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Separate article?

Does this really require a separate article? Why not include it in Casualties of the Russo-Ukrainian War? Bommbass (talk) 09:33, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The topic merits a separate List article for a number of reasons. WP:SAL explains where a "stand alone" list article is appropriate. The most important consideration for a stand alone list is notability. The categories 'lists of generals' and 'Russian generals' are recognition of stand alone notability for generals. Add to this the number of reliable sources which comment specifically on the deaths of Russian generals as a defining aspect of this invasion. Yes, the article can be improved. The best way to contribute is if people continue to add names to the list. AugusteBlanqui (talk) 11:53, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Magomed Tushayev

Should General Magomed Tushayev be included here? He was killed while leading a regiment of "Chechen National Guard" on the Russian side in Ukraine on March 26th -- KrisFricke[1] — Preceding undated comment added 11:33, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Certainly! Thank you. AugusteBlanqui (talk) 12:00, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Death was a fake, I have reverted. Take a look at the past discussion.Mr.User200 (talk) 07:37, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Take a look here Discussion.Mr.User200 (talk) 07:39, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Mr.User200: Do you have any source that says he's not dead? We have a low-tier RS saying he did die (dated 4 days ago).[1] A lot of the initial reports are wrong, though. Solipsism 101 (talk) 18:45, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And this from yesterday. Solipsism 101 (talk) 18:47, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, this was debated before. if you want to go directly to the source see also here [2].Mr.User200 (talk) 20:20, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Mr.User200: I did read the deletion discussion and I failed to find any source. With the source you linked here, all it says is that Ramzan Kadyrov disputes Tushayev's death and posted a video of him allegedly in Ukraine. On his own Telegram channel, however, Kadyrov disputed that Tushayev had been killed. He uploaded a video purporting to show Tushayev with Anzor Bisaev, another Chechen commander who was in Ukraine. “They are more alive than the living,” he wrote. Emphasis added. Kadyrov is not a reliable narrator. As it stands, and more info can certainly come out, we have the Jerusalem Post, The Times of Israel, The Independent reporting this; the first adopting the claim and the latter saying it had been confirmed by Interfax-Ukraine. Solipsism 101 (talk) 22:34, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Enough to be considered disputed. Should a recording of the video call be considered enough for you, or not? I remember seeing one over there.Mr.User200 (talk) 23:19, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Video from 16 March of Tushayev denying his "death" allegations from the internet.Mr.User200 (talk) 23:36, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This is not an RS whatsoever. His death was reported in multiple RS. My very best wishes (talk) 01:16, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It's not blacklisted, and shows a video of him alive the second after the video call with the Chechen president, stop the denial mode. By the way the first source that claimed Tushayev death was Daily Mail, the first ever blacklisted source in English Wikipedia. Enough to not be considered, primary source does not have credibility.Mr.User200 (talk) 12:30, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Unlike the other Russian generals, who seem to have been quietly confirmed by Russia to have been killed, the Chechen's death is the only one whos death has been actively disputed. Unless it could be verifiably proven he has been killed, better to remove him from the list. It should also be noted most RS these days that are mentioning the death of Oleg Mityaev, refer to him as Russia's fourth killed general, not fifth if we included Tushayev. If some editors still think he warrants inclusion in the article, maybe the best solution would be to remove him from the table listing, but mention his alleged death by Ukraine in the article text, along with the denials. EkoGraf (talk) 13:27, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have no objection to how it is currently set up, i.e. in its own disputed table. Solipsism 101 (talk) 14:58, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm fine with that too Cloudjpk (talk) 16:56, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.jpost.com/international/article-699032
  2. ^ "Russia Tries to Terrorize Ukraine with Images of Chechen Soldiers". Archived from the original on 27 February 2022. Retrieved 27 February 2022.

Magomed Tushayev

Shouldn't Magomed Tushayev be also added to this list? He was Chechen but still he was fighting on the Russian side. 2A02:A312:C539:7F80:9156:2D63:3D9D:79DA (talk) 13:16, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, of course he should be included. My very best wishes (talk) 01:15, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Stray no, there are videos of him alive and one of him denying it's death allegations. Enough to be a disputed claim.Mr.User200 (talk) 12:32, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Mr.USer200 - do you understand that "disputed" is not the same as "disproven"? Your comments on this talk page strongly suggest that you want the claim removed entirely, and that is going well beyond what careful treatment of sources would demand. If I were to encounter a situation such as this in my work (I'm an historian), I would be obliged to mention both the claim and the disputation thereof, explaining the sources for both and explicitly stating the degree of uncertainty regarding the veracity of both the claim and the disputation. I strongly recommend you subscribe to that line of reasoning. 82.176.221.176 (talk) 11:45, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly; it is disputed, there is uncertainty, and veracity is an issue. At the moment, the article would be inaccurate if it said he is definitely dead or definitely alive. The article is accurate in presenting conflicting stories from different sources. Cloudjpk (talk) 17:07, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Andrey Paliy

The Telegraph says Paliy "is the sixth top military figure to die during the invasion of Ukraine"; he is the deputy commander of the Russian Black Sea Fleet. Other sources say his rank is "First rank captain"[2], which would be Captain 1st rank and equivalent to a colonel. As such, this person would appear to not be equivalent to a general officer. We have a few colonels killed as it stands.[3] Solipsism 101 (talk) 17:15, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

wow, this looks confirmed. In addition to The Telegraph we have[1]: Russia confirmed on daily newspaper Kommersant that deputy Black Sea fleet commander Andrey Paliy died while fighting in the Mariupol region. If this article survives deletion and we get another source or two for Paliy then we could change the name of the article to List of Russian generals and flag officers killed during the 2022 invasion of Ukraine. I know a number of colonels have also been killed by Ukraine. However, my preference in keeping with WP:NLIST would be to keep this article for at least the rank of general/admiral (or equivalent). AugusteBlanqui (talk) 18:13, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I agree with excluding the lower ranks as it stands. The info below general level KIA is a lot murkier too. Solipsism 101 (talk) 18:53, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Although, The Times is saying five colonels have been killed.[4] Solipsism 101 (talk) 14:57, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
General/Admiral/Flag officer is so distinct and really one of the more notable aspects of this invasion. But yes, evidently there are loads of colonels and the naval captain. So would you say that if the article survives deletion we have a RFC about renaming it? Restricting to flag officers as distinct and notable would be my weak preference but I'm happy to let an RfC decide if the article survives!
Actually, on second thought, my concern for widening it to ranks below flag officers is that it would make the article easier to delete or merge at some point in the future as some editors who have voted delete have intimated. AugusteBlanqui (talk) 18:21, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

AugusteBlanqui (talk) 15:07, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I don't suggest we extend it to colonels (just yet, anyway). My point was that the info is less murky than I thought. If that info becomes more concrete in the future, I would likely support extending it. Perhaps we could add this info to the introductory text, though? Solipsism 101 (talk) 18:45, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Great idea AugusteBlanqui (talk) 19:15, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I added a line to the article lead about senior commanders. In addition, it may be worth mentioning that, as far as we know, these are all deaths as a result of hostile fire rather than accidents. From what I can gather, historically flag officer deaths are often a result of accidents (plane crash or 'friendly' fire) rather than hostile fire. AugusteBlanqui (talk) 10:57, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There are, sorry, my mistake, were, some/about forty 2-3 star generals in the start..., no need to add lower ranks, imho☆☆☆—PietadèTalk 19:11, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Marsi, Zaheena Rasheed,Federica. "Mariupol school bombed as Russia continues relentless attacks". www.aljazeera.com. Retrieved 2022-03-20.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)

Yakov Rezantsev

At the moment, we have Yakov Rezantsev in the disputed column. We created this column in cases where the Russian side were actively disputing the death. Is that happening with Rezantsev? We don't include any info to say it is happening. Solipsism 101 (talk) 14:29, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am not even sure he is a general. Maybe a lieutenant colonel? AugusteBlanqui (talk) 15:01, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I couldn't find a source saying he was. But a little WP:OR, in this picture [5], he has the lieutenant general insignia with the two pips (see Army ranks and insignia of the Russian Federation). Solipsism 101 (talk) 15:25, 25 March 2022 (UTC) PS: there are RSs out now which give this rank [6]. Solipsism 101 (talk) 15:28, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
He’s a Lieutenant General and commander of the 49th Combined Arms Army. See ru:Резанцев, Яков Владимирович. I don’t think his death is disputed, just not yet confirmed. —Michael Z. 15:49, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Disputed or unconfirmed?

“Unconfirmed” might be a better heading. As far as I know, Russians have not disputed Rezantsev’s demise at this time. —Michael Z. 15:51, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

All but 1 of them are unconfirmed, so it's not a very useful way to describe it. The Russians have only properly disputed Andrey Mordvichev's and Magomed Tushayev's alleged deaths, with the rest going unacknowledged, likely meaning they've died. Most of us on this page seem to have agreed to keep all the names in one list, at least for now. But there are still notes commenting on the disputed deaths, so a different category or list isn't necessary. PixelatedGalaxy (talk) 00:11, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No, we simply do not know. They didn't address the Ukranian claims at all, Mordvichev just appeared in a video like a week later. If these generals are out of view in another year, then yes, we can assume they are dead. But it isn't as if we'd expect every brigade commander to show up in a video during a war operation. Baxbox (talk) 05:47, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, sorry, I meant to put "possibly" not "likely", sorry about that. PixelatedGalaxy (talk) 09:50, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Magomed Tushayev: update possible?

It's been several weeks since he has been allegedly killed. Any news on whether he's dead or alive in the meantime? Bommbass (talk) 09:20, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Probably need to leave Tushayev in disputed for now. However, Dan Sabbagh in The Guardian today reported at 10:33 in its live feed:
Western officials believe the Kremlin has lost eight high-level military officers since the invasion began; seven of whom have been killed. They are:
  • Maj Gen Andrey Mordvich: killed in action
  • Maj Gen Oleg Mityaev: killed in action
  • Lt Gen Yakov Rezanstev: killed in action
  • Maj Gen Vitaliy Gerasimov: killed in action
  • Maj Gen Andrei Sukhovetsky: killed in action
  • Maj Gen Andrey Kolesnikov: killed in action
  • Gen Magomed Tushaev: killed in action
  • Gen Vlaislav Yershov: sacked
AugusteBlanqui (talk) 13:37, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Are there (still) reliable sources that don't consider him dead? If not, we can move him to the normal list. Bommbass (talk) 17:52, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, he can moved to the normal list. That list is based on 'reporting' as it is and does not use the word 'confirmed.' AugusteBlanqui (talk) 18:39, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Mordvichev alive?

There's a new issue today since 'Mordvichev' popped up alive today, and half the sites who report on him used a pic of General Alexey Avdveev. link. Since this is WP Living Person we should get this straightened out asap --BLKFTR (tlk2meh) 21:54, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Should it really be listed as disputed if the sources can't even get the picture correct? Makes it seem like those sites don't know what they're talking about. Have you found any sources that others might deem reliable? Hey man im josh (talk) 22:27, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
He was only ever "dead" according to Ukranian officials, there was never any concrete confirmation. This recent France24 report says it is impossible to verify any of the Ukrainian claims. Baxbox (talk) 06:45, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The Original Facebook post by the Ukrainian General Staff that was cited by news articles has been deleted. There is no longer a WP:RS for his death. I cannot find ANY sources for his death that do not rely on a deleted Facebook post. The Impartial Truth (talk) 16:33, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
the deletion of the post doesn't have any effect until they say it was false Norschweden (talk) 17:57, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It does affect it, there are no sources anymore. None. How can the deletion of the sole source not have any affect unless [Ukraine General Staff] makes a new post? I do not need to explain this is not how things work. Wikipedia:VERIFY. The Impartial Truth (talk) 01:37, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There are plenty of sources that are reporting on the Ukraine General Staff claim. However, they all say that the Ukrainians says this, not that they confirmed this. This is the same for almost everyone on the list. These are claims by an opposing side in an armed conflict. Baxbox (talk) 06:33, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
here's a New York Post (this isn't deprecated is it?) article that notes he still may be alive. This wikipedia list article makes it clear that the list is based on reporting in reliable sources, and the lead notes the difficulties associated with verification. As time progresses the list and sources used for it will no doubt evolve. AugusteBlanqui (talk) 08:06, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Personally I'm with AugusteBlanqui on this one. I'd like to see him re-added to the list until we receive something more to indicate he's alive. Hey man im josh (talk) 11:46, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I've got a source from the Independent saying that he died: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-fifth-russian-general-killed-b2039617.html so can we please add him back onto the list? 72.229.242.36 (talk) 14:51, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The Facebook post is a primary source anyway. The WP:secondary sources that reported on that post and are durably archived are what’s important for the article. If his death is uncertain, then let’s restore a “disputed” or “unconfirmed” section. —Michael Z. 15:18, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It already did say disputed in the infobox before it was removed, so I think it's safe to restore it with the new sources. 72.229.242.36 (talk) 15:20, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, what sources contradict Mordvichev’s death? As far as I can tell, the claims surround a nine-second video outdoors with Kadyrov, plus a one-minute video with Kadyrov and Pushilin. I can’t tell whether either one contains anything that dates it after the reported death. Videos from Kadyrov should not be taken at face value, as, he has released for example, a video of him supposedly in Mariupol, Ukraine, in front of a Rosneft gas station, of which there are none in Ukraine. It seems to come down to competing claims, and we should report it as such. —Michael Z. 15:32, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That seems fair enough, let's just add him back to the list already, as there are plenty of other sources, like the ones already listed about this incident. Also, the claims that Mordichev is dead are also on twitter, which are still around. 72.229.242.36 (talk) 16:13, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, add him back if you can find a source stating he's dead. He can't be put on the list without a source saying he died.
"In a post on social media, the general staff of Ukraine’s army claimed " https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-fifth-russian-general-killed-b2039617.html
That post on social media is gone. The source is gone. Who is currently saying he's dead? I don't know what nine-second video is being mentioned but he shown on Russian media the 28th of March.. Telegram: Contact @azmilitary11 The Impartial Truth (talk) 19:38, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, how about these?
https://theins.ru/news/249409
https://report.az/en/region/ukraine-destroys-12-russian-air-targets-kills-lieutenant-general/
https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-claims-5th-russian-general-killed-attack-kershon-army-base-2022-3 72.229.242.36 (talk) 20:08, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If he is put back, I'd say we put him in the 'disputed' section, along with Magomed Tushayev, as the Chechens have disputed his death too. PixelatedGalaxy (talk) 21:39, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It is still noted that Magomed Tushayev's death is disputed. If you look under the notes for his entry you'll see the first word is "Disputed". It's somewhat disputed, but not directly so in a way that allows them to be removed from the list.
I think the best form of this article does list both of them with the disputed status. Hey man im josh (talk) 21:49, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I get that, perhaps it's what's best In order to limit confusion. PixelatedGalaxy (talk) 00:03, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

List both as disputed. EkoGraf (talk) 18:19, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, which hasn't been done yet for some reason. 72.229.242.36 (talk) 19:31, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There are more videos of him alive and well that came out today. There are no new articles with new information. The facebook post by the Ukraine government declaring him dead is the sole primary source of his "death" that every media article is based on. It has since been deleted. That is the reason it has not been done yet. The Impartial Truth (talk) 02:18, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Correct, and the same issue applies to all other deaths reported by Ukraine only without further verifications. Baxbox (talk) 07:33, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
But it can also be attributed to Russian propaganda, hence why it is disputed 72.229.242.36 (talk) 16:00, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If Ukraine makes a social media post saying Vladimir Putin is dead but he shows up in a video the next day would that be disputed as well? The Impartial Truth (talk) 14:07, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No, but because there is no other evidence that Mordvichev is alive, it can be seen as propaganda, because in all honesty, we can't trust Russian media alone, due to how they tend to lie about this war. 72.229.242.36 (talk) 17:12, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The only evidence he is dead is supposed Ukrainian intel, that's not reliable, only a possible estimate. Baxbox (talk) 07:30, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The problem with the idea that the intel is not reliable is that all of our information comes from Ukraine and Russia. We don't have any other entities that can reliably report deaths as of now unless Russia admits one of their generals is dead (not likely in almost all cases). Hey man im josh (talk) 11:58, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
But as far as we can tell, Ukrainian sources on the whole are more reliable than Russian sources, due to the amount of times they lied about the invasion, such as when they claimed to have gained air superiority when in reality, the skies were still contested. 72.229.242.36 (talk) 13:43, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sources that Wikipedia deems generally reliable continue to report (the claim) that he's dead. It's time to re-add him, with a comment that this is "disputed" by Russia. UlyssorZebra (talk) 17:32, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 March 2022

Could someone swap the wikidata link next to Magomed Tushayev to a link to his article on the simple english project Simple:Magomed Tushayev? I think it's a much more readable alternate project page as it's actually an article rather than a database, and per the RFC on linking to Wikidata links to wikidata items should not be included in article text anyway. 192.76.8.70 (talk) 21:13, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 31 March 2022

Could you please re-add Mordvichev to the list, as per the talk page above 72.229.242.36 (talk) 12:47, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that this should be done. It's reported by reliable sources. In the comments section, we can expand upon the differing claims. Bommbass (talk) 09:23, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Not accepted, per WP:VERIFIABILITY, the primary source errased his claim, the fact that secondary sources(Reliable) cited the first sources does not mean it could be included. Most likely there is evidence Mordvichev is alive, and possibly that's the reason why the primary source retracted. Take into account that this criteria is more strict regarding living persons.Mr.User200 (talk) 23:39, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
But where is this evidence? The only "evidence" was from Russian State TV, and that can't be trusted, since it is most likely propaganda. 72.229.242.36 (talk) 23:48, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah he should be at least mentioned in the article itself though maybe not in the list. Not even mentioning him - even if we state that there was a video etc. - is just weird. Some RS continue to list him as "killed according to Ukrainian authorities" [7]. Volunteer Marek 20:54, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with this. Many RS continue to report (the claim) that he's dead. They wouldn't do this if it was certain that he is still alive. UlyssorZebra (talk) 21:02, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Other notable ranks in ascending order?

Could this article be expanded to include other notable ranks in ascending order?

Other individuals included in this list for example;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_battle_for_the_2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine

Colonel Yuri, Medvedev and Major General, Vitaly Gerasimov etc... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.7.2.78 (talk) 10:42, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I support that. Deaths of army, corps, division, brigade, and unit commanders in the field are all notable. —Michael Z. 23:05, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Casualties and sackings

The loss of generals due to serious wounds or being dismissed from their posts is also significant and notable. Here’s an example. Perhaps this article can be expanded in breadth (to other causes), as well as in depth (to other ranks). Maybe rename List of Russian generals lost during the 2022 invasion of Ukraine.

 —Michael Z. 15:45, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I like the idea, but not the proposed title. The word "lost" doesn't cover "wounded" and "dismissed" very well. UlyssorZebra (talk) 17:38, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Anton Kuprin, commander of the Russian cruiser Moskva, declared MIA. Shou!d this high ranking officier be included ?

Yug (talk) 🐲 12:08, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

He was a 'first rank captain' same as Andrei Paliy. Technically, this list is limited to 'flag officers' and 1st rank captain is one below. However, there's a sentence in the article about other high-ranking casualties and I'll add these two there. AugusteBlanqui (talk) 13:08, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
See this diff and Black Sea Fleet talk. We have a source saying that Kurpin was the commander,[8] which may be a misunderstanding on the writer's part as the commander of a fleet is usually an admiral; we need to confirm this. However, if Kuprin is not the commander, that leaves the possibility an admiral was on board the ship at the time it was destroyed. Solipsism 101 (talk) 17:22, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

General Frolov reported killed in action by "Fontanka"

Deputy Commander of Russian 8th army was buried in Saint Petersburg on April 16th as reported at https://www.fontanka.ru/2022/04/16/71262053/

The local governor told he was killed in action in Ukraine. It will make him an additional major-general to die. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.178.86.66 (talk) 13:22, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Also reported on the St. Petersburg government website, here: https://www.gov.spb.ru/press/governor/235716/ Zacharywil (talk) 14:45, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Categorize items confirmed by Ukraine, Russia, or both

Would it be possible/feasible to make it easier for readers to get the status of items on the table at a glance? Like adding a new column to the table or use some colour-coding (like the table here does) 178.197.216.167 (talk) 18:51, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Magomed Tushayev

There is a new video from Popasna(Donbas frontline), where he is clearly alive. I think his entry can be deleted. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.90.227.205 (talk) 20:47, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We only rely on reliable sources. UlyssorZebra (talk) 21:03, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Lieutenant General Andrei Mordvichev confirmed dead, should be added to list

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60807538

https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-russian-officer-elite-decimated-9-who-were-killed-in-combat-2022-3

  1. ^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKLQ4rFfs_0
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