Talk:Operation Trojan Shield

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No prior history

why is there no prior history about this "app"? there was nothing on wikipedia; this article was created in june 8th 2021. did "app" really exist at all? what does actual court documents of arrested people say about the app that was used to gather information and evidence against them? or is there no mention at all of such an "app" in court documents? why is there no evidence of any such app except in publicity coming from law enforcement after the arrests? why is this significant fact not mentioned in this article?

Description

Im not sure it fair to describe anom as a encrypted messaging application as well as the messing app, the court document describe anom as a device, more persisly it seem to be a google pixle phone installed with a customized version of the android operating system. more detals about the device can bee seen a this now removed word-press blog https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:PwQXt6Sn_YwJ:https://anomexposed.wordpress.com/+&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au.it seem like it also contained voicepingapp.com used for walky talky feature.

The info has been corrected in the article since this. For future reference, here's the archived link in case the cache gets deleted at a future date: https://web.archive.org/web/20210608063520/https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:PwQXt6Sn_YwJ:https://anomexposed.wordpress.com/ Uses x (leave me a message) 00:31, 9 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Scope

I'd like to suggest that this article deal with the communication platform. The sting operation should be a separate article. Thoughts? Schwede 66 08:48, 8 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think the two are inseparable at this point, as the communication platform seems to have been promoted solely to facilitate the sting. -- The Anome (talk) 08:57, 8 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with The Anome, one is not without the other. If you have a counterargument, I would be interested in hearing why it should be separated. Jurisdicta (talk) 01:35, 9 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There's not much information about the actual platform. Either way, the article can be 100,000 bytes before we need to consider splitting (right now it's ~15k), so for now at least it's best to keep all the information together especially since they're completely connected. Uses x (leave me a message) 02:39, 9 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unsealed court record

The now-unsealed court record: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/20799201-operation-trojan-shield-court-record should provide a substantial amount of public domain text, as the statements given by the FBI agent are made by a U.S. Federal Government employee in the course of their work, and thus should be in the public domain in the United States. -- The Anome (talk) 09:42, 8 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Name of the app?

I noticed some inconsistency among sources for the letter casing for ANOM. The USA's FBI used "Anom" in at least one of their court filings.^[1] uses. The Australian Federal Police used "ANOM" in a press release.^[2] This CNN article used "ANoM" though I can't see how they came up with that letter casing.^[3] At present this Wikipedia article is using "ANOM" which is consistent with Australian Federal Police usage. --Marc Kupper|talk 15:01, 8 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I would presume FBI:s spelling is the "correct" one, since they commissioned the product. But we should include both ways of writing it since both seem to be used. On a similar note, is it really stylized as AN0̸M? To me the "A" looks more like a capital lambda, and the "0/" looks more like the danish/norwegian Ø, so stylized as ΛNØM ? (compare this. /Sigvid (talk) 16:58, 8 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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President Trump's involvement?

This operation began and evolved mostly during the Trump administration. The Dept of Justice under Trump was noted for a major increase in arrests for international crime, notably child pornography and sex trafficking. How involved were Trump administration officials in approving and coordinating this effort among the cooperating agencies and countries? 96.255.69.229 (talk) 00:27, 9 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Citations for those claims? Anyway, there's no mention of politicians being involved in the actual work, as it's the law enforcement agents who conducted the operation. There are already international agreements for them to work together so that's nothing new, the news is the method of how this was done. I wouldn't be surprised if politicians are trying to take credit as that's just what they do. Uses x (leave me a message) 00:55, 9 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Warrantless?

No mention is made of any search warrants at the outset of the operation. Is it possible that using the Five Eyes framework allows governments to spy on the other four countries' citizens without obtaining warrants? Abductive (reasoning) 08:46, 9 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]