest tennis player of all time," or did they not? They did, and proof is readily available online. Also, Rod Laver has said on more than one occasion that Federer is his pick as "greatest ever." These are documentable, verifiable facts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.93.186.174 (talk) 06:18, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Federer and many others are on record as saying Laver is the greatest ever. Federer just a short time ago said it. The same with Nadal. Same with Tilden and Gonzales and Sampras and Borg. We have sources for all of them. McEnroe and Agassi have changed their minds so many times as to make one dizzy. Encyclopedia Britannica handles it very elegantly with they are all among the greatest of all-time and nothing more. And we have recent consensus as to the way we do things. Subjective water cooler boasting has no place in these articles, especially in the lead. In the Federer's legacy section we can add quotes of others, as we do in Laver and Nadal. And I'm not the only one trying to fix things and make them consistent as @Tvx1: has also helped a lot. Fyunck(click) (talk) 07:21, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Okay, so a subjective line playing safe and undermining a player without any references is better than a subjective line with verifiable sources and references. And Tennis is not a sport like Basketball or Football, so we should treat Tennis players differently. Hell with the Steve Tignor's March-April 2018 list of the greatest, and so be with the Tennis Channel's the 'greatest of all time' analysis. Also, hell with Laver, Sampras, and the fellow players and analysts of BBC, NYTimes, ESPN, etc. I learnt a lot today, but the most important thing I learnt is that an Encyclopedia is not supposed to speak the entire truth when it can speak half the truth without any references, because there will be burn in the rear end for those who find too much 'subjectivity' in the truth. Asad2723 (talk) 16:56, 11 July 2018 (UTC)