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May 10

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on May 10, 2021.

List of 2001: A Space Odyssey trivia

No trivia section labeled, or list in the article. Delete unless a justification can be proven. OcelotCreeper (talk) 22:06, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

PortuGreek

Enwiki does not appear to have content about this fictional language anywhere. Hog Farm Talk 19:46, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Indonesian English

The target article makes no mention of Indonesia. feminist (+) 16:47, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Love Ducks

This was an element in an episode, but it's not mentioned in the target. Dominicmgm (talk) 14:48, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • I've added Love Ducks to this nomination, as if kept they should end up pointing to the same target. 192.76.8.91 (talk) 17:08, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete both. I can't find any relevant use of "love ducks" in mainspace. I did find, and revert, some vandalism that had been overlooked since January though (the motto of Sorell School is not "I love ducks"). Thryduulf (talk) 18:20, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Button island

Not mentioned in the target article. Dominicmgm (talk) 14:45, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Galadorian

Not mentioned in target article. Discussed at Rom the Space Knight, List of alien races in DC Comics#G, and List of alien races in Marvel Comics#G. Galador is a one-entry dab page. Not sure what the best target is, as I'm not familiar with the comics usages. Hog Farm Talk 14:43, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete: Not mentioned; nor, I think, are we going to bother to mention Galador or his -ian adjective at Gondor. He was the first prince of Dol Amroth, which now doesn't have its own article, so we're into a redirect to a redirect to a redirect for this adjectival form. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:10, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Supply Side Jesus

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was kept. Some edits made to target page Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them, in order to mention Supply Side Jesus. Redirect kept. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Casspedia (talkcontribs) 18:14, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This redirect seems completely irrelevant, granted how Supply Side Jesus is never mentioned a single time in the target article. I would suggest redirecting this to Christian fundamentalism owing to how this term is used as a critique of it, but deleting this redirect is OK too. Casspedia (talk) 14:10, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • In that case, adding the term into the article itself would be an absolute necessity. Otherwise, redirect to Republican Jesus. Casspedia (talk) 16:42, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The article on Republican Jesus is about a related Internet meme that occurred decades later. Supply side Jesus is a cartoon found in the book. It is redirected to the book appropriately. Viriditas (talk) 16:47, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note, after looking through the edit history, the cartoon was discussed in the article in 2012, but was deleted by a misguided editor. Viriditas (talk) 17:40, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Then I think keep is fine. Performing non-admin closure now. Casspedia (talk) 18:10, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Barriss

I don't think a last name should redirect to an article about an incident that mentions a person who just so happens to have that last name. We could possibly redirect to Barris, a more common surname with similar spelling, though I'm not sure if that's appropriate, so maybe deletion is the best option. Damien Linnane (talk) 12:23, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Damien Linnane:, redirects are a very common feature in Wikipedia and redirects from surnames to individuals are common, too: Freud, Einstein, Kampusch. Also redirects from Names to incidents are common: Kyle Rittenhouse, Rusten Sheskey, Eric Stillman. If there were more people with this surname having an article, somebody would have made a disambiguation page (feel free to make one, including Barriss Offee). The 2017 Wichita swatting got a lot of attention, which is why Tyler Barriss is listed in five different articles. If you don't think a last name should redirect to an article about an incident that mentions a person who just so happens to have that last name, why start with Barriss? Better ask for a rule clarification here.
Yours, Ciciban (talk) 13:03, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Ciciban: I'd appreciate it if you didn't patronise me, or anyone else. I know redirects are "a very common feature". Since 2008 I've created over 380 of them on Wikipedia.
I think your comparisons are poor. The surname redirects for Freud, Einstein and Kampusch link to an actual person. The redirects for Kyle Rittenhouse etc are all full names. That's no comparison to what you've done here. We already have Tyler Barriss redirecting to 2017 Wichita swatting. That's appropriate. I don't think your surname redirect is though. If there was no other notable character/person with the last name Barriss I wouldn't have a problem with that surname redirecting to an article on Tyler Barriss, if one existed. But one doesn't, and as you've pointed out, there is at least one notable character who also uses that name (Barriss Offee redirects to List of Star Wars characters). In any case, I find it incredibly unlikely anyone would decide the first point of call for searching for information on the shooting would be typing the surname of one person involved in it into Wikipedia. Damien Linnane (talk) 14:00, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
While I'd prefer deletion, I'm not opposed to creating a disambiguation page for Barriss, now that you've mentioned it. However, I note it's not recommended to move a page nominated for deletion. Also I'm not sure if it's appropriate to disambiguate when the only two entries at that page will be redirects themselves. If someone could tell me the precedent in this situation I'd appreciate it. Damien Linnane (talk) 14:27, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Damien Linnane:
You can always withdraw the nomination. And I see no reason, why this kind of disambiguation should be forbidden. This would be a very special rule. So feel free to make it. And for the rest: Better seek a rule clarification here than patronising me with with your deletion request on basis of what you personally like/dislike/think/don't think/consider a strong comparison/consider a poor comparison.
Yours, Ciciban (talk) 15:50, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disambiguate. I started a draft disambiguation page below the redirect. - Eureka Lott 17:49, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Stadio Olympica

This redirect has a long history, eventually ending up as a redirect to the current target. But I don't think "Olympica" is right: the first reference at the target has "Lo Stadio del ghiaccio" so even if the grammar were correct, the stadium was not known as "Stadio Olympica". Furthermore, as a misspelling, the term is ambiguous with Stadio Olimpico in Rome, and others. On the whole, I think a retarget to Olympic Stadium (disambiguation) would be better. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:58, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

White War (film)

The subject is not a film. The article only exists as this title for about six hours and there is now no page linking to this redirect. It is unlikely to be useful for searching. Sun8908Talk 07:23, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment no objection to deletion. Mccapra (talk) 11:54, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as per nomination. If it was never a film this redirect will not be helpful. Damien Linnane (talk) 14:36, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tang-e Shur

"Tang-e Shur" is one thing, "Tang-e Shur-e Olya" is a completely different thing. Olya means "upper". These abadis are in different counties in the same province. 4nn1l2 (talk) 14:08, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Restore version before it was redirected and send to AfD. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:27, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Since this was relisted, here is context regarding "restore". The Iran abadi stubs had a consensus to mass delete, so the only question at hand is whether or not the redirect should be kept. -- Tavix (talk) 14:11, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep. Without knowing what the rest of the name means, I think this one is okay. Since "Upper" is an adjective, redirecting FOO to Upper FOO when there is no notable FOO makes sense. -- Tavix (talk) 00:46, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 07:16, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Arboretum Oaks Apartments

The article this pointed to was redirected to the current target. As Arboretum Oaks Apartments is not mentioned at the target, I think this should be deleted. signed, Rosguill talk 18:37, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 07:09, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Велике журі присяжних

Delete per WP:FORRED: Ukrainian term is not mentioned in the target, and no special connection for the term to the Ukrainian language. UnitedStatesian (talk) 03:58, 1 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Very weak retarget to Judiciary of Ukraine, otherwise delete. The general concept of a grand jury has no specific connection to the Ukrainian language. 192.76.8.91 (talk) 17:01, 1 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 07:07, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. If the article has no special connection to the language it shouldn't be there. Damien Linnane (talk) 14:35, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Checkgate

Not mentioned at the target, delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 17:45, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: No vote here, just clearing it up .... it's the original youtube channel username, as can still be seen by visiting http://youtube.com/checkgate. Why did the creators open their account under the name checkgate? We don't know, and likely never will .... it's worth a mention that it seems to be a common noun, most prevalent in Indian English, and could at least merit a Wiktionary entry. Soap 18:26, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete until/unless a Wiktionary entry is created, in which case soft redirect. A lot of YouTubers have usernames that don't have anything in common with the name they go by—Tom Scott, for instance, had his channel at /enyay for the longest time, to his chagrin—and I don't see any indication that anyone ever refers to the Cocomelon channel by this name outside of a handful of automated listings. -- Tamzin (they/she) | o toki tawa mi. 17:53, 1 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Earlier account name of Cocomelon per Soap. Jay (talk) 08:19, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 07:07, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Indiana Jones and the Phantom Menace

Not discussed in target article, seems to be an obscure satirical name for target. Created by now-banned user. Hog Farm Talk 06:46, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Raiders of the Phantom Menace

Doesn't seem to be a standard name for the target, likely a joke about the somewhat bizarre plot device of the movie. Google search brings up very minimal usage, so this seems to be the sort of novel or obscure synonym that gets deleted. Hog Farm Talk 06:42, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete as per nomination. Appears to be completely satirical. Damien Linnane (talk) 14:32, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I get where this name comes from, but unless the satirical name is notable enough to warrant a redirect (like Fishtar) it shouldn't exist. Dominicmgm (talk) 14:51, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]