Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 August 16

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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on August 16, 2020.

Cross-sibling

• Cross-sibling → Sibling#Cross  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete Term does not exist, it keeps being removed from the sibling article as there are no citations that show that it is anything other than an invented term between two interviewed siblings.

Butterfield, Janelle (2013-12-28). "She's my sister from another mister!". the Guardian. Jess is actually my cross-sister, a technical term it has taken us the 13 years since we met to coin.

This clearly indicated that this is an invented term, and not one that at the time of the interview was used by others, and is the only citation that I can find for this term 198.151.8.4 (talk) 23:40, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

IMDB scandal

• IMDB scandal → 1Malaysia Development Berhad scandal  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete Borderline case, but because IMDB redirects to IMDb, I think this could lead to WP:SURPRISE that this does not relate to a scandal at the entertainment database owned by Amazon. 1MDB scandal points correctly, of course. UnitedStatesian (talk) 21:50, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Greek organization

• Greek organization → Fraternity  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Should this be retargeted to Fraternities and sororities? It seems that the current target talks more about organizations outside of college campuses, and they don't necessarily use Greek letters. —Naddruf (talk ~ contribs) 02:40, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

• Comment can also refer to List of companies of Greece, no opinion on retargeting. - CHAMPION ^{(talk) (contributions) (logs)} 03:24, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
• Comment. This could refer to any organisation in Greece, not just companies, or to organisations run by Greeks or about Greece (ancient or modern) anywhere in the world; and in countries which don't have Greek letter organizations (which is most of the English-speaking world), that is how "Greek organization" would be understood. Narky Blert (talk) 09:36, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
• Delete. This is ambiguous and the redirect may cause confusion. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:03, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
• Retarget or delete. Americans would definitely expect this to point to an article on college fraternities and sororities (and not to the broader scoped Fraternity article). Non-Americans would expect this to point to an article relating to the country of Greece. Blueboar (talk) 15:44, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, _signed, Rosguill ^talk 21:48, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

🍜

• 🍜 → Wikt:🍜  (links · history · stats)     [ Closure: retarget ] 

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 July 20 § 🍜 – Soft redirect

I would like to reopen my discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 July 20#🍜. I realized that typing "🍜" in Google search gives many results for its use as Ramen. On social media also, this emoji used for Ramen. I also looked at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 March 6#🥘, and the 🥘 emoji redirects to Paella#In popular culture. So, analogously, 🍜 should also redirect to Ramen#In popular culture. Neel.arunabh (talk) 00:05, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

• Comment. Whilst I sympathise that Enwiki has made a dog's breakfast of redirecting emojis, the last discussion was 2 weeks ago and nothing's changed. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:11, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
• Comment, please remember to actually add RfD tags to redirects in question; I have gone ahead and done this for this discussion. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 19:47, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, _signed, Rosguill ^talk 21:43, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Dragon One

• Dragon One → SpaceX Dragon  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Reopening this RfD for clearer consensus. Retarget to Dragon 1 (disambiguation). Soumya-8974 ^talk _contribs ^subpages 08:59, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

• Support retargeting to Dragon 1 (disambiguation). Unlike Dragon 1, which should definitely remain as the primary topic, pointing to SpaceX Dragon, this one is less clear. The SpaceX program is rarely called "Dragon One", written out like that, and there is also Dragon One Entertainment Group, which really does use the "Dragon One" title written out. So per WP:SMALLDETAILS this could point to the disambiguation page, while the "Dragon 1" would remain as a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 09:26, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

  the "Dragon 1" would remain as a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT.

  Please, please, please understand me! Do you want to rename SpaceX Dragon to Dragon 1 per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC? If someone release a book titled Dragon 1, should the book be about the Dragon spacecraft? --Soumya-8974 ^talk _contribs ^subpages 07:14, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

  @Soumya-8974: No, I'm not suggesting we rename those pages, I think they have the correct names, according to the WP:COMMONNAME policy. Buy that's not the question we're asking. "Dragon 1" can still primarily refer to "SpaceX Dragon" even when the article is not titled that. As if says in WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT: "The fact that an article has a different title is not a factor in determining whether a topic is primary." If you believe that it's not the primary topic, then a case has to be made for that, with evidence. cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 07:47, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support per above; tag as {{R from ambiguous term}}. Narky Blert (talk) 10:41, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
• @Sonic678, Joseph2302, J947, and Shhhnotsoloud: Pinging participants from the previous discussion who have yet to participate in this discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 13:52, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
• Keep. I think "Dragon One" should target the same thing that "Dragon 1" does. There's a hatnote at the target to Dragon 1 (disambiguation) which also covers "Dragon One". Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:22, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:05, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

• Keep per Shhhnotsoloud. Dragon One and Dragon 1 should both have the same target, no need to make any changes. CycloneYoris ^talk! 04:43, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, _signed, Rosguill ^talk 21:35, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Kiwi sticker

• Kiwi sticker → Price look-up code  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I'm not sure that a price look-up code is known as a "kiwi sticker", or that a kiwi sticker is a price look-up code. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:26, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

• Comment There are other redirects for specific fruits or brands pointing to the same target: Apple sticker, Tomato sticker (to be fair, apples & tomatos are shown in an image at the top of the article), Peach sticker, Avacado sticker ( [sic]), Banana sticker, Chiquita sticker, Pear sticker, Plum sticker. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 02:55, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
  • Thanks, I missed that (I was coming from Kiwi... not Price look-up code, but I should have checked). If this RfD results in delete I'll nominate the rest. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:16, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, _signed, Rosguill ^talk 21:34, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Volkswagen ID

• Volkswagen ID → Volkswagen ID.3  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Volkswagen plans to use the ID brand on other future electric models not just the ID3 but there is also a ID4 that already has a article 🌸 1.Ayana 🌸 (talk) 20:18, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Convert to set index since there are multiple models using this. UnitedStatesian (talk) 22:18, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Achillea ambrosiaca

• Achillea ambrosiaca → Achillea#List_of_species  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The plants wikiproject prefers red-links to non-existent species articles. - Dank (push to talk) 20:04, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Delete per project preference and WP:RED. UnitedStatesian (talk) 22:19, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

DWTD

• DWTD → Deal with the Devil (disambiguation)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

"DWTD" redirects to "Deal with the Devil (disambiguation)" on Wikipedia, but when I searched up "DWTD" on Google, it defaults the results as Dumb Ways to Die. Seventyfiveyears at 13:40, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Keep - seems to be a valid redirect. Google's search algorithms results don't really matter on WP. But even on their results there are several other possible uses for this acronym.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 14:18, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

• Keep - Keep with hat note per WP:CHEAP. --Jax 0677 (talk) 14:38, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
• Comment the only two articles on Wikipedia which actually mention DWTD right now are List of K-pop albums on the Billboard charts and List of ABS-CBN Corporation channels and stations (the latter being the target of DWTD-TV). 59.149.124.29 (talk) 23:34, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Petitions

• Wikipedia:Petitions → Wikipedia:List of petitions  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Currently links to Wikipedia:List of petitions; would be better pointed to (the relevant clause of) Wikipedia:External links#Links normally to be avoided. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:05, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

2020 2nd Silverstone Formula 2 round

• 2020 2nd Silverstone Formula 2 round → 2020 Formula 2 Championship  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Requesting redirect deletion to promote article creation (WP:RfD#D10)
SSSB (talk) 10:26, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Neon genis evangellion

• Neon genis evangellion → Neon Genesis Evangelion  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Neon genssi evangelion → Neon Genesis Evangelion  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Miscapitalized and a double misspelling. The first misspelling is too implausible. Also nominating another miscapitalized + implausible misspelling combo. —Xezbeth (talk) 09:14, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

• Delete these unambiguous errors. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:34, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

The Family Jewels (American Horror Story)

• The Family Jewels (American Horror Story) → American Horror Story  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

As far as I can tell, no element of the television series American Horror Story has ever been titled "The Family Jewels". -- /Alex/₂₁ 08:17, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Joe Bishop-Henchman

• Joe Bishop-Henchman → 2020 Libertarian National Convention#Chair election  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete: The redirect points to a section on the subject's election as LNC chair, which includes no substantial biographical information about the subject. The redirect should be deleted to allow for the existence of a red link to encourage article creation. — Tartan357  ^(Talk) 22:02, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Keep Given that the subject is currently the national chair of a national polititical party, he is likely to be searched on Wikipedia. So it is useful for his name to be included as a search term. Also, there is legitimate potential for article creation (given that he arguably meets the criteria of WP:NPOL already and the past half-dozen or so LNC chairs have articles), and a red link is not a necessity for encouraging article creation. Sal2100 (talk) 19:22, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

The redirect you created points to a short paragraph on the election that contains no biographical information on the subject. The fact that he is notable is exactly why we should have a red link; so that people will see that an article does not yet exist. Having blue links obscures that fact. You have not explained why the paragraph you've linked to is an appropriate redirect; you've simply stated that you want a redirect (possibly any redirect) to exist. This is not the place to argue generally against the usefulness of red links. — Tartan357  ^(Talk) 03:36, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 05:12, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Hej (interjection)

• Hej (interjection) → Hey (interjection)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Kill it. WP:FORRED. (I'm about to put a soft redirect at the target to Wiktionary anyway; this doesn't even warrant that much). –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 21:55, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:FORRED. — Tartan357  ^(Talk) 22:15, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
• Soft redirect to wikt. It is a foreign-language term, but it appears in otherwise English-language adverts for IKEA and in stores. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:59, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

  I'd oppose even that much. Soft redirects to Wiktionary are overused already (the one for "hey" is already probably overkill, but it existed for a long time, and it was easier than the hassle of a full AFD); this one is pretty recent and serves no real purpose. Wikipedia is not a translator. The disambiguator on the title makes it even less useful for that anyway. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 19:41, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

• Redirect to wiktionary. Airbornemihir (talk) 15:37, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 05:12, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

• Delete - Nej tack, this is English Wikipedia and foreign redirects do not belong here, see the policy WP:FORRED. They should not even go to Wiktionary, it can be searched separately. Deletion is the only correct option. Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:21, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Drug busting

• Drug busting → Drug-related crime  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete per the RfD discussion for Drug bust, which closed as "delete". Drug busts aren't mentioned at the current target, and it seems that other suitable targets don't exist. Not a very active user (talk) 04:31, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

• Delete per RfD for drug bust redirect. Not a term likely to be searched and not an alternative name for the article so redirect is not appropriate. It serves no useful purpose.--Literaturegeek | T@1k? 04:43, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Template:Flux

• Template:Flux → Template:Current  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This redirect has pointed to Template:Current since 2005 but has only 17 transclusions, so is essentially unused. I recently created Template:Fluctuation formatter with shortcuts {{Fluctuation}} and {{Fluc}}. To avoid having to place a hatnote at {{Current}}, I'd like to substitute out the very few uses of this and change the target to {{Fluctuation formatter}}. (I'd be happy to place a hatnote at {{Fluctuation formatter}} if you think anyone might still remember the old target, but that seems unlikely.) {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 04:09, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

• I don't have a strong opinion here, but I'm more inclined to let that be deleted and save the name for potential future uses that may have something to do with the concept of flux, rather than use it for something different that has a similar name. – Uanfala (talk) 16:30, 16 August 2020 (UTC)