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Following recent changes to the opening by user: GenoV84 describing the movement as "millennialist" (in addition to "Islamic revival" and "messianic") I did briefly explain why I restored it to a previous version. The Movement has in fact been variously described, at times even contrastingly, in the independent literature regarding it. It is not helpful to list all overlapping descriptions right in the opening statement whose purpose is simply to give principal definition to the subject. MOS:LEAD and MOS:LEAD SECTION specifically warn against cluttering the first sentence and overloading it by describing everything notable about the subject. Not all information has to be placed therein. As such the fact that it is centred around a messianic figure/concept and the idea of Islamic revival is sufficient here as an opening definition. Other related elements such as the millennalist aspects can be elaborated upon in the article itself, ideally in the Beliefs section, especially given the considerable overlap between the categories: "messianic" and "millennialist". I also corrected the lexicology (see Naming and Etymology). "Ahmadiyya" refers to the movement while "Ahmadi" refers to an adherent. This is ubiquitous throughout the everyday usage itself and can be confirmed by a plethora of more authoritative academic works, other than the one cited, written specifically about the movement. Saying "Ahmadiyya Muslims" is akin to saying "Catholicism Christians" or "Marxism economists". It makes no sense. -- Sirius8620:45, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Sirius86: I used the term "Ahmadiyya Muslims" in the article simply because Gallagher and Willsky-Ciollo did so in their book,[1] although I realize that it sounds weird and it's probably incorrect, but that's how they referred to the adherents of Ahmadiyya Islam.[1] I somewhat agree on the fact that the messianic and millennialist aspects of Ahamadiyya Islam should be further explained in the article, but nonetheless I don't see the point to remove the entire reference and its notes from the lead section, since it's a reliable, academic source written by academic scholars, therefore it can be used and there's no reason to remove it altogether. GenoV84 (talk) 21:42, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@GenoV84: Thank you. My reasoning for the "removal" of the millennialist reference actually had nothing to do with the reliability or otherwise of the academic source itself, but with the cluttering and overloading of the opening sentence which the Wikipedia Manual of Style on "Lead section" tells us to avoid. The movement has been characterised in all sorts of ways by academics and it doesn't improve the article's quality if all of them are listed right in the first sentence, especially if some of them are peripheral to or overlapping with its defining characteristics as is the case here between messianism and millennialism. I'm not suggesting we remove it altogether. You can, if you wish, include it in the appropriate section of the article. The term "Ahmadiyya" for an adherent is indeed inaccurate and I'm aware that it's sometimes used even by academics who may be unfamiliar with the language. I don't see why an inaccuracy found in an otherwise reliable source, however, should be inserted here when there are many more reliable sources which do use the correct terminology. -- Sirius86 119:400, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
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