Talk:Indus script

The Deciphered IVC Script by Ms. Suzanne Marie Sullivan

Here is the link to the ground breaking work:-

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B6jR88LVnUUEODA2bzVZc2JyRDA&usp=sharing3

IVC has been clearly shown to have Sanskrit, Prakrit & Proto-Tamil. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.97.36.254 (talk) 04:46, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

That needs to be peer-reviewed before it can be taken seriously. utcursch | talk 17:18, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

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Is the Indus Script clans and religious concepts?

The Indus Script was used for trade with Mesopotamia and clearly would not have symbolized clans and religious concepts. By promoting such theories, you are making a fool of yourself! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.206.184.113 (talk) 04:19, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

I doubt that anyone has any idea what it was used for.Mcswell (talk) 04:18, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Decipherability question

The concluding sentence in this section reads: "The June 2014 issue of Language carries a paper by Sproat that provides further evidence that the methodology of Rao et al. is flawed." - meaning Rao's methodology is in fact flawed, and Sproat provides further evidence of it. Is that the writer's intent? If so, on what basis? Sooku (talk) 08:41, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

No bilingual texts (like a Rosetta Stone) have been found.

I suggest a need to update this statement reflecting the article "Little man with huge potential". 5.28.168.211 (talk) 16:39, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Indus Script or Indus Symbols?

Are Indus Symbols widely accepted as scripts?--Tenkasi Subramanian (talk) 15:52, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Seals are merely the medium where these inscriptions are found so the correct question would be 'script or symbols'. I believe that there is general acceptance, but no certainty, that the inscriptions are from a script (and the view that the inscriptions are not a script is detailed in the article). --regentspark (comment) 17:10, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

I think what you're doing is equating scripts with written language, in contrast to symbols, which could be anything (stop signs, for instance). If that's what you mean, then no, there is not general acceptance that the inscriptions represent a language; it's a contentious issue, with no resolution in sight. Mcswell (talk) 04:22, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

User:RegentsPark I changed the sub-topic.--Tenkasi Subramanian (talk) 20:28, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Chinese scholar xuanzang says, 1. Referring to the most ancient times letters were numerous. 2. Then Brahma deva and sakra modified the script and letters were 47. Then the different rishis modified and made up different scripts. After a long time people forgot about the script. 3. Then rishi panini modified and made up a new script (new brahmi). Xuanzang is clearly talking about pre indus script, indus script, and panini,s brahmi script for the same language sanskrit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajbaz (talk • contribs) 16:48, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

According to xuanzang indus script is sanskrit script.At panini,s time people had forgotten about writing and reading. Panini revived writing and reading. Panini,s sanskrit grammar ashatadhyae has survived 3000 years. This is a great achievement. Indus script should be called brahmi script or aryan script. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajbaz (talk • contribs) 14:32, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

This paper reads more like an advertisement for Steve Farmer than a proper article

This paper reads more like an advertisement for Steve Farmer than a proper article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 43.224.128.252 (talk) 15:04, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

of course it's a logo syllabic script

of course it's a logo syllabic script — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.111.139.82 (talk) 04:11, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

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"Defuncted"

Even if we ignore the fact that it is uncertain that the Indus script was a writing system, what purpose does the word "defuncted" serve here? Did someone or something come along and defunct it? Meaningless. I'm removing it again and per WP:BRD, please discuss your category here and get consensus for its inclusion before re-adding it. Best. --regentspark (comment) 05:48, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Why shouldn't this new discovery be covered in the article?

i recently made some additions on the discovery of an anthropomorh which is being said to contain both brahmi an indus symbols which was reverted, why this earth shaking discovery which can practically lead to validating brahmi origins from indus script and in turn give much credibility to scholarship which claims to decipher indus script based on brahmi?. There is no question about the artifact being a fact as two such have been discovered and also displayed in international exhibitions. Rameezraja001 (talk) 01:24, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

I reverted your edit because the leap from the exhibition detail to the deciphering of the script was uncited (that's the OR part). Generally, when you make a claim that a discovery is going to lead to something big, you need a reliable scholarly source that says just that. If you have such a source, then no worries, add it and cite the source. --regentspark (comment) 01:34, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

the article clearly quotes the art curator who definitely is a representative of indian government and not a representative of a private art collector that the script is a mix of indus symbol and brahmi, i didn't claim anything, this just what is cited in the report, even if you argue about nature of the script, but it still coincides with late harappan script period and very much related to indus script. This is a massive discovery and i think it definitely needs to have some place in the article. it may lead to many breakthroughs in the future. Rameezraja001 (talk) 01:57, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

You need to source the massive discovery and the breakthroughs in the future part. These are conclusions that you are drawing, but we need scholarly sources to attest that the discovery (not sure if that is appropriately sourced either) is significant. The entire text following "This could lead to possible breakthrough in deciphering indus script ....." is what is OR unless it is sourced to reliable scholarly secondary sources. --regentspark (comment) 02:08, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

I remember looking into this sometime back and will add that:

• Manjul and Manjul's original paper in Pragdhara dates back to 2007
• Even the news report relating to the art exhibition is 5 years old.

However, when I last looked, in the last 10+ years there has been no solid follow up in any scholarly literature about the artifact (Manjul et al had a 2011 conference paper saying that the boar figure bore resemblance to Varaha form of Vishnu; again, nobody seems to have picked that up. Subhash Kak recently penned a Medium post on the topic but that, um, hardly improves the credibility of the claims). Given that history, I too would recommend against including any of such thinly sourced redflag claims in the article. Abecedare (talk) 02:23, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

there are lots of artifacts which have not been picked up and clearly reflects more like, a bias you can call it, or reluctance to give any importance to this very crucial piece of evidence connecting indus valley to vedic civilization. the 34 symbol copper inscribed tablet has also been ignored but it doesnt matter since the artifact has been proven as authentic, my question is, there are two such artifacts of anthropomorhpic figures not just one, if it is falsified why they are being exhibited in the international exhibition by the indian govt an ASI has archived it and why scholars who backed brahmi indus connection only talking about it? why not others? and secondly if they do contain an inscription, why is it not being picked up by the scholars, because it proves the presence of literacy if not anything else in vedic period of india while indus scripts are thought to not go beyond 1900 BC? the figures themselves are stated to be evidence of vedic period, and what is the redflag you are talking about, maybe redflag is for people who are rival supporters of other theories or people who are hell bent on disproving indus script as representing any language system at all. Rameezraja001 (talk) 04:38, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

You seem to have forgotten your one week block in June for personal attacks. So far as the Indian government goes, governments by their very nature are political and not reliable sources for history or archaeology. Let's wait for peer reviewed publications. Doug Weller talk 13:44, 20 August 2018 (UTC) @Rameezraja001: I completely agree with Abecedare by the way. Doug Weller talk 14:00, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

@RegentsPark and Abecedare: speaking of discoveries, I'm not happy with this series of edits[1] at the List of inventions and discoveries of the Indus Valley Civilisation. Ignoring the spelling change to "civilization" which needs reverting, some of these are just things found with no claim for discovery/invention. I suspect some of this is copied from other places, perhaps our articles. I've posted to the talk page there. Doug Weller talk 14:44, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Commented at the IVC inventions talkpage. Also removed claim of discovery of Indus/Brahmi scripts' Rosetta stone from Brahmi script article (it's weird/revealing that everyone seems to cite the same " The Art Newspaper" and an irrelevant youtube video, instead of making an effort to dig up the underlying Pragdhara article!). Abecedare (talk) 18:10, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Indus writing tablet terracotta models from mohenjo daro, indus style mesopotamian seals

vasant shindhe in one of his presentation available online has shown two terracotta model tablets used for writing discovered from mohenjo daro. i think its a very big discovery and dont know why scholars have not covered this discovery which nullifies the argument that indus script was traffic lights/smileys etc. Any one, if you find any scholarly source please add it to the article. There are two mesopotamian seals which are shaped, carved and inscribed in form of indus seals according to Dr. Mark Kenoyer which might represent translation of an indus seal. This argument should also be added to the indus script being a writing system.60.54.13.118 (talk) 19:57, 10 January 2019 (UTC)