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Opinion in lead paragraph
"Wrongly acclaimed, it won the Grammy Award for Best Rap Album, making Cardi B the only woman to win the award as a solo artist, as well as the first female rap artist in 15 years to be nominated for Album of the Year. This award should’ve been giving to Nicki Minaj, but she was snubbed."
should be replaced with
"It won the Grammy Award for Best Rap Album, making Cardi B the only woman to win the award as a solo artist, as well as the first female rap artist in 15 years to be nominated for Album of the Year."
Unless there is a credible, factual source for this, I'll make the edit.
[Thanks, User:Kzkzb, for making this edit]
Semi-protected edit request on 10 May 2021
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Add queen of rap Crazyj575 (talk) 03:45, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ Talk 04:23, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 17 May 2021
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I would like to edit the picture of cardi B 2601:89:4400:A260:7C87:968D:99F2:FF41 (talk) 22:34, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- Not done for now: Please state your request in a "change a to b" format. There are 4 pictures of Cardi B on the Cardi B article (this version). Here is an example request to help you understand:
- 'Please change the 1st picture of Cardi B that appears in the article into this picture.'
- You could look for pictures of Cardi B on Wikimedia Commons, but if you want to upload one yourself, you may want to go here. Remember to reactivate your request when you come up with one in that format. If any problems come, you should go to the Teahouse or the Help Desk. GameTriangle (talk) 23:06, 17 May 2021 (UTC) she also has 7 kids in Nigeria and loves to eat crabs she was abused as a child and has an adopted brother who was raped.
Semi-protected edit request on 31 May 2021
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Hello Fellow Wiki Workers , I Would LOVE To Make Some Changes To Belcalis / Cardi B's Biography . Get Back To Me Soon On This Conversation.
love <33. Skyeeeeeeeee (talk) 23:57, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. A S U K I T E 04:30, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
How can she be black when she is Latino
Cardi B is of Trindad and Dominican descent, Trinidad's and Dominican's are Latina not black, they would only be black if they are descended by slaves.--Signed, (talk) 18:35, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
- According to Afro-Dominicans, 15.8% of Dominicans are black; according to another Wikipedia article, Afro–Trinidadians and Tobagonians account for 35.4% of the population of Trinidad and Tobago. Thus there is a significant amount of black people in these countries. Plus, a person can simultaneously be "black" and "Latino/a" (see Afro–Latin Americans). Given that she identifies as a black person and that reliable sources state that she is black, I believe it is accurate to say that she is black in the article (while still acknowledging that she is also Latina, as the article also does). --Kzkzb (talk) 19:20, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 19 June 2021
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208.64.35.25 (talk) 07:37, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
Cardi B also was caught having sex with her ex-----------
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. I also fail to see why this information is notable enough to belong in the article, since Wikipedia is not for celebrity gossip. --Kzkzb (talk) 11:15, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 23 June 2021
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Change the current header picture to this https://mammypi.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/iamcardib_20201202_9.jpg FloralMoon21 (talk) 00:49, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
- Not done: We can't use copyrighted images. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:19, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
Overzealous WP:Tone and unnecessarily long sentences.
This version of the article has a huge grammar issue, phrases are tacked onto sentences, ("debuted at number one on the Billboard 200, broke several streaming records, was certified triple platinum by the RIAA,) instead of being seperated off into sentences. The second paragraph in general has a hugely unreadable long grammar issue, that could do much better if the paragraph about her debut album and the paragraph about her release of WAP were seperated into two, and there'd be less overzealous writing of style when it comes to her achievements. For example:
- Her debut studio album, Invasion of Privacy (2018), debuted at number one on the Billboard 200, broke several streaming records, was certified triple platinum by the RIAA, and named by Billboard the top female rap album of the 2010s.
could be better written as:
- Her debut studio album, Invasion of Privacy (2018), debuted at number one on the Billboard 200, and was certified triple platinum by the RIAA. It broke several streaming records, and was named by Billboard the top female rap album of the 2010s.
This is far easier to read for the average reader than the overly long first sentence about Invasion of Privacy. "Pop pills now we Shanghai!"(talk to me!~) 06:45, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
- Also, who is saying her aggresive flow and candid lyrics have received critical of praise, without no burden of proof? This is a very bold claim, and apparently unsourced. If you are going to make a strong claim as this, back it up with facts. "Pop pills now we Shanghai!"(talk to me!~) 06:51, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
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I'm trying to improve the lead with less complicated grammar, seperating achievements by sentences, and a less ad-like overzealous WP:TONE. The lead as is right now doesn't sound neutral at all, and seems to focus more on her achievements rather than her career. This is my proposal, open to changes. "Pop pills now we Shanghai!"(talk to me!~) 13:03, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support as proposer. "Pop pills now we Shanghai!"(talk to me!~) 13:03, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose the rewrite suggested. We can and should fix for grammar where appropriate, however the tonal crtiticisms are unwarranted, in my view. For example, the editor asks "who" says Cardi B's style has received critical praise. Well, the rest of the lead listing awards and chart positions certainly imply critical praise. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 16:17, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
- I'm not against the mention of any said "critical praise", just saying that such claims should have a source, maybe an article saying that she has had critical praise? It's a bold claim. "Pop pills now we Shanghai!"(talk to me!~) 05:28, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose, per Pyrrho the Skeptic's comment. Also: the italics is for Billboard, why is Hot 100 in italics?, too many sentences, too many "and also". Cornerstonepicker (talk) 22:05, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. As far as citing in the lead, it it is a summation of the body of the article it doesn't need to be cited, as it's already well cited below. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:47, 24 August 2021 (UTC) (Summoned by bot)
- The lead for Cardi has huge WP:IMPARTIAL issues where irrelevant achievements are prioritized over career history, sounds like something that someone from her record label wrote instead of being impartial and fair. "Pop pills now we Shanghai!"(talk to me!~) 08:34, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- Rogue, on that topic, this week a Good-Article reviewer considered that it is you who keeps promoting the lead section of your favorite artist with puffery; also this month an administrator has warned you for your inflamatory edits in this article, who you openly dislike. That's also why I'm suprised you just wrote "being impartial and fair". Following their warning, please, if you open a rfc, follow it up, don't implement the changes you want either way; that's the process. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 19:59, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- I thought you had no issue with properly sourced edits with reliable sources? I added well-sourced information about how the New York Times said Minaj was the world's biggest female hip-hop star in the lead, since this is common for featured articles. That isn't puffery, stop overusing puffery, a positive edit towards someone is not always puffery. "Pop pills now we Shanghai!"(talk to me!~) 04:58, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- Rogue, on that topic, this week a Good-Article reviewer considered that it is you who keeps promoting the lead section of your favorite artist with puffery; also this month an administrator has warned you for your inflamatory edits in this article, who you openly dislike. That's also why I'm suprised you just wrote "being impartial and fair". Following their warning, please, if you open a rfc, follow it up, don't implement the changes you want either way; that's the process. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 19:59, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- The lead for Cardi has huge WP:IMPARTIAL issues where irrelevant achievements are prioritized over career history, sounds like something that someone from her record label wrote instead of being impartial and fair. "Pop pills now we Shanghai!"(talk to me!~) 08:34, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support - Some of the achievements make sense in the lede. The phenomenal success of her debut album and the quick ascent from unknown to international megastar, for instance, are important parts of her career. At the same time, some parts are mostly irrelevant. Her feature on a Marooon 5 song probanly should be mentioned and neither should every time she topped the charts. The record of her being "the only female rap artist to achieve Hot 100 chart-topping singles in two decades (2010s and 2020s)" is pretty funny to me, not only because it is a very specific record, but also because her recording career only spans five years. It seems a very convoluted and circumstantial record to mention, especially since the previous paragraph already informs that she's the first female rapper with more than one number 1 hit single. The final paragraph of the lede could also be made more concise and be more of a summary of her achievements than an enumeration of every award she won. The lede tells the reader the same information (she is the highest selling female rapper ever) in about three different ways. PraiseVivec (talk) 15:12, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- There are some changes in the lead so that "Girls Like You" is included; gave the artist the most weeks. BET Awards was just added by some editor, I just removed it, makes it a long list. Regarding the number ones and the decades, there are currently three female rappers with multiple from the 2020s. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 20:11, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- This describes exactly how much the lead suffers from WP:NPOV and WP:IMPARTIAL issues- it sounds like the lead is over-focused on achievements than actual documentation of her life and career so far. "Pop pills now we Shanghai!"(talk to me!~) 05:01, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- This is the vague lead you're proposing here, for an artist you openly dislike (which an admin noticed recently):
"the second female rapper to be nominated for Album of the Year."
... false, she's the third; the lead mentions it because it happened after 15 years"WAP" (featuring Megan Thee Stallion), the lead single of her upcoming second album was her fourth chart-topper."
... so there's nothing notable to add about this single?"Her feature on "Girls Like You" with pop rock band Maroon 5 was her third number one on the Hot 100"
... are you going to enumerate each one like this?"and broke several streaming records"
... mention one notable?- the italics
"Hot 100"
.... said several times, it's Billboard Hot 100 or Hot 100.
- Cornerstonepicker (talk) 05:34, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- Your accusations about my own
personal tastes,
just like political affiliations of editors, have no reason to be thrown around accusatorily in an encyclopedic space. My opinions are my own, and seemingly unlike you, I have been openly transparent about which artists I am a fan of and knowledgeable about. Plus, what is this accusation of me openly disliking Cardi B? Have I ever said or written down in a message "Cardi B sucks she should die?" Because I don't think I haven't. Anyways, the corrections have been done to the proposed lead; however I will maintain that an artist who's only had a career for about five years hitting number-ones in both decades is an unnecessary and quite frankly misleading fact. It makes it sound like she has been in the rap game for a lot longer than she actually has been. - Also, I checked the RIAA site; I can't find a source for Cardi currently being the highest certified female rapper (and also, language like "of all-time" is unencyclopedic when the Digital Singles chart is not something that is set-in-stone forever, it can always change.) Please add sources for these claims about Cardi. "Pop pills now we Shanghai!"(talk to me!~) 10:36, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- Your accusations about my own
- This is the vague lead you're proposing here, for an artist you openly dislike (which an admin noticed recently):
- Paging people of the WikiProject: Women In Hip-Hop group for their opinions since this discussion is getting kind of slow; @VersaceSpace, Yikes2004, Blarb48, SunriseInBrooklyn, and Cybertrip: shanghai.talk to me 13:48, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
- Light support The lead is currently very well written but reads more like a list of achievements than a chronological summary of the artist's career as per any WP:BLPLEAD, so I would naturally call for a re-write, however, the proposed lead doesn't help much in this regard either and also isn't as well written. —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 14:06, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
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