In the edit summary of your change on the page Elizabeth May, you call my addition "without merit" to the paragraph titled "Bullying allegations" NPOV. The source Toronto Star says that a team lead by Toronto lawyer Sheila Block did a thorough investigation. They judged the allegations based on the Ontario’s Occupational Health and Safety Act. The allegations didn't constitute workplace harassment. Therefore they concluded that the allegations were without merit. Because of the independency of the investigating lawyer and her team it is reasonable to assume that their conclusion is a neutral point of view, contrary to your remark in your edit summary. I reverted your change apart from the deletion of the word "completely" to which I have no objection. Otto (talk) 20:51, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Otto. Well, actually I called it contrary to NPOV. That's WP:NPOV. My main complaint was about the "completely without merit". You should indeed have no objection to my removal of "completely"; there's no hint of it in any of the sources. I wouldn't be surprised if the editor who plumped up the sourced statement in that fashion (I know it wasn't you) had a conflict of interest concerning Elizabeth May. Or, to put it more bluntly, was on her staff. I don't feel as strongly about the header, though it looks sort of amateurish to have that in a header. But I see both the editing and the discussion has moved past this in any case. Incidentally, you state on the article talkpage that your editing is informed by your knowing Mrs May personally. That's a conflict of interest, though by no means as strong as being on her staff, which I know you're not. Please click on the guideline link and read. Note, for example, that "COI editors are strongly discouraged from editing affected articles directly, and can propose changes on article talk pages instead". I suggest it would be a good idea to disclose your COI on your talkpage also. The simplest way is to use the template {{UserboxCOI}}. Bishonen | tålk05:51, 24 October 2021 (UTC).[reply]
Notify Free1Soul?
Hi Bishonen. I'm not sure whether or not it's appropriate to notify Free1Soul that they are being discussed on ANI, so I thought I'd leave a gentle reminder here and defer to your judgment. AlexEng(TALK)22:13, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, good idea. I thought of it at the start, since I did mention them, but in the end I merely pinged them. Another user has already notified them. Bishonen | tålk05:28, 26 October 2021 (UTC).[reply]
Flicked you an email but may as well say it here too: apologies for the mild bad temper, it's exam season and I'm sleep deprived. -- Euryalus (talk) 05:42, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Euryalus, wow, you're a student? I always assumed, from your always measured editing, that you were more likely a professor. Or, say, a retired professor, rich in years and wisdom! Bishonen | tålk06:50, 26 October 2021 (UTC).[reply]
Well it's important I think, even at age 8, to put aside our childish delusions of Santa (Ma) and confront the grim reality of a world of badly referenced eighteenth century sailing articles. We become all the stronger for it. More tediously pedantic, but stronger. -- Euryalus (talk) 22:24, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Salt request of FJB
Hey; earlier today you granted my request to salt Fuck Joe Biden; the draft that it was recreated to point to the 2nd time it was remade got accepted (albeit unilaterally) today. It may seem my request was premature as Fuck Joe Biden would be a plausible redirect to the article as is, or it could be that the article is too similar to the old FJB article. Not sure. GhostOfDanGurney (talk) 20:39, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oh for fuck's sake, GhostOfDanGurney. Well, I don't feel like unprotecting the redirect, though of course I have no objection to some other admin doing it at their own discretion under the new circumstances etc etc bla bla. The salting was certainly appropriate when you requested it and when I did it. Thanks for letting me know. Bishonen | tålk05:34, 27 October 2021 (UTC).[reply]
Hi, Ekdalian. I notice the article was last semiprotected for two years! A choice that's not even available in the drop-down menu; the admin has to type it in. I can quite see why Yamaguchi先生 did that, and have followed their example. Thanks for the alert. Bishonen | tålk18:29, 27 October 2021 (UTC).[reply]
@Deepfriedokra: Oh god, that guy? From 2016? I've reminded myself what went down through e-mails from that time. Took a while! Do I have to comment at UTRS? The interface is so baffling, I hate it. I know who he outed, there's no doubt that he did out them, and the circumstances do not allow any notion that he did it innocently. I can fill you in on the details by e-mail if you like. For now, I'll just say: ash behaved very badly, but it was five years ago. Possibly that's reason enough to unblock? If he starts wasting the time of admins and users again, the way he did before, he should be reblocked, though. He was always borderline disruptive, even before the outing horror show, but perhaps he has matured or whatever. I dunno. *I* haven't matured any since 2016. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯Bishonen | tålk13:48, 29 October 2021 (UTC).[reply]
Request for protecting the article on Srivastava; caste warrior, again!!
Hi Bishonen, would request you to have a look at the article on Srivastava, and the caste warrior, Large swipe, who refuses to accept all logic, and persistently fighting with the same old rejected sources used by n number of socks in the article on Chitraguptavanshi Kayastha; the user is edit warring in spite of being informed on their talk page. Please help! Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 18:05, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hey Large swipe, we will obviously consider reliable sources only, but have you even read the sources? Apart from the 1904 (Raj-era) source, all clearly talk about the CKP, and you are citing the same for the article on Srivastava, which is a sub-caste of Chitraguptavanshi Kayastha. It doesn't require someone to be an intellectual to understand this, bare minimum common sense will do. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 05:14, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Bishonen.. would request you to initiate necessary action (you are the best judge here!) for edit warring and ignoring all warnings! Look at their edit summaries, repeating the same lines, which hardly makes sense in this context; doesn't seem to be here to build an encyclopedia!! Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 15:05, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I've read several more articles and reviews about an artist's credits or billing in a film. For someone with an extensive and long resume, I think it's fair to edit down the credits to the one's most notable (Not necessarily famous or name dropping)
The addition of notable auteurs helps highlight the artist's accomplishment.
I will make an attempt with Johnathon Schaech's article.
Hi, User:OldNatchezTrace, thanks for editing Johnathon Schaech. Editing down the credits to the most notable sounds like a good idea. I consider the article overly detailed altogether. For instance, before I edited it here, it made a point of Schaech being offered a job by the Chippendales, but turning it down. That sounds like a pure vanity mention; like a CV where somebody has made an effort to get everything vaguely flattering, however trivial, into the list.
I'll mention, though, that you don't need to remove everything that's not sourced, as you did here; it's a judgement call. Putting a {{cn}} template may sometimes be better. In this case, a recent template was already there. But that's up to you; it's certainly not a very important fact, whether or not it's true. This edit, where you removed "Schaech co-starred in the pilot for CBS's Commuters" seems eminently sensible; certainly if, as it looks, JS was just in the pilot. That's in the 'effortful CV' category, whether or not it's sourced. Not everything that is sourced deserves a spot in a Wikipedia article. In other words, I don't agree with Schazjmd's restoration of your removal, with a cite added. But such details are very much a matter of taste. I generally agree with your additions and removals altogether. (This edit, though, added some really uninteresting details, in my opinion. 😉) Note that you can also use the talkpage to resolve any doubts you may have, for instance to ask for help with this footnote problem. (I'd help you myself, but I'm rubbish with those cite templates.) Bishonen | tålk20:35, 12 November 2021 (UTC).[reply]
I saw the edit summary of "No citation or article found", so I thought that was the only reason it had been removed and was able to find a ref. If OldNatchezTrace (or anyone else) wants to remove that line for lack of importance, that's fine with me. Schazjmd(talk)21:59, 12 November 2021 (UTC) You're right I'll remove this one 13:27, 14 November 2021 (UTC)OldNatchezTrace (talk)[reply]
thank you for getting back to me. I'm trying to help find a consistent way of crediting these artists. It really is a matter of opinion. cite templates are so inconsistent throughout these pages. I'll pop over to see what is being talked about. --OldNatchezTrace (talk) 21:31, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Is that a reply to Schazjmd or to me, OldNatchezTrace? The way to keep talkpage conversations neat and understandable (showing where one post ends and another begins, as well as showing who you're responding to) is to indent all replies with a suitable number of colons. Check how I and Schazjmd are doing it here by looking in the edit field. One colon indents one step, two colons indent two steps, etc. Bishonen | tålk07:34, 13 November 2021 (UTC).[reply]
OldNatchezTrace, do please use the colons as indicated, and use Preview to see how your post comes out. (Nobody's going to notice your latest post, which didn't come out well at all.) I'd probably best post this on your own page as well, since you don't seem to have noticed my post to you just above. Bishonen | tålk13:38, 14 November 2021 (UTC).[reply]
Povel Ramel: question for Bish and any interested TP watchers
1 June 2022 will be the 100th anniversary of Povel Ramel's birth. I think it would be rather nifty if the article about him could be featured on that day – I realise the chance isn't that great, but if nothing else, it would be good to get it to GA status. It's got a way to go, but it would be a fun project to work on. Would you be interested in collaborating? Maybe some other people (@Gråbergs Gråa Sång:?) might also be game? I have his autobiography, and also the excellent biography by Staffan Schöier (Yrke: Povel Ramel). Johanna Broman Åkesson's books would probably also be good sources; I don't own them, but could get hold of them through the library. Låt inte oss förbli de sista entusiasterna! --bonadeacontributionstalk21:38, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The last spasm should be a spasm of enthusiasm. My only Ramel is Multiplied Vaccinium vitis-idaea-legs, a collection of primary texts. But I support the idea. If not FA, perhaps DYK? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 23:25, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, Bonadea! I should get the more important of the books for this. I have one word for you: Bokbörsen.se. But, öhh... Povel seems to have published quite a few books. Which one is actually his autobiography? Bishonen | tålk07:58, 18 November 2021 (UTC).[reply]
Bokbörsen is indeed our friend! His autobiography was published in two parts: Följ mig bakåt vägen and Som om inget hade hänt. They have also been published in a single volume, Povels samlade Livstycken. If Bokbörsen can't find it, povelramelsallskapet.se sell it in their shop.
Cool. I've ordered Schöier and the collected Livstycken from Bokbörsen. And now I keep singing "Far, jag kan inte få upp min kokosnöt" in my head. It's getting quite annoying. Bishonen | tålk11:30, 18 November 2021 (UTC).[reply]
There was a really good version of De sista entusiasterna with P & W on YT, but it seems to be gone. I listened to Svarta Malin instead. "Och Kapten Nilsson! Piraten!" Genius. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:57, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe you should contact WMSE to ask if you might get a grant for the books? Usually you should ask before ordering, but maybe it works? (WMSE because I guess you live in Sweden). It is for a good cause. @Axel, maybe you can answer if I am "ute och cyklar", or not. Best regards, Adville (talk) 16:20, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
In short, Geoff GarrettAO,FTSE/User talk:BlackTea, notable afaict, has had a WP:AUTO on WP without problems for 5 years. Significantly copied from a text he wrote that also appears elsewhere. Then someone noticed and a ton of PAG fell on him. He has been communicative and quite polite at his talkpage. He has expressed a worry that netizens who look at the current Geoff Garrett will think less of him, and to a degree I symphatize.
The "case" is at Wikipedia:Copyright_problems#Geoff_Garrett and will be dealt with in WP-time, which, if he's unlucky, could be awhile. I don't know about suppressing old versions of the article and stuff like that, but WW made a rewrite that looks good to me.
Gråbergs Gråa Sång, it's unusual to see an article subject being so pleasant in response to being enmeshed in wiki bureaucracy, so I'd really like to help. If I didn't hate copyright stuff so much, and if I weren't so incompetent in the area. Sorry. As for mentioning my "alias", ha ha. They mentioned User:Diannaa. Maybe you want to go ask her? Bishonen | tålk10:53, 19 November 2021 (UTC).[reply]
Did not know how to make the >!--example--< stuff. Now I know! Lopbunny69 (talk) 15:54, 19 November 2021 (UTC) (Swapped the signs so it would show.) I originally thought it was <<!example>>.[reply]
Hi, Lopbunny69. The simplest way to get what you type show up on the page exactly as written, instead of being treated as code, is to surround it with <nowiki></nowiki> tags. You get those tags by highlighting the text in question and then clicking on the little nowiki symbol in the line of symbols above the edit window. It's the little "W" crossed out in red. Try it. Bishonen | tålk16:08, 19 November 2021 (UTC).[reply]
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Sotuman, since you merely troll me when I ask a good-faith question, I'm declining your appeal. Did you perhaps have a notion that you're formally obliged to ask the banning admin before going on to the next stage of your appeal? That is not the case. Anyway. Feel free to continue by going on to one of the other stages outlined here. Please stay away from my page unless you're obliged to inform me of something or other. Bishonen | tålk21:29, 28 November 2021 (UTC).[reply]
Bishonen, your request for me to describe the kinds of edits you would wish to make to Flood geology and related pages if your topic ban from those pages were rescinded did not compute. If I were to answer, "Bishonen, I do not plan on making any edits to those pages," then one could say that there is also no reason for the arbitrary ban to be lifted. On the other hand, if I were to fully describe kinds of edits I may or may not wish to make, I would risk violating the current ban. It seemed to me to be a silly question, no offense. I would probably continue making the same kind of edits as I have for the past two and a half years for whatever topic may be of interest to me at the time. Three years ago, I knew very little about the talk pages and multitude of other behind-the-scenes machinations of Wikipedia. I jumped right into editing one article that seemed to offer very little in the way of useful, encyclopedic information, and I got burned. Obviously I wouldn't make the same mistakes again. Anyway thanks for your time, it's always a pleasure. You the man(converse) 05:07, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Really? Since you seemingly already know what "one could say", I don't know why I bother, but if you had said you didn't plan to make any edits to those pages, I would have lifted the ban. It's old, and I'm aware that many users dislike having a sanction in force against them even if it prevents nothing, and would be glad to exchange it for a commitment on the honour system. But with the approach you have taken, I will not. You'll have to ask at one of the three noticeboards indicated. Usually, when I tell people that, I also give them some advice about those boards and the difference between them, but this time I'm too hasty and lazy for any extra effort. I'm sure you can figure it out for yourself. And now, seriously, just go away. Bishonen | tålk08:46, 29 November 2021 (UTC).[reply]
FAR nomination
I have nominated Great Fire of London for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Renerpho (talk) 06:18, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Renerpho, but I won't be joining the discussion, or updating the article with more recent sources. Overhauling old articles is just not work I like, and I don't think I have any particular duty to do it — it's not "my" article, remember. Of course I'd be very pleased to see other people improve it. This new source, which was mentioned on talk, sounds like a must if the article is to remain featured. But also, maybe it doesn't have to remain featured? I'd be fine with that as well. Bishonen | tålk09:18, 29 November 2021 (UTC).[reply]
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