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Your GA nomination of Elizabeth Siddal

The article Elizabeth Siddal you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Elizabeth Siddal for comments about the article, and Talk:Elizabeth Siddal/GA1 for the nomination. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Mike Christie -- Mike Christie (talk) 19:43, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pre-Raphaelite Brotherhood

You know, per WP:CITEVAR, you are supposed to ask on talk before changing the citation style? Johnbod (talk) 01:33, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, cool, I am happy to talk about citations, & an well familiar with WP:CITVAR, which opens with Editors should not attempt to change an article's established citation style merely on the grounds of personal preference, to make it match other articles, or without first seeking consensus for the change.
  • The Pre-Raphaelite Brotherhood uses a mixed style of citations; I was not attempting to impose a standard on the article, such as turning all citations into templates. If I were doing that, I would certainly put a notice on the article. I saw a handful of improvements that I could make, so I did that boldly just as anywhere I could see making a tweak or two would improve something.
  • Under the Generally considered helpful section:
  • improving existing citations by adding missing information, such as by replacing bare URLs with full bibliographic citations: an improvement because it aids verifiability, and fights link rot;
  • My edit here improved the citation by adding archive parameters for a dead URL, an editor link, & information pertinent to the web page while discarding non-standard extraneous information about the website that had not much to do with the linked web page.
  • My edit here added a DOI, an ISBN, an OCLC #, the editor's name, & the title of the encyclopedia, whereas the previous citation was <ref>Treuherz, J. (2003). "Pre-Raphaelitism". Grove Art Online.</ref>
  • [...] an improvement because it provides more verifiable information to the reader, and helps maintain text–source integrity
  • The edit that replaced the "Dorra 1994" citation with <ref>Hilton, 46</ref>, which is an unlinked shortened footnote My edit here put the full citation into {{cite book}} format, which automatically generates a |ref= parameter. I also added publisher, OCLC#, and a url parameters to make it a "full bibliographic citation". I then converted the unlinked shortened footnote into one that was linked. I believe that this certainly "provides more verifiable information to the reader" by allowing a user to click on the shortened footnote link to get to the full citation.
  • combining duplicate citations
  • After I created the "Hilton 1971" {{cite book}} citation, I saw that there were other footnotes for Hilton. It no longer made sense to have these duplicate citations. With my edit here, I deduped the full citations within the existing named ref tags by using the {{harvnb|Hilton|1971}} construct.
  • There was an awkward unlinked shortened footnote, <ref>Dearden (1999), p. 43.</ref>, that referenced another footnote. This is not in line with Help:Shortened footnotes; a shortened footnote should always point to a full citation, usually in a references list such as the Pre-Raphaelite Brotherhood#Sources section). In this case, my edit here moved the full citation into the sources section then converted the p. 43 into a linked shortened footnote & to dedupe the pp. 36–37 the same way.
That covers all citation improvements that I have made to the Pre-Raphaelite Brotherhood article.
You mentioned that one is supposed to ask on the talk page before changing the citation style. I certainly do that when I am imposing a citation style on an article or making substantial citation changes. Here are some {{diff}}s where I have done that:
That is about that for now. I did want to ask, since you mentioned you were in the UK, are you going, or have you been, to the Rossetti exhibition at the Tate Gallery? Across the pond here, in the state that I grew up in, the Delaware Art Museum has a substantial Pre-Raphaelite collection.
I see on your user page that you are a member of WikiProject Visual Arts. Perhaps we can work on improving the class of an article for that someday. I hope to eventually work on ceramic art as my younger son teaches ceramics at an art museum in Hawaii. Peaceray (talk) 05:47, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Women in Red - June 2023

Women in Red June 2023, Vol 9, Iss 6, Nos 251, 252, 271, 272, 273


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Feedback request: History Good Article nomination

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Empress Mathilda

You seem to be a bit confused: "Travelled" is British, "traveled" American! Johnbod (talk) 03:25, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Johnbod: You are correct. I got it backwards. Thank you for correcting my mistake. Peaceray (talk)
No problem - I think you commented on the editor's talk page about it - a retraction might be good. Johnbod (talk) 01:13, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I undid that yesterday & included an apology in the edit summary with this edit. Peaceray (talk) 03:40, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Feedback request: Social sciences and society Good Article nomination

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LGBT films from SIFF 2023 edit-a-thon


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June 21: WikiWednesday Salon back in Manhattan!

June 21: WikiWednesday @ Prime Produce
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A barnstar for you!

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Thanks for organizing and otherwise supporting so many Wikipedia activities over the years! Your contributions to the project are much appreciated. --Another Believer (Talk) 01:37, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

need help

hello peaceray i want to know that can i create an article on the topic of crime which was happened recently in tamil nadu, India.They cheated the people with the name of beldex investment company.can you please tell me that, is it can be an article or not MICHAEL 942006 (talk) 10:48, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@MICHAEL 942006: You can find the criteria for whether or not one can create an article at Wikipedia:Notability, specifically the general notability guideline. Creating an article also requires verification from reliable sources. An article must also be neutral & editors must refrain from original research.
Since you refer to a topic of crime, the Wikipedia:Notability (events) guideline would apply.
Please see the coverage section as this describes the required depth, duration, & diversity of coverage. Peaceray (talk) 14:33, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]


Reverted Edit

On 2001: A Space Odyssey (film), you reverted an edit without really understanding my intent, I believe. I didn't 'speculate' that the monolith moved, what I meant to indicate is that we do not *know* if the monolith moved. We have absolutely no context, proof, discussion, validation that it is or is not the same monolith from that start of the movie. It could be a second monolith, it could be the first, moved. Thus without knowing if it is a second, or the first moved, stating that the monolith out at Jupiter is a *third* monolith is 'leading the reader'. The true speculation is "this is a third monolith".

I do not like to see "ideas" put into people's heads as fact, and in any summary, the reader will not have the same nuance we have after watching the film. To the reader of any such summary, something stated as 'third', will be taken as something with some context or validation behind it.

So I ask you, do we *know*, 100% know that it is not the monolith from Earth, 4M years ago? Do we 100% know that it is? In as we don't know, we should not start counting, start speculating that there is a second one. And as it is trivial to NOT say 'third', why would we lead the reader to a conclusion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.83.170.121 (talk) 08:53, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You are engaged in original research & have provided no verification from a reliable source for your speculation. I suggest that you read these policies to understand why editors are reverting your edits. Peaceray (talk) 14:27, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Women in Red July 2023

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Help

Hello, I am not familiar with the English Wikipedia so I hoped you could help me with something. An article I wrote was deleted recently because "there were not enough independent sources". It was called "Stips (Israeli website)". I agree that there weren't enough sources but I believe deleting the whole article is an exaggeration. I thought to make the article a draft again and not to publish it until I find more sources. Is it possible? I worked on it really hard and I fear it will be deleted completely. Thanks! אוהד בר-און (talk) 13:52, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@אוהד בר-און: I saw from https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Stips_(Israeli_website)&action=edit&redlink=1 that the page had been subject of a couple of moves between the main namespace to the Draft namespace. I think that you could ask an administrator to restore it to the Draft namespace. Since there was a decision to delete at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stips (Israeli website), I would not move it yourself after recreation to the main namespace but keep it as a Draft. Start by adding the {{Draft article}} template at the top. Click on
 Finished drafting? Submit for review! 
when feel it is ready to move to the main namespace. Then you will get feedback if the reviewing editor feels it is not ready. This may be an iterative process, but at least when it does get to the main namespace it will have been vetted & any problems regarding notablility & sourcing should be resolved. Peaceray (talk) 14:25, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Link to Italian Florio's page

Dear Peaceray, The page on Wikipedia Italian "Influenza di Giovanni Florio sulle opere shakespeariane" doesn't cover the topic dealt on the page "Florian theory of Shakespeare authorship" in English. The page doesn't cover the theory of Florio as someone who wrote Shakespeare' works, but the influence of John Florio on Shakespeare's works. They are two different topics and two different pages should be created!2001:B07:A99:CEEA:A982:655F:7A0B:2A7F (talk) 22:16, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Please see wikidata:Q120097019 & wikidata:Q112072866 Would you consider registering & then translating Influence of John Florio on the works of Shakespeare [it]? Peaceray (talk) 22:32, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

need help

hello peaceray i want to know that how can I put afd in article MICHAEL 942006 (talk) 16:18, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@MICHAEL 942006: You can find guidance at WP:Guide to deletion, WP:Articles for deletion, & WP:Deletion policy. You can follow the instructions on how to nominate a single page for deletion at WP:AFDHOWTO. Peaceray (talk) 18:33, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Feedback request: History Good Article nomination

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Feedback request: crimes of James Cook on the Big Island

Hello Peaceray, James Cook's crimes per this here site are well documented. Are those sources adequate? why is it "neutral" to omit from the text that he had a part in getting killed? He stole people, goods, grave markers, a local politician, and then he was executed. Please elaborate on how "he was killed in the islands" adequately encapsulates the circumstances, neutrally. Please compare and contrast with Jimmy Hoffa, Alexander Litvinenko, Mussolini if you have the integrity to actually address this concern. PS this is advocatejake but with credentials problems which is why I end with regards, advocatejake 66.8.139.14 (talk) 05:55, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

To use a contentious label like "crimes committed" without someone having been convicted or adjudged is hardly neutral, & such a statement would not be applied to Hoffa. Putting such comments into an article without attribution is original research at best, even if someone feels strongly that Cook was criminally stupid in his command.
I am aware of Cook's death. He was killed out of revenge in the heat of battle when he was unable to excape, & it was hardly an organized persecution.
If you have a reliable source that has language like "criminal acts", "atrocities", or the like, then you can directly quote that source as long as you attribute it via a citation. Peaceray (talk) 21:14, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Feedback on my edit of "Science Fiction" and your responding note of 16:45, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Peaceray. Thanks for your note. Sorry to have violated any principles of the 'Pedia. Big problem is, the points I made, about the fluidity of classifications in SF (and, I suppose, most kinds of human knowledge), would be hard to endorse with citations, being based on some 60 years of living in the SF community and several decades of writing the occasional SF story or novel: mostly pub conversations and fanzine chatter. But I take your point. I like the Big W a lot and have even dribbled a few pence its way as a tip (AFAIK from the note apparently once stuck on prominently displayed jars in those old cafes you talk about elsewhere -- "To Insure Promptness"). Thrive, AMS. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C6:F4C4:5101:211:24FF:FE8B:FFEC (talk) 06:10, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

July 19 WikiWednesday + New York Botanical Garden Edit-a-thon (July 29)

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DYK nomination of Estibaliz Urresola Solaguren

Hello! Your submission of Estibaliz Urresola Solaguren at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there at your earliest convenience. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Pbritti (talk) 22:37, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Egghead & Twinkie

On 15 July 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Egghead & Twinkie, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Egghead & Twinkie claims to be the first feature film crowdsourced on TikTok? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Egghead & Twinkie. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Egghead & Twinkie), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

RoySmith (talk) 12:03, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I made an erroneous edit

i saw you left me a message, so I thought I'd answer here. Daddy wanky (talk) 03:32, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Women in Red 8th Anniversary

Women in Red 8th Anniversary
In July 2015 around 15.5% of the English Wikipedia's biographies were about women. As of July 2023, 19.61% of the English Wikipedia's biographies are about women. That's a lot of biographies created in the effort to close the gender gap. Happy 8th Anniversary! Join us for some virtual cake and add comments or memories and please keep on editing to close the gap!

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Seattle Wiknic 2023
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Subscriptions overflowing

User talk:Peaceray/Subscriptions has grown so large that it's exceeded the maximum possible size of a Wikipedia page and no more messages can be posted. You should probably clean it out. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:42, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, yes, that would cause a problem. I started cleaning it out. I will determine if there is an automated way of deleting them rather than the automated archiving that I am used to. Peaceray (talk) 05:59, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Castle Bravo

For what it’s worth, Castle Bravo explosion with timestamps. When I saw that edit by the IP changing the title with no cite, I also reacted poorly. But it looks like he was correct - the movie in the article is moving way too fast. Tarl N. (discuss) 05:39, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Precious anniversary

Precious
Five years!

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DYK for Sofía Otero

On 24 July 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Sofía Otero, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the portrayal of a transgender child by Sofía Otero (pictured) made her the youngest actor to win the Silver Bear for Best Leading Performance? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Sofía Otero. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Sofía Otero), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Hook update
Your hook reached 32,185 views (1,341.0 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of July 2023 – nice work!
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Tisha B'Av

The article had a red error message inside inline citation 24. I removed this but you added it back. I don't know why you would want to introduce a red error message into an article. Please explain. 156.61.250.251 (talk) 14:34, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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