Talk:FCSB

Loan

Robert Grecu (FW, number 27) wasn't fully transfered to FC Argeș, he is out on loan to the respective team. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.137.8.143 (talk) 18:13, 1 September 2017

Semi-protected edit request on 12 July 2018

False article, FCSB is not Steaua Bucuresti, see legal decision 84.232.215.140 (talk) 15:59, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: page move requests should be made at Wikipedia:Requested moves. Hhkohh (talk) 16:01, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

 Note: See also multiple discussions above, and note that there is a six-month moratorium on move requests currently in effect on this article. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 16:12, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

+1 Hhkohh (talk) 16:27, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Fotbal Club Fcsb is not FC Steaua Bucuresti Ali.1947 (talk) 00:48, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

The name

The name is Fotbal Club Fcsb. Ali.1947 (talk) 00:47, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

The real name is Fotbal Club FCSB. Fotbal Club FCSB is not FC Steaua București. Ali.1947 (talk) 17:49, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 11 November 2018

FC Steaua București → FCSB – I am now proposing this move of the article to the correct title FCSB according to policies because it has been protected so that only certain users can move it and because there was a moratorium, so it could not be done before. The result of the last discussion was "no consensus" and all our arguments (and therefore policies) were ignored. The COMMONNAME policy states that we give greater weight to sources published after the name change, so we give greater weight to sources published after May 4 2018, when Steaua Bucharest officially changed name to FCSB. We presented arguments that after that date the Romanian Football Federation, the Romanian Professional Football League, UEFA, FIFA and the club itself use FSCB on their websites and other channels, both in Romanian and in English. Also the vast majority of media in English language uses the new name after that date, as we presented examples. Wikipedia is not a soapbox, so it is irrelevant if some English speaking editors hold some emotional attachment to the old name of the once European champions, we must follow the reliable sources after the name change and the opposing camp presented not one proof that the common name has somehow miraculously stayed at FC Steaua București. Linhart (talk) 23:00, 11 November 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. Steel1943 (talk) 05:40, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

• Support as nom. Linhart (talk) 23:24, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose As i said before. Please list out English language secondary source (BBC, Guardian, Skysports, ESPN, Independent, Eurosport, goal.com, etc.) as evidence for the common name of the club . UEFA had a weird way to treat club name , most of them due to sponsorship. UEFA ref can only support WP:officialname as a primary source, but not common name. Wikipedia prefer more on common name than official name. Matthew hk (talk) 08:59, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

I and one other user did it last time, but we were ignored, so I see no point, but here you are again: https://www.goal.com/en-gb/team/fcsb/bpk1d09f7zqtmcp7cis2c1b7i http://www.espn.com/soccer/team/_/id/484/fcsb https://www.eurosport.com/football/teams/steaua-bucuresti/teamcenter.shtml https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/team/1776/fcsb https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-soccer-romania-cluj/soccer-cluj-clinch-fourth-romanian-title-on-final-day-of-season-idUKKCN1IL0TW etc etc Linhart (talk) 09:51, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

• Comment and oppose - the previous RM, as well as imposing a moratorium of six months, said that after that expiration, any move request should lay out clear evidence that English language reliable source usage has changed to "routinely use the new name" and that it is reasonable to speedy close any move request that doesn't address why the previous move requests failed. It seems to me that the latter condition is met, since the rationale for moving (which says all our arguments (and therefore policies) were ignored seems to be explicitly a rehash of the previous move, and shows no sign of understanding why that move failed. I therefore suggest this be speedily closed, unless some actual real substantial *new* evidence, not considered in the last RM, is forthcoming. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 10:29, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

I laid out clear evidence (again!) and pointed to policies, I cannot do more than that. The move failed because you ignored the COMMONNAME policy (I clearly adressed that as it was instructed). Read the policy, we give greater weight to sources published after the name change. Linhart (talk) 10:36, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

@talk BBC calls it FCSB too now: BBC link; as does Soccer Punter as does [RTE as does UEFA [1]. how much more evidence do you want?! All your links are old these are from the latest CL game Abcmaxx (talk) 01:59, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

• Speedy close - The whole point of the moratorium was to prevent repeated rehashing of the same arguments, which is exactly whet this request is. Sir Sputnik (talk) 15:43, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
  • it was wrong decision then and it is certainly wrong name now. Abcmaxx (talk) 01:59, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

All my arguments are in accordance with the Wikipedia policies. Other side has no arguemtns. COMMONNAME is clearly FCSB. Linhart (talk) 15:47, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

• oppose and SNOW close per previous RM and MRV discussion. please let nominator read before a new RM posted Hhkohh (talk) 21:56, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
  • this is not the same as the previous discussions is it, things change, I suggest you actually look at the evidence Abcmaxx (talk) 01:59, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
    • support yes per comments below Hhkohh (talk) 12:00, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
• Comment So the clearly proven fact, that the majority of reliable English language sources repeatedly uses the new name FCSB after the name change is irrelevant? What needs to happen, that you would find this requested move legitimate? Linhart (talk) 07:30, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
• VERY STRONG SUPPORT: a quick Google search shows this is the WP:COMMONNAME, not to mention the legal name for a good few months. The previous debate was closed prematurely, as every known site now call this team FCSB; mostly because they have to. If you type in "Steaua Bucharest" all the results are for "FCSB", not a single one calls this team Steaua: link. All those going "speedY close" you were wrong the last time to ignore all the evidence back then and you are certainly wrong this time Abcmaxx (talk) 01:51, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
• Support – per nom. The club officially changed its name, and by now as idicated per nom all important institutions on the matter has followed the name change. If at time of the previous RfC the situation was still not clear, now seems that it is, and that the nwe name has been definitelly adopted. FkpCascais (talk) 04:43, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
• Support – tge name move only. The moratorium on the issue was six months ago, the limit set therein. For this new season there seems to be more acceptance of news reports etc in English using FCSB rather then Steaua. Crowsus (talk) 12:38, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
• Support – Altough I do believe this team is the continuation of the historic FC Steaua which won the UCL, there is no point to sticking to the old name. Virtually no website in Romania calls the club Steaua anymore, and there is evidence that foreign media also started to use FCSB more.8Dodo8 (talk · contribs) 13:39, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
• Speedy close per moratorium. If it's expired, reinstall it since we're just going to have more recycling of the same arguments. PS: oppose, since this is just rehash. The arguments were insufficient before and nothing has changed. It's hilarious to me that the nom has the gall to cite WP:SOAPBOX while opening a grossly non-neutral RM declaring what is "correct" as if English (and Wikipedia) were subject to some kind Holy Writing Commandments from the Gods of Language.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  19:57, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

No, Wikipedia is subject to policies and something can be correct or wrong regarding them. And you again have no policy-oriented argument, just personal attacks. Congratulations. Linhart (talk) 09:21, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

• Support – As a neutral, I see it right to move the article. Team name is changed, even if it continius Steaua history. Wikipedia is a place where we try to keep articles correctly named, this one should be moved. I understand the fans of the team, but the facts are facts and I strongly believe they should continue supporting the team, but let this happend as it is the right decision. Chris Calvin (talk) 01:12, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
• Support The team is named FCSB everywhere...soccerway, uefa.com, lpf.ro, frfotbal.ro Rhinen

  You say "everywhere" and then list only two English sites. What's striking about this renewed nomination is that the supporters have failed to produce any single new source to back up their position. If the matter was so clearcut such sources should be ten a penny, and I would have been happy to add a support too. But as it is the conditions attached to the end of the last RM, namely that "any move request that doesn't address why the previous move requests failed" have clearly not been met. I've changed my "comment" above to "oppose", to remove any doubt about this. There may be a numerical advantage for "support" at the moment but without evidence, and per WP:NOTAVOTE, it seems like this should be closed and another moratorium applied. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 23:23, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

I know very well why previous one failed and I explained it. The fact is that practcally all sources use the new name after the name change and we presented tons of examples. Why does not your side present us any reliable english source that still repeatedly uses Steaua Bucuresti after the name change in May?Linhart (talk) 06:12, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Actually the official name change took place at the end of March 2017, check the article. Just saying, I still support the move.8Dodo8 (talk · contribs) 19:34, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

The final decision of high court ICCJ was in may. That was when the club changed its name on all remaining channels. https://vaaju.com/romaniaeng/fc-steaua-bucharest-is-the-history-of-becalis-team-last-vice-of-romanias-vice-champions/ Those few sources, not already using FCSB before, followed suit.Linhart (talk) 18:42, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

@Amakuru Comment In case you ignored the previous comment, it is clearly much more than just 2: BBC link; as does Soccer Punter as does [RTE as does UEFA [2]. You really going to argue against UEFA and BBC and RTE sources?! This was relisted in line with WP:RM and the previous closure felt very much like Wikipedia:Supervote Abcmaxx (talk) 19:04, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose as English language RS still use the old name, such as this BBC source The third-best team in Austria last term, they beat Slovan Bratislava and Steaua Bucharest to qualify, the BBC source cited by supporters above is in Pidgin, not English. Iffy★Chat -- 21:07, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Same BBC in another article says: "The other teams who could progress tonight are Dynamo Kiev, Ludogorets, Atalanta, FCSB (formerly known as Steaua Bucharest), Red Bull Salzburg, Zorya, Lazio, Nice and Zenit St Petersburg. So not much of an argument. FkpCascais (talk) 21:29, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

• Support This is ridiculous and misleading, the name of this club is not FC Steaua Bucharest, there is another club using this name. Since when should Wikipedia spread wrong information? I won't add sources as many have been added by other users, but the common name in English and all other languages is FCSB or Fotbal Club FCSB (short FC FCSB), just as the official name of the club. Splur988 (talk) 00:07, 28 November 2018 (UTC)