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Shooter

Anyone have any sources about the shooter? I have multiple ABC and NBC saying the shooter is dead in custody. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rocketman771 (talk • contribs) 20:35, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like that info's been added. Dunutubble (talk) (Contributions) 20:43, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The shooter according to ABC and more recent sources (and live newscasts) released a name, though I am not going to include that as per WP:SUSPECT and we know how thigns evolve, but they are saying the police said he's dead and not in custody. PRAXIDICAE💕 20:52, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, meant per the governor, who I assume is briefed by police. PRAXIDICAE💕 20:53, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Source with the Governor saying the shooter's name Paris1127 (talk) 20:56, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Like all breaking news, we should wait until the initial storm has passed to include a name. PRAXIDICAE💕 21:02, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Not disagreeing, just providing a more local source than Heavy or the NY Post. Paris1127 (talk) 21:06, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 24 May 2022 - Source fix

Source fix Screendeemer (talk) 21:05, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done Insufficient explanation of what you want to fix. Dunutubble (talk) (Contributions) 21:07, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Shooting

According to a Facebook post by the school, it was placed on lockdown around 11:43 a.m CDT in response to gunshots in the neighborhood.[1] Screendeemer (talk) 21:05, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Fonrouge, Gabrielle (2022-05-24). "14 students, teacher dead in Robb Elementary School shooting in Texas". New York Post. Retrieved 2022-05-24.

Should just add that under the events. Aquavison (talk) 21:20, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District

Robb Elementary School is part of the Uvalde Consolidated Independent school district.--🐦DrWho42👻 21:12, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 24 May 2022

Change casualties from 2-14 to just 14. Aquavison (talk) 21:19, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Closing without action: The infobox is already updated to 16 people Happy Editing--IAmChaos 21:23, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Is it relevant at all that initial reports said the shooter was in custody?

I think more sources beyond just ABC are confirming that the shooter is dead to begin with, instead of (alive) in custody. But is it relevant to mention that initially, several sources reported that he was in custody? Koopatrev (talk; contrib) 21:44, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There is a lot of misinformation swirling around about this event, and like with the recent Casey/Vicky White breaking news it seems like there are a few storylines and we'll find out the "real deal" in a few days as details come together - that being said, I think it's very important to include something about what "initial reports" said. NERUALSI (talk) 21:47, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I find it relevant to note. Dunutubble (talk) (Contributions) 22:08, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I would say that it is relevant to include what was initially reported, if possible. (Some articles have likely already been updated without being archived.) --Super Goku V (talk) 22:14, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This is just confusion by sources covering a very fluid and evolving situation. There is no lasting relevance to some news getting this wrong in the first hour or so and then this getting copy pasted by other sources who just report what others say. If you look at this a year from now, it won't be in the article that some sources got something wrong in the first hour. --StellarNerd (talk) 22:17, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"If you look at this a year from now" is kinda what we are discussing. If there is enough of an agreement that it is relevant to include the initial reports, then it will be included in the short-term and likely will remain in the article a year from now. At the moment, I believe it is more relevant to include than to not include. --Super Goku V (talk) 23:05, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Actual # of deceased victims

I believe that governor Greg Abbott misspoke / is unclear on how many deceased there are from this incident. Why are many news outlets reporting two dead, but Greg's address has caused multiple outlets to say that 14 people were killed? My understanding is that is the total # of people who were somehow physically affected by the event (injured or deceased). I think the 14 dead is inaccurate and is incorrectly shaping the narrative around this event.

Obviously this is a totally senseless crime and the tragedy is of the same magnitude whether there was one victim or one hundred, but I fear that this is going to turn into the Sago Mine incident where the rescue crew/law enforcement said that they had located the miners and the mews media en masse misinterpreted this to mean that the miners were all located alive, when in reality all but one were deceased. NERUALSI (talk) 21:45, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RS is reporting 15 dead. I hope Abbott just mispoke, but we follow what RS is saying. This is a developing event, things can change Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 22:00, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It is possible that Abbott misspoke, but it isn't clear that he did. Currently, I can released articles in the last 20 minutes that are quoting Abbott for the number of deceased. Unless there is proof that Abbott misspoke, we can only report what the sources say. --Super Goku V (talk) 22:02, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
He could have misspoken, and I hope he did. But the majority of sources at the moment are saying that 16 died (including the shooter). He is quoted for a lot of these, but it seems like in this case RS consider his words to be reliable. Dunutubble (talk) (Contributions) 22:07, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Because this is a very recent event, it is best to wait. Governor Abbott could have misspoken, but as of now, it's uncertain Brookline Fire buff (talk) 22:05, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This just happened. He might have not had the full information. There is no real lasting relevance to these immediate statements. --StellarNerd (talk) 22:18, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
On second look, Abbot was correct. Some early sources were reporting Uvalde Memorial Hospital's very initial statement of 15 injuries taken to their emergency room. These 15 were all declared dead, either DOA or in very critical condition on arrival. --StellarNerd (talk) 22:26, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Injured Officers

CNN is reporting that 2 police officers sustained injuries. Where should this be listed? Brookline Fire buff (talk) 22:16, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In the article, no? Also in the information box. --StellarNerd (talk) 22:28, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I would recommend adding a sentence to the victim section for now. I believe that the infobox does not list the number injured at the moment because it is unclear, but it would also go there. --Super Goku V (talk) 22:50, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Shooter's infobox

I'm coming from Turkish Wikipedia. First of all, my condolences to those living in the United States. Should we use infobox under attacker's infobox? We follow all the current developments here and organize them simultaneously on the Turkish Wikipedia. --Jelican9 (talk) 22:20, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've never liked the practice of having multiple infobox's within an article. However, it can be discussed at a late time. At this point, there isn't enough info about the perpetrator to hardly have an infobox or even quick biographical sum. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 22:22, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your responding. Jelican9 (talk) 22:50, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks to the editors

Hey everyone, I just wanted to give some appreciation to everyone working to give this article the attention to detail and respect it deserves. These types of events are very difficult for families and friends of the victims, and what you do here may or may not matter to them, but you all are doing your best. Thanks. DN (talk) 22:48, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

👍 Like ---Another Believer (Talk) 23:01, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The silver lining to every mass shooting is that the aftermath brings people together who mourn those who died and advocate for change. X-Editor (talk) 00:47, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Robb Elementary School

while it might turn back into a redirect, Dunutubble started an article on the elementary school.--🐦DrWho42👻 23:06, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've contested this, and have reverted it back to a redirect. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 23:11, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong details

Wrong amount of deaths, and information is not true. The grandmother is still alive thankfully. 14 students were killed, and one teacher along with the suspect. Information is still developing but dozens have been taken to the hospital. Info is not true. 68.112.88.209 (talk) 23:39, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Provide a reliable source to support this. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:42, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/texas-elementary-school-shooting-05-24-22/index.html says "State Sen. Roland Gutierrez told CNN the grandmother was airlifted to San Antonio and “is still holding on,” according to information he was given by the Texas Rangers.". This was posted 39 minutes ago. — Vincent Lefèvre (talk) 00:05, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Why is race mentioned?

I do not think the inclusion of the demographics of Uvalde or the elementary school in the introduction section are relevant. The shooter was also hispanic, and there does not seem to have been any racial motivation so I am not sure how they add anything to the article. History Man1812 (talk) 00:25, 25 May 2022 (UTC)History_Man1812[reply]

We all always include the race when there is a shooter Thepanthersfan201 (talk) 00:46, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Latino, not Hispanic. He was not from Spain nor was his immediate family. Please be sensitive to the feelings of the Spaniards. Thanks. 50.111.25.199 (talk) 00:49, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Weapons used

The main info panel includes the unsubstantiated claim that a semi automatic rifle was used in the attack. This article includes the following passage in the "Shooting" section: "Governor Greg Abbott said that the shooter had been carrying a handgun and might have brought a rifle along with him". Here is the reference: https://www.voanews.com/a/texas-elementary-school-shooting-/6587686.html

No major news outlet has claimed anything that contradicts Abbot's statement. Abbot's statement doesn't even mention the rifle being semi-automatic, that is pure speculation on the part of whoever made the post, so even if we believe it to be true the section should read "rifle", not "semiautomatic rifle". It is only confirmed that the suspect had a handgun. If nothing else, the weapons used section should be edited to also have "handgun" listed. The section is objectively wrong as written. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jhyde1990 (talk • contribs) 00:35, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Death count

Why does the start of the article list 19 deaths but the infobox 21? --Trade (talk) 00:46, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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