Talk:Eli Cohen

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yeah eli is a good spy he gave israel all the informations about syrian missile force . so in 1967 they lost

Good idea. I rewrote it completely. Here is the previous text:

National hero. Celebrated 'Nazi-Hunter'. Cohen is most famous for his part in the highly successful mossad operation whereby the Nazi War Criminal Adolf Eichmann. This was an overtly complicated and dangerous mission that took place in an anti-semetic Argentina.

Leaving the POV problem aside, Cohen had nothing to do with Eichmann. -- zero 10:06, 15 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Reverting information

If you would like information, written by Eli's brother Maurice (who was a fellow agent), READ here. Please stop arbitrarily reverting information that is quite accurate. I am re-adding the information about the trees during the Six Days War and his alias's rank before being uncovered. --Stoopideggs2 15:23, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Not sure who you are talking too but I'd like a citation on the story. So far as I can tell the story is apocryphal. It's a documented fact that Eucalypts were first planted in the Golan/Upper Galilee region in the 19th century to assist with water retention in the soil. The place is full of them now (so many that as an Aussie staying on Kfar Blum I was reminded very much of Australia). Even if Eli Cohen had suggested planting the trees over the Syrian gun emplacements it is unlikely to have helped location of the sites by aircraft as the trees would have been anything but distinctive.

If I don't see a verifiable citation for the claim I will delete it. Robert Brockway 07:48, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

In regard to verifiable citations, please note my comment above that recognizes a primary source.

Read his biography here JewishVirtualLibrary

and here EliCohen.org--Stoopideggs2 03:23, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

In regard to the eucalypts trees, I revisited one of the Syrian bunkers (on Tel Fachar) during my most recent trip to Israel earlier this month. What makes these trees that cover the bunkers distinguishable from the other eucalypts trees in the area is that they are densely clustered on top of strategic hills. Conversely, the eucalypts trees that are easily found throughout the valley were planted (by the Pioneers in the late 19th century and the IDF pre-'67) along the roads because they gave ample coverage for traveling cars/people/military personnel from Syrian mortars. Let me repeat: thousands of eucalypts trees line roads in the valleys below the Golan. It is nearly silly to see the region’s anomalous hills, which do signify the bunkers.

In regard to "most successful spies of all times". This is an objective view and therefore cannot be supported by evidence or facts. Objective views have no place in Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.44.162.170 (talk) 11:04, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Do you have a citation for the documented use of water retention?

Be assured, I appreciate your endeavor for excellence and veracity. Stand on Tel Chai on a clear day and look into the valley to see for yourself.--Stoopideggs2 03:12, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Improbably Story Removed

I just removed this:

"On the eve of the Six Day War, two Syrian fighter jet flew towards Tel-Aviv with intent to heavily bomb the largely populated city. Israeli intelligence radiod the Syrian fighters, a message stating their real names and the names of their children. The threatened them saying that if they dropped their bombs, undercover agents would kill their families. The pilots then proceeded to drop their bombs on the sea, radio back to Syrian headquarters that the mission was a success and leave Israeli airspace."

For a start two fighters would not consistute heavy bombardment of a city the size of Tel-Aviv. Even if Israel could identify the planes in flight the claimed Israeli response is improbable. Syrian fighters entering Israeli airspace would have been shot down or forced back through force of arms. Robert Brockway 07:36, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

"? and protection from the sun for the outposts.?"

Amoruso 22:02, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

What happened to this page?

Is it just me or has this page completely changed? A couple weeks ago when I read it it must have been five times longer. Maybe I am thinking about a different article?

-Liore 22:10, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Egypt

I added this article to WikiProject Egypt because Cohen spent his young life in Egypt and qualifies as an Egyptian-Israeli. Our goal is to cultivate articles relating to Egypt, so please discuss his removal here if you still think he doesn't qualify.

--Yitzhak1995 04:25, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

weasel words

'Although the story may be apocryphal many claim that Cohen suggested that eucalyptus trees should be planted around Syrian military bunkers and mortars on the Golan Heights that were targeting Israel.'

who claims exactly?

fairy tails like this have no place in an encyclopedia Rm uk 01:43, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

It's a commonly accepted story in Israel; If it's true is another story. I just did a google search and found it mentioned in an article. There is a book called "Mossad" with a chapter on Eli Cohen; it might be there. Itzse 23:38, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

It is also an entire chapter on Eli Cohen in Gideon's Spies: The Secret History of the Mossad by Gordon Thomas. This is no fairy tale nor is it a fairy "tail." :P --GHcool 22:00, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Come off it. Gordon Thomas writes books in the sensationalist exposé category. Where is this reported by someone in a position to know for sure? --Zero^talk 05:47, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

You don't think that the Syrians would have removed the trees knowing they were the gift of an Israeli spy and as such had an obvious purpose? The story is apocryphal and has zero credibility. Aldiboront (talk) 18:05, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Cohen was a martyr, please do not delete category.

Cohen was executed in martyr's square, damascus on the orders of his good friend Hafez al-Assad. He was a victim of political weakness on the part of the Alawite syrian ruling class, and a pawn in an espionage operation. Israel can ensure the return of Gilad Shalit by further increasing the price of Jewish blood, and ceasing to trade live criminals for dead soldiers. If Gilad Shalit is not released, Gaza will have some problems. 216.171.96.18 (talk) 14:08, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Stop talking rubbish. Cohen was executed in 1965. The Alawites came to power in 1966 and Hafez al-Assad came to power in 1970. СЛУЖБА (talk) 01:50, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Deleted weasel-worded section

I think Eli Cohen was a great guy and an important subject. But the "Achievements" section I deleted doesn't belong here. It was full of weasel-worded POV and unsourced speculation. What external references there were are totally unacceptable. A reference must be verifiable by the reader. "In Arabic" makes verification impossible by at least 90% of English-speaking readers. The article is fine without the opinionating, and there's a nice list for further reading. Unless the article (not polemic) can be expanded with verifiable secondary sources, let's leave it at that. J M Rice (talk) 13:55, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Jurisdiction.

What was he legally sentenced for: treachery or espionage? As a Syrian citizen or as an Israeli citizen? СЛУЖБА (talk) 01:42, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Infiltration and confidence building

There's some 1960s-ish bad writing here that's lip-smacking, hackneyed and non-encyclopaedic in tone ('dazzling beauties', 'the spicier part of a spy's life'). This material is quoted from a poorly written online encyclopaedia, and it doesn't merit direct quotation. The segments of the quotation that are themselves enclosed in quotation marks aren't blessed with a primary source on the page from which they're copied.

This part needs to be rewritten, with proper sources given.

Notreallydavid (talk) 04:06, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

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Nadia's claim of body

Where is wrtiien "In 1965, Nadia, sent a letter to Hafez al-Assad...", maybe would have been to Amin al-Hafiz instead? Or in 1975? A source is needed. Regards, DPdH (talk)

Eli Cohen's love life in Damascus

I don't see how AbuKhalil's speculation that he didn't have seventeen lovers belongs here. She just assumes that he's lying without offering any evidence. It's just hacky nonsense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lukeatomic (talk • contribs) 00:54, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

First, AbuKhalil is male. Secondly, what he does is to point out that the speculations about Cohen's lovelife is just that: speculations. Either we take out all of the silly bragging, or we leave all of it in. Leaving just the first half in, as if it was an uncontested truth...that is not an option, IMO, Huldra (talk) 22:25, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Saying that it was likely self-reported is fine. Speculating that Cohen "invented" this stuff doesn't belong here. Lukeatomic (talk) 02:21, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Reporting everything according to him, is NOT fine. We know that a lot of false information was spread about Cohen, either by Cohen himself, or his employer, the Mossad. Please read Why ‘The Spy’ is a blend of fiction and fable, September 21, 2019, Sami Moubayed, or Netflix’s Mossad Propaganda, September 24, 2019, As’ad AbuKhalil, or any of the Arab sites that they refer to. Huldra (talk) 20:31, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

ABu Khalil s article is not a reliable source of historical fact. Stop edit warring this back in over the objections of at least 3 editors and seek consensus in this page, instead. Here come the Suns (talk)

As'ad AbuKhalil is a professor of political science, specialising on the Middle East. He is more of a RS than the vast majority of sources on this article. That various socks/editors who shouldn't be editing here does not appreciate that, doesn't change the facts, Huldra (talk) 20:51, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

He has no relevant history credentials which are the only thing that matters as far as this historical incident, And his work was not published in any academic outlet. Read [{WP:ONUS]] and stop revert warring this disputed content into the article unless you gain consensus for it. Here come the Suns (talk) 23:17, 26 November 2019 (UTC)