Talk:Ching chong

UCLA's Alexandra Wallace

this should probably be included:

Asians in the Library: UCLA Rant (Original Uncut Video) and Apology Ching Chong! Asians in the Library Song (Response to UCLA's Alexandra Wallace) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arthritix (talk • contribs) 23:21, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

User:Scott MacDonald removed it because it's a "coatrack" and "tells us nothing about the subject as is a gratuitous use of material about a young living person's negative behaviour." Andrewlp1991 (talk) 02:57, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Early Nov. 2011, this has been added again. Removed, for the same reasons as before. The Interior (Talk) 23:21, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

This *is* about a young living person, but it seems worth including, not gratuitous, because (1) it shows that the slur is, unfortunately, live and well among the current generation of young people--not just older generations such as that of Rush Limbaugh and Rosie O'Donnell; (2) it also provides some evidence that others in the same generation are beginning to find this slur unacceptable, suggesting a possible cultural shift; and (3) the incident made national news and was widely covered. I'd argue for re-including it, for these reasons--though I was the one who added it again this morning (7 November 2011). 24.128.189.42 (talk) 02:11, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

There must be better ways to illustrate the valid points you state above. This person's name should not be up on a Wikipedia page associated with a You-tube goof-up. I'm sure she is counting the days until the public has forgotten this. The Interior (Talk) 02:16, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

She's not being "outed" as her name was already published. Still, would editors accept discussion of the incident without explicit mention of the person's name. There are interesting points about 1st amendment rights and the Sacramento Bee's POV about "jealousy" of the racial group.—Bagumba (talk) 02:32, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

The article was deleted and then removed here. This is just censorship. CallawayRox (talk) 17:33, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

What Bagumba said above seems like a reasonably editorial compromise. As noted, this incident raises points about first amendment rights, etc., and simply omitting this widely-covered incident ignores that. Yes, this young woman is probably "counting the days until the public has forgotten this," as The Interior notes. And I feel for her, I do: she's young and made a mortifying decision that, I hope, she sees as a mistake. But at the same time, people who mistakenly catapult themselves into the public eye--whether intentionally or not--still warrant coverage and discussion here IF those cases raise larger issues. And this one seems to. Pretending this didn't happen, and avoiding ANY mention of the issues it raises (see the Sacramento Bee perspective, above), all because she's young and "mistakenly" used a racial slur--feels suspiciously like whitewashing over the whole incident. So perhaps it could be covered without mentioning her name specifically?24.128.189.42 (talk) 19:09, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

I would say it needs a bit of a trim - there are nine externals, most of them are low quality and some of the content is tangential imo and removing it will help - imo the current version it undue for such a minor issue. Off2riorob (talk) 23:33, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

I am assuming you are referring to the school newspaper as "low quality", but I'm pretty sure respected sources like the Los Angeles Times have equivalent info. Still, the paragraph can probably be condensed without losing the essence of the event and reactions. Eventually, this article should deal with the themes of each event, and whether this individual event is major or minor will be less important.—Bagumba (talk) 01:58, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

The more I looked at it, the less I liked it - I removed it completely - shes a one event private person. - Not notable student uploads video complaining about foreign people who use their mobile phone in the library - it might have got reported for a day or two but its not long term notable encyclopedic content. Off2riorob (talk) 11:27, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Sources from 2012 are indication of WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE.—Bagumba (talk) 18:47, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Agree that the paragraph about A. Wallace should be shortened under WP:WEIGHT. Dyaka (talk) 05:06, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Give me a break

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An article about "ching chong" as a derogatory term? Man, that is seriously lame. "Ching chong" is simply one common variant of many which are sometimes employed to imitate what east Asian language sounds like to people who do not speak an east Asian language. It isn't inherently or necessarily offensive, though it could be in certain contexts depending on how and why it's used. It's not used exclusively to imitate Chinese nor is "ching chong" the only phrase used to imitate what east Asian languages sound like to people who don't speak an east Asian language. Moreover, east Asian languages are not the only languages imitated with nonsense phrases. I've heard people imitate German, Arabic, Italian, Spanish, and even Scottish accented English with similarly nonsensical pseudo phrases. This is politically correct idiocy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CannotFindAName (talk • contribs) 00:46, 25 November 2011 (UTC) =Thanks, 100% in agreement, as I'm sure any sane person is.

It's not so much what the word sounds like, but the history behind it (please read the article). To call that "not derogatory" reflects an attitude that treating one group with disrespect is totally okay, but not so with another group (i.e. Jews, Africans, Homosexuals, etc.) I don't understand why anybody would think it's alright to use a perjorative term of any sort against anybody. 142.229.90.134 (talk) 20:58, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

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Tjing tjong

It's not only used in English speaking countries. In Sweden for example, we say tjing tjong. Groff (talk) 22:40, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Former NYC mayor Michael Bloomberg's aide's (alleged) mistakes with American Sign Language

Wasn't there some criticism of ex-Mayor Bloomberg's aide's translations of warnings in ASL as being "ching chong ASL"? (I seem to recall that a Saturday Night Live skit parodied the translations, as well, although I don't think that was coupled with the term "ching chong".) — Rickyrab. ^{Yada yada yada} 03:54, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Interesting aside

Seems like a Google search for "ching chong" turned up with this guy: http://www.dupont.com/corporate-functions/our-company/leadership/executive-leadership/articles/chong.html

Yup... seems like a DuPont president goes by the name of "Boo Ching (BC) Chong". — Rickyrab. ^{Yada yada yada} 04:30, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Misleading information

"The "ch" reflects the relative abundance of voiceless coronal affricate phonemes in the Chinese languages (six in Mandarin Chinese: /ts/, /tʂ/, /tɕ/, /tsʰ/, /tʂʰ/, /tɕʰ/), whereas English only has one: /tʃ/ ("ch")."

English does have /tsʰ/ as well. Anyway you can't count /ts/ or /tsʰ/ because they sound nothing like /tʃ/ since even English speakers can differentiate them. The problem is that according to a study, unaspirated consonants are voiced in 80 percent of the cases, especially in Northern China, so that means you could treat /ts/ and /tʂ/ as /dz/ and /dʐ/. Considering /tʂʰ/ to be the Chinese counterpart of /tʃ/ in English, nearly all phonemes are somehow present in English as well. Another reason why this a bad explanation is that many Slavic languages distinguish between these as well and no body seems to mock these. Yes, I'm aware that the contrast is unaspirated-aspirated in Chinese and voiced-voiceless in many other languages, but the contrast is actually the same. /ŋ/ as syllable coda is also present in Korean and Vietnamese where other stops can be codas too, but Cantonese is no different. This can't be the reason for the racism. This was probably started by some racist and it spread over time. When people comment Chinese songs in Youtube, they actually don't say "Ching chong" because the language really sounds like that. It's because they now this racist joke. These songs often just contain as many "annoying" syllables as other languages, but they have been "brainwashed" to hear these sounds where they are not used, thinking everything sounds the same. And historically, English-speaking people came in contact with Cantonese immigrants first. It became a racist term probably because of Cantonese and even many Chinese people themselves agree that Cantonese is one of the more annoying dialect groups. So applying this joke or explanation to Mandarin is wrong. --2.246.9.166 (talk) 07:16, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Modern incidents

I've just removed this entire section as a WP:BOLD edit for the simple reason that it comes across as a means to accuse or call various people racists. Sourced or not, I fail to see how this content is encyclopedic. If I wasn't an Inclusionist, I would have nominated the article for deletion, but it does serve as a means to explain that its a derogatory term to those ignorant enough not realize it. --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 02:41, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

On the matter of Dennis "Svenskeren" Johnsen using the term it should be pointed that Dennis was not part of TeamSoloMid at the time of the incident, he was SK Gaming jungler as the 48th source points out, it would also improve the article if his full name was used rather than just his IGN in my opinion. It'd edit it myself but alas, I cannot. -- MoeSohmer (Talk) 7:44, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

or other East Asians

Earlier this year, the text was change from "or other East Asians who may be mistaken for Chinese that resided in Western countries" to simply "or other East Asians". I would think that the use of "ching chong" to refer to other non-Chinese East Asians is improper, since the term is used to mock Chinese. The reason why a lot of people use "ching chong" on other East Asians is because a lot of people can't tell them apart. Personally I think it should be reverted. Sega31098 (talk) 00:55, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

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in Poland too! :)

We shout at them like: „Czing Czong, Ping Pong!” — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.54.235.15 (talk) 18:41, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 September 2018

Racial Slurs: Since China has grown in a massive economical giant through out the world, one can experience a lot of cultural indifferences especially in the corporate working environment. Two of the barriers that usually causes conflict, is the language and culture differences. 41.182.147.36 (talk) 23:10, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. What edit are you actually requesting? The prose set forth here is unreferenced and simply reflects a personal view of issues that lacks support from reliable sources. The prose here is also not encyclopedic; "massive economical giant", "a lot," and "cultural indifferences" are grammatically erroneous and/or not encyclopedically phrased, for example. "Usually causes conflict" is unsupported; what does "usually" mean here? Ninety percent of the time whenever any person not from China interacts with a person from China? Wikipedia requires more precisison in discussion than this, particularly in the absence of a source that sets out clearly and succinctly what the issues are. - Julietdeltalima (talk) 23:19, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 November 2018

Another word which is used to mock Asian people is "chigga". 145.131.209.52 (talk) 09:34, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

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I think it would be worth adding something about the recent controversy in the Dota 2 community to the modern incidents. See Filipino Dota 2 players ‘skem’ and ‘Kuku’ banned from Chongqing Major for using racist language against Chinese players (Fox Sports) and After Dota 2 Team Fails To Ban One Of Its Players, Valve Does It For Them (Kotaku) -- 112.97.59.122 (talk) 14:04, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

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Chinese semantic coup

Anglamericans say yada yada yada. Onomatopoeia isn't necessarily derogatory.

You can claim that in many cases, or add a percentage.

Sometimes others aren't able to mimic well the sound.

Many Chinese claim that mimicking is strictly derogatory.
Ok, why do then they mimic strictness? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:587:411F:D00:D3:379A:7FE7:ED76 (talk) 03:38, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Self-subhumanization of the Angloglots

we should mention all facts

the ching chong usage intention (ok even if the intention is frolicky, we should mention that this might cause harm)

• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt4Dfa4fOEY

Dota 2: Players who used racial slurs barred from competing in Chongqing Major

source not covering the full story. source 55: "Dota 2: Players who used racial slurs barred from competing in Chongqing Major". ESPN. 25 November 2018. http://www.espn.com/esports/story/_/id/25366591/kuku-skemberlu-barred-chongqing-major-use-racial-slurs

"He eventually apologized, but he was still banned from the tournament and his team TNC received penalties that lowered their chances of being invited to The International 2019.[54]"

the apologize mentioned in wiki page was a denial made by TNC that later got exposed as a lie. no sign of any further apologize could be found on major esport news-sites

proposed edit: "After an attempt of cover-up goes wrongly, China Dota community got furious and requests Valve, the tournament organizer to steps in. Valve reviewed the case and called for an ban on KUKU from the tournament and penalties on points that lowered TNC chances of being invited to The International 2019."

sources: https://kotaku.com/after-dota-2-team-fails-to-ban-one-of-its-players-valv-1830863539 https://www.vpesports.com/dota2/tnc-manager-takes-the-blame-for-kukus-cover-up-story/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Terrance511 (talk • contribs) 18:23, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Piers Morgan

Perhaps these sources from HuffPost should be included:

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/piers-morgan-chinese-accent-good-morning-britain_uk_5e26ef85c5b674e44b9e21ab

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/piers-morgan-chinese-good-morning-britain-itv-complaints-apology_uk_5e5f71e8c5b67ed38b3ad753

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/piers-morgan-good-morning-britain-chinese_uk_5e8de04ec5b6e1d10a6d1e8e

On 21 January 2020, Piers Morgan annoyed his co-host Susanna Reid when he made a series of imitations of the Chinese language during the airing of a Good Morning Britain live program, apparently imitating the Chinese advertisement featuring Peter Phillips. Morgan then requested that the advertisement be played again, saying "ching chang cho jo," again attempting to repeat what was said in the advertisement. Ofcom has now received over 1,600 complaints in regards to the program, and ITV, which distributes Good Morning Britain, has issued a statement apologising for the incident. Ofcom has stated that it will not investigate on the matter further.

There seems to be more development regarding Piers Morgan's usage of "ching chong" on Good Morning Britain. The apologising statement by ITV and the statement by Oxcom is not mentioned on the article on Morgan, but I think this should be included in the article. 68.191.36.124 (talk) 22:29, 11 April 2020 (UTC)