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Category:Pramoedya Ananta Toer

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:32, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Delete. No need for an eponymous category to just hold the main article and a single subcat. All contents are correctly categorised, delete per WP:SMALLCAT. Tassedethe (talk) 23:18, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Tennant Family, South Australia

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:31, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Fix the capitalization and remove "South Australia", there are no other families we need to disambiguate from.. Tassedethe (talk) 22:53, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Mortlock Family, South Australia

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:30, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Fix the capitalization. Remove "South Australia", there are no other families we need to disambiguate from. Tassedethe (talk) 22:52, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Ferrar Family

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:20, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Rename. The main article for this topic is Family 13 also known as the Ferrar Group. At the moment Ferrar Family is not even a redirect. Tassedethe (talk) 22:48, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Freshwater fish of Metropolitan France

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:28, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Being found in Metropolitan France is not defining to a species of fish, especially in these cases where it is not only found there. The Bushranger One ping only 22:39, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Protestantism In Portugal

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The result of the discussion was: keep; though I am renaming this to Category:Protestantism in Portugal to fix the caps. At the time of closing, the category contained one subcategory, the article of the same name, and one additional article. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:25, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Merge. Upmerge single eponymous article to all parents per WP:SMALLCAT. Tassedethe (talk) 22:06, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Zucker Hillside Hospital

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:23, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Delete. While some hospitals have and need categories, this one does not. The category has two articles, one for the hospital and the other for a program operated out of the hospital. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:21, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, please (and merge the two short articles about this hospital). --Orlady (talk) 21:07, 22 May 2014 (UTC){{subst:CFd bottom}}[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:21, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This category says it is for "pages which crosslink by related topics or concepts". Despite the long "explanation" on the talk page I still don't understand the supposed difference between a crosslink page and any other page (e.g. why are some "Outline of <country>" pages categorized here and some not?). Whatever it's meant to be I don't think it fits under Category:Wikipedia maintenance. Note: If this category is deleted then the corresponding template should be TFDed. DexDor (talk) 16:21, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep but re-explain: For more than five years, the category has indexed pages which list wikilinks to related topics/images, rather than to similar titles. Whereas a wp:disambiguation page lists wikilinks to similar titles, a crosslink page lists wikilinks to similar concepts, images, or graphs but with different titles linked. The explanation (at "Category talk:Crosslink pages") should be improved to clarify usage of the category. We do not delete a category when someone does not understand the purpose. -Wikid77 (talk) 17:55, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete having read all the explanations I still don't see why this exists. We have categories for outlines. This overlaps with them in a vague, subjective and non-definining way. That it needs a lengthy explanation on the talk page shows how problematic it is: category talk pages are probably the least trafficked of all talk pages, no-one is going to find it there. And according to crosslink and wikt:crosslink the word has a narrow scientific meaning; the usage here is made up by the category creator, so a very bad basis for categorising - anyone seeing it among an article's categories won't have a clue why it's there.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 11:08, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Largely covered by outline categories. Crosslink appears to be a Wikipedia neologism - thus a terrible idea for a category. I'm also changing the article -ista (crosslink) due to its usage of the word and also the false nature of the description. SFB 13:52, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Vertebral column

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:19, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: bring into line with other members of category:Axial skeleton Mschamberlain (talk) 13:59, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Upper limbs

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The result of the discussion was: delete (category has remained empty and has no parents). Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:17, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: empty Mschamberlain (talk) 13:53, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Bones of the torso

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:18, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: renaming specifies sternum/ribs etc, excluding the vertebrae/pelvic bones which are already categorised elsewhere Mschamberlain (talk) 13:41, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Kiowa tribe

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:15, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Primary meaning, see Kiowa. Not eligible for speedy process as I only just moved the article over a redirect from an undiscussed move in 2011. Category:Kiowa is currently a disambiguation page because there is also Category:Kiowa language, but this disambiguation is not necessary IMHO. – Fayenatic London 08:56, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Conscript militaries

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The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 08:20, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: That a military force currently utilizes any amount of conscripted personnel is not a permanent WP:DEFINING characteristic of the organization. There is a list at Conscription#Countries_with_and_without_mandatory_military_service which can cover complexities such as whether an alternative option to military service is available. DexDor (talk) 06:11, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and remove entries when no longer conscript: When a military force changes, to longer require conscription (or drafting) of personnel, then simply remove from the category, not delete the category because entries could change. -Wikid77 (talk) 17:55, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • leaning delete Given the large number of members, I am moved to observe that what's missing is a category of all-volunteer militaries. It's tempting to guess that they are the exception and that conscription is the rule, but I suspect that every the all-volunteers used conscripts at various times. So at this point I'd have to say that this isn't defining. Mangoe (talk) 15:12, 20 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Because this changes over time, it's not a great idea to categorize by this feature. (In general, categories should be "timeless" and not require constant checking and updating—in other words, once an article is added, it should be able to stay forever.) I also agree with the nominator that it's not always as simple as a "yes/no", which is all the category allows for. A list already exists so there will be no loss of information. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:15, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - If some militaries are described in terms of their timeframe (e.g., "Russia 19th century army"), then it might make sense. If militaries are never described in discrete enough timeframes to enable specific labeling, then I have to go with Good Olfactory on this one. Seems like a good topic for a list, though. --Lquilter (talk) 00:47, 30 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Personal computer automation software

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:13, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Why use the long name and then use sort keys to sort it under "Automation software"? And let it have automation software for other forms of computers too, if they are notable. It won't grow much. Codename Lisa (talk) 02:58, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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