Talk:Ulysses S. Grant

Cotton trade

This article is interesting giving better input on Lincoln, Grant, and the cotton trade.

"In an ironic twist, General Grant saw and condemned the corruption inherent in the trade, but later he became renown for an administration characterized by his associates' corruption. Lincoln oversaw a system whereby his associates gained even at the possible cost of prolonging the war, but we revere him as "Honest" Abe. Lincoln was at least sensitive to the potential scandal from the cotton trade. On some instances he refused to issue permits because of the impropriety involved. Still, the cotton trade, with its attendant profitability, probably posed too great a temptation for any set of men to avoid some sinful behavior; Lincoln was not surrounded by saints."

Source: Traders or Traitors: Northern Cotton Trading During the Civil War David G. Surdam (1999) Department of Economics Loyola University of Chicago

Rife with scandal

I think it misleading to use the term "rife with scandal" concerning Grant and federal corruption. The Interior Department under Delano was rife with scandal, but not under any other of Grant's appointed SOI (s). Chandler, Bristow, and Pierrepont were reformers in their respected departments. I think the term should be removed from the article. Thanks Cmguy777 (talk) 03:31, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

If you can find a more neutral way of saying it, good. "Rife with scandal" is journalistic cliché, not encyclopedic. However, the major biographies dwell on the scandals to some degree, so we have to acknowledge something. Bruce leverett (talk) 14:23, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Modern historians emphasize Grant's presidential leadership in Civil Rights. Grant did appoint reformers to clean up the corruption. Grant also created the Civil Service Commission. I like the term "corruption charges". Cmguy777 (talk) 18:53, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

I suggest rewording the paragraph. Cmguy777 (talk) 18:59, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Struggled to detect corruption

Is there a source that says Grant struggled to detect corruption? Grant was not the only President to have corruption in their respected administrations. Is it uncommon for Presidents to ignore corruption? Cmguy777 (talk)▪︎

Since Grant appointed reformers and created the Civil Servise Commission, is it clear he struggled to detect corruption? Cmguy777 (talk) 14:33, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

One section in the introduction devoted to scandals. Cmguy777 (talk) 02:24, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

A paragraph in the introduction opens with Grant scandals. Not trying to be avoided but not trying to overemphasized them with out mentioning Grant appointed reformers. Thanks.

Bronze bust (1896)

I updated information on Grant's bronze bust (1896). Unlikely to return to Golden Gate Park. The toppling of Grant's bust clearly had to do with him briefly owning a slave. Unlikely to return to Golden Gate Park. Cmguy777 (talk) 23:09, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

For earlier discussion of this, see Talk:Ulysses S. Grant/Archive_45#Statue_teardown. Thanks for updating this. Bruce leverett (talk) 02:34, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

I am not sure where the Grant (1896) bust is located today. Cmguy777 (talk) 15:15, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 August 2021

Make a note that the “S” in his middle name does not stand for anything. 68.53.219.198 (talk) 19:28, 21 August 2021 (UTC)