Talk:Munich

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Population

The current population is 1.539.298 (Stand: 31.10.2018). I tried correcting the article but it was too difficult. Could someone please correct this?

Pulling rank

I see, it's the capital of "the second most populous German federal state of Bavaria" So, which German federal state of Bavaria is the first, then? 212.203.0.54 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:00, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Since I could not find the first most populous German federal state of Bavaria, I changed the article.--Quisqualis (talk) 21:47, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Saying that Munich is the capital of "the second most populous German federal state of Bavaria" is equivalent to saying that "Austin is the capital of the second most populous U.S. state of Texas". Neither of these statements would refer to a state within either Bavaria nor Texas; rather, they refer to the Federal State of Bavaria and the State of Texas, respectively. Statistically, Bavaria is the second most populous German federal state (after North Rhine-Westphalia, which is the most populous), just as Texas is the second most populous U.S. state (after California). Hence, in fact, Munich is the capital of "the second most populous German federal state of Bavaria" — just as Austin is, likewise, the capital of the second most populous U.S. state of Texas. #ThinkOutsideTheBox Key of Now (talk) 23:25, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Alps behind the skyline of Munich

Picture captioned "Alps behind the skyline of Munich" is edited and does not represent a real life image of Munich. You cannot see the Alps from Munich (except possibly on the clearest days from a very high point) as Munich is 80km from the Alps.

If, to your perception, this image was constructed from more than one original image, with the intention of deceiving the viewer, please report it to Wikimedia Commons.--Quisqualis (talk) 07:44, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

No, you are wrong. I'm siting in the 10th floor of a Munich city building and can confirm that at least in 3 in 10 days, the sky is clear enough to watch the alpine skyline. distance is not 80 but 50km, ie 30-40 miles. There are zillions of Munich images with the alps in the background, preferably taken on a clear automn day with "Fön". BR Ulrich --Nillurcheier (talk) 08:10, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Festivals

I've removed the section on Oktoberfest (there were zero citations or references) and replaced it with a much larger section on festivals as a whole. This is for a class assignment. BethanyJJohnson (talk) 02:38, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Scottish flag

Nillurcheier, the Scottish flag had been in the article before an IP editor decided to replace it with the Union jack. See random previous version. I simply reverted him. Your "no exceptions" doesn't make sense and isn't a policy-based reasoning. I'm not being nationalistic as it isn't my flag but the more specific that you get on information the better it is. If you are pairing with a Scottish city, it makes sense to use the Scottish flag. This does not deny that Edinburgh is in the UK. Actually, to be more specific there is a city flag for Edinburgh although I don't know if we have an image for it...yes, File:Flag of Edinburgh.svg
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 11:49, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

• Please note that the conventions being used on List of twin towns and sister cities in Germany is to use the Scottish flag where appropriate and if the city is in England then the English flag but not the Union jack. I'm following the convention that already exists. It was the Scottish flag that was presented to Munich when the twinning occurred, right?
   — Berean Hunter (talk) 12:00, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Berean Hunter, thanks for the info. It seems that using the "country" flags for England, Scotland and Wales is widely accepted on the English Wikipedia, whereas the German Article on Munich uses the UK-flag. Of course this should be discussed on a general level rather than on the Munich page. And it is obviously an unlogical exception to use subnational flags for just one UN-member. But maybe this has been discussed and decided before? --Nillurcheier (talk) 12:28, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Nillurcheier, I had left a note at Talk:List of twin towns and sister cities in Germany#Talk:Munich#Scottish flag to invite other editors here. The United Kingdom appears to be an exception in other ways. With FIFA World Cup, the English flag is used in the German article rather than the Union jack. The individual countries, Scotland and England, are allowed to compete under their own flags but I cannot think of another situation like that.

I can see the convention of using discrete flags for the UK is widespread here on en.wiki (and would take quite a bit of effort to change) and I also see what you mean about the convention of using the Union jack on de.wiki as I've spot checked several articles there. I've tried to find guidance on this from Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities but I'm not finding it. This 2012 discussion is old and really long. Perhaps a couple of that project's veteran editors may know the answers. @Northamerica1000 and SilkTork: do you know where such guidance is codified? If it isn't, your guidance/opinions would be helpful here.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 14:20, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

It seems that the convention is that when Scottish cities twin with another city, they present the Scottish St. Andrews flag in ceremony and not the Union jack. See this photo at ceremony with the Scottish national flag. This is from a different ceremony. This on a plaque.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 15:45, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

There is no general agreement or guidance on placement of twinning information. There are some editors who are interested in twinning and they will tend to create a separate section especially for twinning information, though there is no guidance for that. Some editors prefer to place the twinning information within the governance section as almost always the twinning is done as part of governance - it is a local authority thing. Outside of the local council, there is very little or no interest in twinning. Twinning is done by the local council, and advertised by the local council - such as on the settlement sign at the borders of the settlement. I have rarely seen twinning mentioned by individuals or organisations outside the local authority. Example of how twinning is dealt with as part of governance: Southampton#Governance. This also avoids the necessity of having a discussion about flags, as in cases like this flag icons are actually discouraged as they appear to be mere decoration: WP:ICONDECORATION. If we have the name Scotland, why do we also need a flag symbol? They are both saying the same thing. Though most people would recognise the name more readily than the flag, so if there is to be a choice between the two, then in running prose the country name is more useful. Flags tend to be used in lists such as sporting events like the Olympics, where the name of the country has already been given, and the flag icon serves as a quick and easy shortcut identifier. Flag icons are not helpful to those who are unsighted and use reading machines. So, my suggestion is that the twinning details be turned into prose without the icons per MOS:LISTBASICS, WP:ICONDECORATION, and WP:ACCESSIBILITY and used within the Governance section. It's clean, informative, encyclopedic, follows existing guidelines, and avoids arguments and confusion. SilkTork (talk) 17:57, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

 Done
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 22:59, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Name in Bavarian

Being Bavarian myself, I have honestly never heard anybody calling München "Minna". Everybody says "Minga" or, much less common, "Micha". I am quite certain that "Minna" is not more common than "Minga", at least not for Bavarians. So maybe this article should only use "Minga", as it can be seen in the corresponding German article about this city. 2601:240:8201:F170:2414:E637:E55D:AEDE (talk) 05:33, 22 September 2019 (UTC)