Talk:Undertale

Artwork for lead image

It's ideal to have a definitive, identifying image as a lead image that "illustrate[s] the topic specifically" and "give readers visual confirmation that they've arrived at the right page." A simple display of a logo isn't enough to satisfy this, I don't think, since it doesn't show anything about the game itself. The official packaging artwork does however, which clearly displays the game's unique setting and art style. A similar consensus was made in the Rocket League article for its lead image, which replaced a simple display of a logo with an official box art that showcases the game immediately to a reader. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 21:57, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

However, the game was first released digitally, and in the past we generally use the digital "cover" as the image to avoid the impression it was a published game if that was a key defining characteristic. I would add that the art of the Undertale switch cover doesn't really help much compared to the screenshot already in the article, and because we have a free logo vs a non-free cover, it is sufficient to just use the logo. (Rocket League was a different case where we had a non-free (the logo itself) and it was a choice of a different non-free to use. If the Undertale cover had more interesting or useful features, I would reasonable agree to that. Heck, if anything, the original Kickstarter image (the drawn art) would be a better image to use to ID the game than the Switch cover art). --Masem (t) 13:41, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

@Masem: I wouldn't mind using the Kickstarter banner as the lead image. It's better than having absolutely nothing; a repeat of the article's title in a stylised font is as good as nothing for a lead image anyways. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 17:36, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

@Rhain: Refer to my reply to Masem above this comment. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 06:24, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

I saw your response, but I still don't believe that's consensus to change the image. The game's logo is a free file (and, in my opinion, effectively illustrates the topic), which immediately places it as a preference to the Kickstarter banner, which is a fair-use image and should be replaced with a free image where possible. – Rhain ☔ 06:28, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

@Rhain: But as I already stated, it's effectively useless as a lead image because it is a repeat of the article and infobox's title with a stylised font and design. We see nothing of the game itself until the article body, and that's a failure of the lead image. The logo is basically as useful as having nothing in the image parameter for {{Infobox video game}}. Also, three days had gone by since the original discussion without reply or additional comment, so I went ahead with the change per WP:SILENCE which states "consensus can be presumed to exist until voiced disagreement becomes evident." There was no disagreement in those three days nor four days after the change. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 06:45, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 August 2018

It was confirmed in today's Nindies showcase that Undertale will release on switch in September 18, 2018, so... Serouj2000 (talk) 16:29, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

•  Done --Alexandra IDV^talk 18:38, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 November 2018

Deltarune's october 31th's reveal is being considered as a whole game by itself, while it is explicitly only the first chapter (see Deltarune's website as source). Also, the 1st chapter itself says that Toby Fox is working on the rest of the game and will be releasing it in the future (check the library computer's lab at the end of the game). Murazaki (talk) 13:42, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

 Done, sourcing to indicate it is a "survey program" for his project. --Masem (t) 13:46, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Deltarune

As mentioned in the section, Deltarune isn't related to the Undertale besides some easter eggs. I believe that it should be in a separate section other than the "Release" section, preferably "Spiritual Successor", however it's not confirmed to be a spiritual successor. Nevertheless, it doesn't belong in the Release section. WikiBrainHead (talk) 03:37, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

We generally put preliminary details of sequels or related projects by the same dev who otherwise does not have a standalone page within development sections. --Masem (t) 04:17, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 December 2018

I request to fix grammatical errors regarding lower-case letters being in place of capital letters. Esteamerror (talk) 23:59, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

 Not done - I can't find any words in the article that are incorrectly capitalised as you just described. Can you point out where you've found these errors? User:Axisixa [t] [c] 00:17, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Axisixa, they are probably referring the the article not saying "UNDERTALE" all the time. However, @Esteamerror, we enforce MOS:CAPS here. Regards. Lordtobi (✉) 07:33, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Plot section management

I'm starting this talk section as suggested by Ferret's latest edit (Feb 16, 2019), which reverted my changes to the plot section.

A few months ago, I expanded the plot section by essentially rewriting the whole thing. During this rewrite, I removed some elements that included spoilers and information about the game's multiple endings.

What I want to clarify is that I did not remove these elements *because* they were spoilers or endings. I removed them as part of my effort to streamline the discussion of the game's plot in a way that is readable, engaging and that raises the quality of the article. I don't care about keeping the article spoiler-free and my rewrite of the plot section kept many spoilers intact.

Other editors keep re-modifying the plot section in a way that tries to bastardize details about the game's plot to fit into two jumbled up sentences. I am asking for that to stop. Either take your time to describe the game's plot with the detail and nuance that it deserves, or don't. Insisting on summarizing the game's endings and secrets in two sentences transforms the article's plot section into a cringeworthy read that does not accurately reflect the game's true plot progression or substance in any way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaepora~enwiki (talk • contribs) 19:19, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

You're free to help improve the sentences about the endings if you feel they are confusing or poorly worded. However, they should not be removed wholesale. We do not hide spoilers or endings, and since that is the only content you're removing (rather than rewriting), that is the appearance you are giving. Especially since secondary reliable sources have covered the multiple endings, we cannot omit the details. Personally, if the plot section is considered to be subpar now, it might be best to revert to the Good Article reviewed version of the plot seen here. -- ferret (talk) 19:26, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

To add, the fact that Undertale has at least 3 distinct endings is well noted by sources, and this should be covered. --Masem (t) 19:29, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

I don't agree with your judgement, but I respect your seniority as editors and will do as you suggest. Kaepora~enwiki (talk) 18:14, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 February 2019

167.21.42.21 (talk) 14:28, 22 February 2019 (UTC)undertale acually was based off of homestuck

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. -- ferret (talk) 14:39, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 February 2019

Cacdcdamcd (talk) 14:33, 22 February 2019 (UTC) undertale is a awesome game it is availble on many consoles and yucan play it anywhere

 Not done: It's not clear what you want to change, this sentence cannot be added to the article as written. -- ferret (talk) 14:40, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 February 2019

167.21.42.26 (talk) 16:47, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
under tale is stupid and you are stupid and we are all gonna die and the whole world is stupid