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This is pretty simple. I am not sure why there is an edit war going on. Her nickname was “The Voice”. This was established many years ago before the television show of the same name. By removing “The” from it, you have changed her nickname to something that does not exist (“Voice”). This is not correct by all accounts and references. It needs to remain as “The Voice”. ThatFungi (talk) 17:20, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
MOS:NICKNAMETHE specifies lower case for nicknames in running prose: the Voice versus The Voice. Is that the issue? Because all I'm seeing is a needless edit war over a piped link. Binksternet (talk) 17:30, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I changed "The Voice" to "the Voice". This is correct per the MOS:NICKNAMETHE policy, as I already explained when ThatFungi complained on my talk page.
I don't understand this argument about "changing her nickname to something that does not exist". In fact I don't understand the debate here at all... Popcornfud (talk) 18:08, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Popcornfud I posted here because you are involved in what is about to become an edit war. It has never been changed in a long time. So this is to have the discussion for you and @FMSky to have before you hit 3RR. ThatFungi (talk) 00:01, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What are you talking about? Edit war over what? What is the issue you want to resolve? Popcornfud (talk) 00:04, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Popcornfud you both made 2 changes a piece to the same part arguing about “the” vs “The”. It was recommended by another user when they reverted it for the two of you to take it to a discussion. That’s what this is about. ThatFungi (talk) 00:15, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I also want to point out that possibly the person who put those in determined it to be used as a pseudonym. Those types can have (in American English) “The” starting the nickname. ThatFungi (talk) 00:08, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think you are possibly confused.
FMSky reverted a change that has nothing to do with "the" vs "The".
The current article uses a lowercase "the" in accordance with MOS:NICKNAMETHE. FMSky did not alter that in their revert. Popcornfud (talk) 01:26, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ok I can accept that. However still looking at it from a pseudonym perspective the being capitalized is acceptable. If you look at the article for the nicknames a lot of them use a capital The. ThatFungi (talk) 01:35, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
We have a policy that says we shouldn't do that for nicknames, so those nicknames shouldn't use a capital "The", either.
We have no policy that makes an exception for pseudonyms. It sounds like you just don't like the MOS:THECAPS policy generally. Popcornfud (talk) 01:39, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I never said that. I’m looking at both sides of what it can be. It is also not a policy. It is a guideline which also states that exceptions can be made.
It is a generally accepted standard that editors should attempt to follow, though it is best treated with common sense, and occasional exceptionsmay apply. Any substantive edit to this page should reflect consensus. When in doubt, discuss first on the talk page.ThatFungi (talk) 01:43, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No you didn't change "The Voice" to "the Voice". You changed the nickname to a completely meaningless ' the "Voice" ' Phạm Huy Thông (talk) 15:55, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That's grammatically correct. The definite article ("the") is not part of the proper noun, any more than it is with "the White House". Popcornfud (talk) 16:37, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
But does it has a meaning for a popular music nickname? Phạm Huy Thông (talk) 19:03, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The nickname is two words: "the Voice". Binksternet (talk) 21:08, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I understand what you're saying. But it's not as simple as you think.
Allow me to use another, infamous example. The band name the Beatlesuses the definite article ("the") but "the" is not part of the proper noun itself — just as "the" is not part of the proper noun White House in the sentence "Yesterday I visited the White House".
This is also why "the" in "the Beatles" shouldn't be capitalized — and why, if you were going to put it in quotes for some reason, you should write the "Beatles", not "the Beatles".
All of this also applies to the Voice, which should be the "Voice". That's assuming, of course, that a nickname needs to be written in quotation marks at all. Does it?
However, this is all academic and I don't really care just so long as we don't write "The Voice", which Pham reverted back to in opposition to MOS:NICKNAMETHE. Popcornfud (talk) 21:41, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The Beatles example doesn't work so well here because it's a band name rather than a nickname. Formulations such as "ex-Beatle Ringo" or "Beatles-style haircut" show the fluidity of the band name. No such fluidity is present in the nickname. Binksternet (talk) 22:17, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't matter. The point of my Beatles example is that there is no special exception for band names. The logic that applies to the Beatles is the same logic that applies to the names of buildings (like the White House), restaurants (like the Fat Duck), institutions (like the BBC), and anything else. So why should nicknames that use the definite article be different?
If Houston had instead been known entirely as the Voice, and people started getting haircuts like her, then they would be called Voice-style haircuts, same as the Beatles etc. Popcornfud (talk) 22:44, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Whitney's nickname has two words that is The Voice. Nobody will call her "Voice". So that doesn't make any sense 103.253.90.69 (talk) 01:59, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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In 2014, ABC named Whitney Houston the greatest woman in music. Houston is also the most awarded female artist of all time, according to the Guinness World Book of Records.
Article is clear that John Russell Houston Jr. is her father. I'm new here, so I wanted to ask why he isn't shown under Quick Facts, rather than just editing that section.
Thank you. Rjshurie (talk) 02:12, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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“It has since went on to sell” is grammatically incorrect, it should read “It has since GONE on to sell” 173.63.181.58 (talk) 01:38, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. - FlightTime (open channel) 18:44, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
