Module talk:Political party

Edit request 23 April 2023 Red Green Alliance - Request for a color change to Orange

Description of suggested change:

Over some time now, I've been reverting edits, and had edits reversed as a conflict has occured in relation to color codes for Danish Politics. So after arguing with other wikipedia editors, I have now acknowledged that there needs to be a solution. I will therefore apologize for my behavior, and I will admit that it has not been ideal. However, I hope you will consider my case, and I will now present the reasons I believe for why a color change is necessary for Red Green Alliance .

Here in Denmark, our main brodcasters are DR and TV2. They use some specific political colors assigned to the different parties we have at the moment. Both of them uses the color orange to represent the party, as seen here (Ø represent the party) . Apart from that on the official site of the parliament, orange is also the color used to represent Red Green Alliance (EL represents the party)

Here is two pictures to demonstrate why I believe that orange would be an improved color for the party.

(current)

(my proposal)

Another argument is that the color code used Danish People's Party is yellow. This is despite the fact yellow doesn't appear on their own website.

I really hope you will consider this, as I believe it would become easier to see the difference between Green Left and Red Green Alliance

To whoever reading this, have a nice day :)

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Thomediter (talk) 20:32, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Party colours should match what the party's logos etc are. The proposed change doesn't match. IMO the two colours are different enough to be visible (  ). Number 57 21:26, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

But Danish People's Party doesn't do that. Thomediter (talk) 21:30, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

So propose a change there. Number 57 21:33, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

No, because the point I want to make is that the top priority should be to make each party stand out from the others. Danish People's Party's other colors are red and blue, but we already have multiple parties with those colors. Therefore yellow is used on wikipedia, just like our brodcasters use yellow. It is the same for Die Linke, who has a red logo, but we use purple on wikipedia to seperate them from the SPD. I think the same should account here, so that Red-Green Alliance is easy to seperate from Green Left. Orange is the color used by the brodcasters. So as we have applied this logic for Danish People's Party and Die Linke, I think we should apply the same logic for Red-Green Alliance. Thomediter (talk) 21:39, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

But they already have colours that are visibly different (as shown above), so your suggestion is needless. I could equally argue that your proposal makes their colour too similar to the Social Democrats. Number 57 22:13, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Well the diagram should match the colors. Also you are trying to argue that these look alike?   , when one is red and the other is orange. Thomediter (talk) 22:22, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

It would if the parliament diagram module wasn't broken at the moment (or you could just update the svg version on commons). And yes, I personally can see much less difference between those colours than the two compared above. Number 57 22:25, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

If that is the case, then we should consider updating that color code too. Another thing is that Green Left and Red-Green Alliance are both closer to each other on parliament diagrams, and therefore not being able to see the difference between those two parties are a bigger issue. Thomediter (talk) 22:29, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Apart from that, on the parliament diagrams it is not easy to see the difference. I would like some other's inputs, even if it's also disagreement, cause if I'm in the wrong here, then so be it. But then I'd like an explanation for why we use a different logic for Danish People's Party and Die Linke. Thomediter (talk) 21:34, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

It appears the parliament diagram does not use the parties' logo colours, which I used above. This is where the problem lies. Number 57 22:15, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

I still think that having 3 colors that are red is way too much, when we have unused colors like orange. There is a reason our brodcasters use orange, and I think it will be confusing to see a different color when look at Danish sources, compared to looking on wikipedia. Thomediter (talk) 22:38, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

References

Still yet to be solved

- 25 April 2023 Thomediter (talk) 21:55, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

It's only been two days. WP:3O is always an option if no one is responding. Primefac (talk) 07:51, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi again :) I've now recieved agreement on this edit request from a third and fourth opinion. Apart from this, on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Elections and Referendums#RfC about party colours, another opinion argues that per WP:RS, supports the logic behind my edit request.

@Primefac Can this edit request be performed now? Thomediter (talk) 15:04, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, there seems to be a consensus, so you can implement your proposed changes. Primefac (talk) 10:00, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for looking at it :) Thomediter (talk) 10:01, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Dispute - Asking for a third opinion.

The color code being used for Red-Green Alliance is being discussed. The current color code being used is  . This color is being used due to the image of their logo on the Red-Green Alliance.

The discussion revolves around whether this should be maintained as the color.

The arguments for keeping the current color code   is

• We should use the color of the party's logo on wikipedia
• The colors of Red-Green Alliance  , Social Democrats   and Green Left   on here are not confusing

While the arguments for changing the current color code to  

• The media (DR, TV2, parliament site) in Denmark uses Orange for the party, and there is a personal analysis that the reason the media uses Orange is to make it stand out from other parties
• Other parties such as Danish People's Party and Liberal Alliance uses their media color instead of their logo color on Wikipedia
• Having red colors for 3 Danish parties, when there are not a very high number of Danish parties, are too many

Thomediter (talk) 21:36, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

I don't understand why you are still pushing this. You got a third opinion in the other discussion (which you then tried to hide), which was to stick with the logo colour as is standard practice. Why try and create inconsistency... Number 57 22:15, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Because it matters a lot to me. I like spending my times on making Danish election pages, but I become so frustrated when the colors are too similar and doesn't make sense. Why have incosistency with some parties having their colors based on media and other parties based on logos. Thomediter (talk) 22:20, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Response to third opinion request (Disagreement on color code being used for Red-Green Alliance):

I am responding to a third opinion request for this page. I have made no previous edits on Module:Political party and have no known association with the editors involved in this discussion. The third opinion process is informal and I have no special powers or authority apart from being a fresh pair of eyes.

It appears that reliable sources use orange for the Red-Green Alliance, so we should follow the reliable sources. "What about X" isn't a particularly compelling argument; perhaps the practice for Die Linke and Danish People's Party should be changed too. This issue might require a broader discussion (and potentially an RfC) to establish consensus. voorts (talk/contributions) 00:09, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Number 57 22:15, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

A third opinion given here argues that orange should be used as reliable sources uses Orange. I am asking for your permission to change the color code based on this. I'll give you some time to agree on it, if you won't allow it, we should find an agreement on how to further proceed the case.

Best regards, Thomediter (talk) 00:22, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

I don't agree to it. I presume the provider of the third opinion isn't familiar with how party colours are usually decided on Wikipedia (similar to the issue you created on the Green Left one, where an editor who is familiar gave a third opinion, you ignored it and got another one that was different). If you want to get informed views on how to decide party colours, advertise this discussion at WT:E&R. Number 57 08:05, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

I did not ignore it, it’s shocking that you can make yourself create a a wrong telling of events just to fit your preferred point of view. All I simply did was to point out that the third opinion did not include argumentation, which is required, and asked for a new one until the other one had argumentation. We had a new one which agreed with me, and now we have a 2-2 in that case.

Here because you disagree, your are saying that the editor isn’t qualified to give their opinion? I could just argue the same about editors who disagree with me.

Either I’m changing the color now, or we agree to start a bigger disscussion, to solve this issue.

Before when the third opinion agreed with you, you were ready to close the discussion, but now that the third opinion disagree with you, you consider it invalid. That’s not how it works. Thomediter (talk) 08:58, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

It's shocking that you would seek another opinion rather than wait for the third opinion provider to explain their rationale. It was clearly an attempt to try and bypass an opinion you sought but then disagreed with. Your conduct throughout this dispute has been appalling, even sinking so low as to add revenge !votes to AfDs I started. As for my view on the third opinion above, we have an established way of deciding party colours, and this clearly goes against it. I would like informed opinion rather than drive by ones. Number 57 09:20, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

THE Fourth opinion also agrees with me about the color change. Looking at the different parties we have on wikipedia, we can't conclude that party colors are chosen based on their logos, when at least all these parties (Die Linke - Liberal Alliance - Danish People's Party - DUP - Socialist Left Party - Christian Democratic Party - Swedish People's Party of Finland - Fine Gael - Lega - Forza Italia) doesn't have their party colors based on their logo, but on the media colors instead. I'm eager to change the color codes, but will wait for your permission of course. If not I'd like your help start a new broad discussion about this case. Thirdly, I can also wait of changing the Green Left color until we get more opinions there, but the arguments on this page agrees to change Red-Green Alliance to orange.

About the third opinion case on the other site. I agreed to consider it done as I read the third opinion, but later learned that argumentation was a requirement, and we didn't know if arguemntation would ever come, and so I listed it on the third opinion again until either argumentation or a new third opinion came.

Where should the eventual discussion take place? Thomediter (talk) 09:24, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

You could have waited a few hours, but were clearly desperate to get an opinion you agreed with. As I said above, the best place for a discussion is WT:E&R. Number 57 09:35, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Ok, I will add a talk page. It's true I was desperate to get an argumented third opinion, because the case means a lot to me, I didn't ask for an opinion I agreed with, I asked for argumentation as to why editors would believe I was wrong Thomediter (talk) 09:38, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Fourth opinion: much as I hate to disagree with N57,a much respected admin, it seems fairly clear here that insofar as any standardised colours exist for these two parties, it is indeed orange for the Green Red alliance and pink for the Green Left, usage we see across several different reliable sources. Picking the colour based on selecting part of the logo with no other evidence seems less robust and more like original research. I'd suggest we go ahead with the change. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 09:07, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

I would strongly suggest we don't, and instead we have a proper discussion with editors who are familiar with how party colours are usually decided on Wikipedia. Number 57 09:20, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Aside from the WP:OWNership issues implied by the assertion that we have to wait for unspecified people "familiar with" the topic in question, it's not like those people's opinions would carry much weight anyway, if they don't conform to WP:V. If the only rationale for the dark red is that it's plucked by Wikipedians from a logo, versus numerous reliable sources using the orange, then there's not really anything those experts can say to alter the situation. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 09:44, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

I agree with your saying here :)

Also an important factor is that currently when taking the color code from the logo on their website, it doesn't match with dark red, as it has been updated since. Logo's change relatively often, so to have their colors based on logos, would mean we'd might have to change color codes too often. On their website they even have a white logo as well, but we don't use white for the party. Thomediter (talk) 09:59, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Agree with this. I've seen no evidence of a consensus on color-picking, other than thr allegation that this is standard practice, but silence is the weakest form of consensus and that alleged consensus is being challenged now. If this is a broader issue, and disputes like this arrive often, I think an RfC at WT:E&R might be appropriate. voorts (talk/contributions) 17:02, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

United Right (Poland) color

["United Right (Poland)"] = {abbrev = "ZP", color = "#263778", shortname = "United Right",},

Currently ZP uses PiS color but since the alliance is used in 2019 election templates (and will probably be used in 2023) it would be a great convenience to have it. CrimsonCube (talk) 14:52, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done Already in Module:Political party/U. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:52, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Liverpool Community Independents

Liverpool Community Independents (abbrev: LCI) (actually a registered party, not just an independent group) uses colour   #9f0000 Nattatatat (talk) 11:53, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

 Already done They've been added to the template, though with the slightly different   by dummelaksen. Elli (talk | contribs) 06:47, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 May 2023

change the Unity Party of America color to #733795 Vaulttec2022 (talk) 00:02, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. -Lemonaka‎ 08:43, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Labor–Farm Party of Wisconsin

Can we get this row set with the color value #17aa5c to match the Wisconsin Green Party, a pseudo-successor party. That makes most sense to me. -- Asdasdasdff (talk) 18:56, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Also would like to see the shortname listed as "Labor–Farm". Thanks! -- Asdasdasdff (talk) 18:58, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

If you think it's uncontroversial, go for it. Primefac (talk) 19:12, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Ok will do, wasn't sure if this required some kind of approval process. -- Asdasdasdff (talk) 19:20, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Kuomintang has a abbrev KMT

Kuomintang has a general abbreviation KMT. That abbreviation is well known.

Democratic Progressive Party is already there with DPP abbrev. So KMT should be too.

—- Running 19:37, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

You are welcome to add it in. Primefac (talk) 08:44, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Greek Solution

93C4EB, please change the color, that is the colour by its logo Greek Rebel (talk) 17:00, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

The color of the blue part of Greek Solution's logo is slightly variable, but the colors of the interface website on the party's website are different.

• Current:   #5493CE
• Proposed:   #93C4EB
• Website:   #3576CC

As such, I have chosen #3576CC as the new color. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 23:01, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

May I get a Sanseitō color?

Same color (Orange) as the one from Sanseito's Wikipedia Japan Article, thanks! https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%8F%82%E6%94%BF%E5%85%9A#%E5%85%9A%E6%AD%8C U2You Too (talk) 13:09, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

 Done I've updated the color from   to  . Elli (talk | contribs) 06:53, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Asar (political party)

["Asar (political party)"] = {abbrev = "", color = "#FF0000", shortname = "Asar",}, ShadZ01 (talk) 00:34, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

 Already done by N Panama 84534 in Special:Diff/1168195283 Elli (talk | contribs) 07:01, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Edit request 1 August 2023

Description of suggested change: Could Module:Political party/D be restored to revision 1167046416 made on 10:06, 25 July 2023 and could Module:Political party/R also be restored to revision 1165601200 made on 06:30, 16 July 2023? The revisions following this by a guy named named Mikeblas as casued pages with the alternative parties of the Democratic and Republican parties (United States) to show no color in infoboxes and tables. 199.168.200.8 (talk) 02:26, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Could you give an example of where this is causing issues? I can't see anything obviously wrong with his changes that would cause them not to show up. Cheers, Number 57 05:18, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy ping to Mikeblas. Primefac (talk) 07:50, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

This is happening for any election that uses the state-level parties in their infoboxes. For instance, see the 2022 California State Assembly election page. Since the infobox was made using links to the California Democratic and California Republican parties, there are no colors in the infobox. UruGhan (talk) 09:49, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Ah, this is presumably because that article uses "California Democratic Party" rather than "Democratic Party (California)", so Mike's edits broke the redirect at Module:Political party/C to "Republican Party (US)". The solution is to go through all the modules and fix any double redirects like this. Perhaps some code/bot needs to be set up to identify any double redirects within the template and fix them? Cheers, Number 57 10:52, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Is there a way to fix this for all jurisdictions (the states, DC, and territories)? UruGhan (talk) 11:32, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

 Partly done: I've gone through and avoided any double redirects (i.e. US -> United States). Should all be good now. Primefac (talk) 13:52, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Actually, I meant to revert my changes completely when I figured out that this code is developing a short name and not a link target. I was trying to avoid links to redirects which I thought were consistently generated by this module, but this module isn't involved and it's instead the parameters to the template that cause the redirects.

I want to revert my changes to both Module:Political party/R and Module:Political party/D ... I thought I had done back on the 29th. Does that mean the compensating changes to Module:Political party/C should be rolled back at the same time? (I think so.) -- Mikeblas (talk) Mikeblas (talk) 16:44, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Let's figure out what we want this to look like, and I'll hit things with AWB and get all of them at once. Primefac (talk) 16:59, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 August 2023

Need to include some party colors for a few political parties inside Albania and add a few. Gjondeda (talk) 20:46, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: According to the page's protection level you should be able to edit the page yourself. If you seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. Primefac (talk) 13:08, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Some Indonesian Political Parties

• ["Crescent Star Party (Indonesia)"] = {abbrev = "PBB", color = "#005825", shortname = "",},
• ["Reform Star Party"] = {abbrev = "PBR", color = "#BCDA00", shortname = "",},
• ["Prosperous Peace Party"] = {abbrev = "PDS", color = "#893BFF", shortname = "",},
• ["Concern for the Nation Functional Party"] = {abbrev = "PKPB", color = "#014133", shortname = "",},
• ["Indonesian Justice and Unity Party"] = {abbrev = "PKP", color = "#E4000E", shortname = "",},
• ["United Democratic Nationhood Party"] = {abbrev = "PDK", color = "##12452A", shortname = "",},
• ["Indonesian National Party Marhaenism"] = {abbrev = "PNIM", color = "#A50005", shortname = "",},
• ["Pioneers' Party"] = {abbrev = "", color = "#FA0437", shortname = "Pelopor",},
• ["Indonesian Democratic Vanguard Party"] = {abbrev = "PDI", color = "#F90313", shortname = "",},

65434fedcd ^(Talk) 03:03, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

 Partly done: Some of these were already done. Primefac (talk) 06:27, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Add Request: Vesna – Green Party

["Vesna – Green Party"] = {abbrev = "Vesna", color = "#00A65E", shortname = "",}, Jocafus (talk) 02:10, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

​ Go for it, though I will note that "Vesna" should go in shortname not abbrev. Primefac (talk) 07:40, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Perfect, done. Thanks! Jocafus (talk) 16:39, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Partido Federal ng Pilipinas color

This was originally dark green, based on the party's original logo. It was changed to blue User:Siuhl10, based on the new logo. The party has changed logos on every election it participated (2019, 2022). If it changes logos in 2025, will we change the color as well?

Blue is problematic as a similar shade already used by the Laban ng Demokratikong Pilipino. This causes confusion as both parties have put up presidential and vice presidential candidates in history. Granted, PFP green is very similar to National Unity Party green, but perhaps we can change PFP green to another shade of green. Even in 2022, UniTeam used PFP green in its logo, along with Hugpong ng Pagbabago red. Green is their campaign color. Howard the Duck (talk) 23:58, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps of changing the shade of PFP's green, we should instead change NUP's. Since the color code #97c639ff is much more fitting for the NUP than the darker shade it currently has. Siuhl10 (talk) 01:49, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Then it would be similar to the Nacionalista Party color (but not too similar re: PFP vs NUP). Also, I have a long-standing project about Philippine political party colors here in Wikipedia here. For the fifth Republic, I'd agree with you on changing NUP colors to this one that you suggested as Nacionalistas won't be using this shade any more.

With that being said, I'd be okay with your suggestion at this time, only that we have to change some maps as NUP has been far more active in elections than PFP, and probably a slightly darker color. Howard the Duck (talk) 02:13, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Add request: Third Way (Poland)

["Third Way (Polish political alliance)"] = {abbrev = "TD", color = "#4FBD90", shortname = "Third Way",},

Note: this color is taken from campaign material (https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=675045017993055&set=a.148315667332662) and is slightly different than the currently used PSL color (#2ED397). CrimsonCube (talk) 15:46, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

 Done Number 57 21:38, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

National Constitutional Assembly

Based off recent electoral campaigning, the NCA is now using orange as their party colour: #EA6646 Could this please be updated accordingly? Mangwanani ^(talk) 14:56, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

 Done Number 57 21:38, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Mavambo/Kusile/Dawn

Simba Makoni used yellow for his 2008 Presidential Campaign. Please could this colour be updated accordingly. Green was restricted for ZANU-PF in 2008... Thank you! Mangwanani ^(talk) 10:30, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

 Done Number 57 21:38, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Request to change Janata Party Color

The JP is now used purple as their party colour: #800080 Could this please be updated accordingly? P J Chatterjee (talk) 10:30, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: @P J Chatterjee: Can you please clarify exactly which party you're talking about and provide a source for them using this color? Elli (talk | contribs) 06:55, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Citizens Coalition for Change

Two requests in regard to this party:

1) Is it possible to have the name be recognised both with and without a capital F on the word 'for'?

2) The graphic designers of the political maps have had a discussion and have colour-matched the campaign material that the CCC uses to the colour #FAE64D. Please could the colour for this party be updated to reflect this more yellow/less orange tone?

Thank you! Mangwanani ^(talk) 21:28, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

 Done Number 57 21:33, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

America Coming Together Party

["America Coming Together Party"] = {abbrev = "ACT", color = "#890200", shortname = "ACT",}, BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 20:22, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

​ go for it, though I will note "ACT" should not be in the shortname, just the abbrev. Primefac (talk) 20:25, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Add Request: There is One Poland

["There is One Poland"] = {abbrev = "PJJ", color = "#0054A5",}, KrzysztofRCV (talk) 10:19, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

 Done Elli (talk | contribs) 06:59, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Edit request 8 October 2023

Description of suggested change: To change the Move Forward Party's colour from that of the current one which neither matches the orange hex value present on the party's official website nor on the party logo as it appears on their official website. The proposed edit seeks to change it to the colour as used by the menu text present on the party's official website.

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["Move Forward Party"] = {abbrev = "", color = "#FF7F2A", shortname = "Move Forward",},

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["Move Forward Party"] = {abbrev = "", color = "#FF6A00", shortname = "Move Forward",},

KrebsLovesFiesh (Talk) 13:42, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Going to need more, editor KrebsLovesFiesh: First, here are the two colors...

• #FF7F2A =  
• #FF6A00 =  

Need you to point me to the exact location on their official website where, as you say, the orange hex value is shown. I looked all over and didn't find it. Thank you for your help in this! P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 17:59, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Ah @Paine Ellsworth, it's simply that the proposed colour value is taken from the text on the header of the website (I eyedropped it with Photoshop). The first colour (#FF7F2A) is that which is on the logo of the party present on the website, and the second (#FF6A00) is taken from the colour that the website itself uses for navigational texts and things. There is no explicitly stated colour value that you can find on their website, so this'll have to be your discretion whether to take the colour used in the logo itself or to take the colour that the website header text uses. KrebsLovesFiesh (Talk) 03:42, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Interesting, editor KrebsLovesFiesh. When the MFP was added with [this edit] back in April by editor PLATEL using the #FF7F2A   hex color code, he probably did something similar to find the code for the logo of the party. I can see by looking at the website, which uses several different shades of orange in various contexts, how this might be confusing. Why do you think it's better to use the color from texts and things instead of the color of the logo? P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 15:04, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

@Paine Ellsworth On second thought, yeah. I think it will be better if we stick to the colour of the actual party logo. As for topical variations, I will just use the specific hex code where needed. Thank you for having me think about it that way. KrebsLovesFiesh (Talk) 06:11, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

It's my pleasure, and thank you for your edits! P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 07:33, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Edit request 24 October 2023

Argentine political party Renewal Front and its abbrevation:

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FR-PJ (stand from Justicialist Party)

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FR

Segagustin (talk) 16:47, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

 Already done this is already listed at Module:Political party/R. Elli (talk | contribs) 01:01, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Free Voters of Bavaria #FF8000

cc @Brainiac242:

I would like to suggest to harmonize national "Free Voters" (FW) and state "Free Voters of Bavaria" (FWB) to both use orange  , and use the same orange as in de:Vorlage:Wahldiagramm/Partei/DE to support multi-lingual diagrams across wikipedias like c:File:Composition of the German Bundesrat as a pie chart small.svg, thanks. Aeroid (talk) 18:28, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

see Sync colors from dewiki below.

Aeroid (talk) 21:53, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

 Done (see below) Aeroid (talk) 17:40, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Sync colors from dewiki

Following my earlier subject, I would actually expand my suggestion to use all major parties colors from the German template for political party colors also here. In most cases the differences are minor and using these colors should not add issues here, I guess.

A synched color scheme would allow election diagrams on Commons to match to both Wikipedias: enwiki and dewiki.

German election diagram colors EN vs DE

EN	DE	Party
#161a1d	#000000	Christian Democratic Union
#64a12d	#46962b	The Greens
#e3010f	#E3000F	Social Democratic Party
#be3075	#BE3075	The Left
#ffed00	#FFFF00	Free Democratic Party
#008ac5	#0088CE	Christian Social Union in Bavaria
#f59b00	#FF8000	Free Voters
#007e82	#FF8000	Free Voters of Bavaria
#009ee0	#009EE0	Alternative for Germany

Changes:

["Christian Democratic Union of Germany"] = {abbrev = "CDU", color = "#000000", shortname = "",},
["Alliance 90/The Greens"] = {abbrev = "", color = "#46962b", shortname = "Greens",},
["Social Democratic Party of Germany"] = {abbrev = "SPD", color = "#E3000F", shortname = "",},
["Free Democratic Party (Germany)"] = {abbrev = "FDP", color = "#FFFF00", shortname = "",},
["Christian Social Union in Bavaria"] = {abbrev = "CSU", color = "#0088CE", shortname = "",},
["Free Voters"] = {abbrev = "FW", color = "#FF8000", shortname = "",},
["Free Voters of Bavaria"] = {abbrev = "FWB", color = "#FF8000", shortname = "",},

Aeroid (talk) 21:31, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

@Aeroid: I support using the same colours in both Wikipedias. I oppose simply copying the colours used in the German version to the English version, or vice versa. I think we need to look at the actual colours used in the party logos to decide which colours to use. I downloaded all the logos used in the infoboxes of both Wikipedias and checked:

Party	Party logo(s)	Colour(s) used	Notes / Opinion
Social Democratic Party of Germany		#E3000F	The German Wikipedia already uses the colour in the logo (top), and the colour in the flag (bottom) is only slightly different. As the English Wikipedia uses neither, I think we should use the colour from the German wiki.
		#E30013
Christian Democratic Union of Germany		#151518	Logo and flag use the same colour, which is different from both the German and the English versions. I think we should use this colour in both.
		#151518
Christian Social Union in Bavaria		#008AC5	The opposite of the SPD. The English Wikipedia already uses the colour in the logo. The German Wikipedia uses neither. I think we should use the colour from the English wiki.
		#0E88D3
Alliance 90/The Greens		#409A3C	All four colours are different. I think we should use one of these in both Wikipedias. I’d prefer the colour of the logo (top), as that is what we are doing (hopefully) with the SPD and the CSU.
		#1FA12D
Free Democratic Party		#FFED00	Logo and flag use the same colour, which is the one used in the English Wikipedia. I think we should use it in both.
		#FFED00
Alternative for Germany		#0066A5	The logo uses a gradient of these two colours. We can use either one of them, or the average of the two (#0084C2:  ). Or just leave it as it is, seeing as both wikis agree for once.
		#00A2DE
The Left		#DC0000	Both logo and flag use the same shade of red, but it’s customary to use purple/pink for The Left to distinguish it from the SPD. Both wikis use the exact same purple/pink, so we should probably leave that one.
		#DC0000
Free Voters	Logo used in the English Wikipedia Logo used in the German Wikipedia	#F7A600	Interestingly, both wikis use orange (the colour of the sun) instead of blue (the colour of the text), possibly to distinguish the party from the CSU and the AfD. The two logos use a different shade of blue for the text, but in both the sun uses a gradient of these exact two colours. We can use either one of them, or the average of the two (#F49700:  ).
		#F18700
Free Voters of Bavaria		#F7A800	I agree with you, I think we should use the same colour for both the federal and the state parties. Possibly this one, as this sun has a solid colour instead of a gradient.

Brainiac242 (talk) 19:26, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Good discussion!

Let me summarize to check that I understand your suggestion:

German election diagram colors EN vs DE

EN	DE	Brainiac242	Party
#161A1D	#000000	#151518	Christian Democratic Union
#64A12D	#46962B	#409A3C	The Greens
#E3010F	#E3000F	#E3000F	Social Democratic Party
#BE3075	#BE3075	#BE3075	The Left
#FFED00	#FFFF00	#FFED00	Free Democratic Party
#008AC5	#0088CE	#008AC5	Christian Social Union in Bavaria
#F59B00	#FF8000	#F7A800	Free Voters
#007E82	#FF8000	#F7A800	Free Voters of Bavaria
#009EE0	#009EE0	#00A2DE	Alternative for Germany

This would mean the following changes here in enwiki:

["Christian Democratic Union of Germany"] = {abbrev = "CDU", color = "#151518", shortname = "",},
["Alliance 90/The Greens"] = {abbrev = "", color = "#409A3C", shortname = "Greens",},
["Social Democratic Party of Germany"] = {abbrev = "SPD", color = "#E3000F", shortname = "",},
["Free Voters"] = {abbrev = "FW", color = "#F7A800", shortname = "",},
["Free Voters of Bavaria"] = {abbrev = "FWB", color = "#F7A800", shortname = "",},
["Alternative for Germany"] = {abbrev = "AfD", color = "#00A2DE", shortname = "",},

...and these changes to dewiki (just touching dark/dunkel colors for now):

 |CDU = {{#switch: {{{2|}}}|hell=cccccc|dunkel=151518|link=[[Christlich Demokratische Union Deutschlands|CDU]]}}
 |CSUE = {{#switch: {{{2|}}}|hell=a4c8eb|dunkel=008AC5|link=[[Christlich-Soziale Union in Bayern|CSU]]}}
 |GRÜNE|Grüne = {{#switch: {{{2|}}}|hell=9bd29b|dunkel=409A3C|link=[[Bündnis 90/Die Grünen|Grüne]]}}
 |FDP = {{#switch: {{{2|}}}|hell=ffff99|dunkel=FFED00|link=[[Freie Demokratische Partei|FDP]]}}
 |FW(BV) = {{#switch: {{{2|}}}|hell=F5BE95|dunkel=F7A800|link=[[Freie Wähler (Partei)|FW]]}}
 |FW(BY) = {{#switch: {{{2|}}}|hell=F5BE95|dunkel=F7A800|link=[[Landesvereinigung Freie Wähler Bayern|FW]]}}
 |AfD|AFD = {{#switch: {{{2|}}}|hell=99ccff|dunkel=00A2DE|link=[[Alternative für Deutschland|AfD]]}}

PS: I'll crosspost to the german discussion page to get hear their opinion, once you confirm that my summary of your suggestion is correct.

--Aeroid (talk) 11:01, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

@Aeroid: I made some corrections to your edit. I proposed changing the colour of the Greens in both Wikipedias (not just the English), the colour of the CSU only in the German (not both), and the colour of the SPD only in the English (not both). I also removed the colours of the CDU/CSU in your German changes because that wasn’t discussed, and I’m not actually sure we should be using the same colour for the Union as for the CDU (see here). Other than that, it all looks good.

I just want to clarify that these aren’t hard suggestions, and I’d also be in favour of using, for example, #1FA12D for the Greens and #F49700 for Free Voters. Brainiac242 (talk) 12:34, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, gave notice on dewiki to join discussion. de:Vorlage Diskussion:Wahldiagramm/Partei/DE#Notice: Color harmonization discussion on enwiki Aeroid (talk) 12:39, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

I don't see averaging colors across de/en as a solution in general. It would be as good as a single change on either side. Currently I see no need to "compromise". (Greens)

It would be much more desireable to me, if we can get closer to some "reality", if that isn't creating some othe problem. Aeroid (talk) 12:55, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

@Aeroid: I never suggested averaging the colours used in the English and German Wikipedias as a compromise. As I said in the table above, the AfD and FW logos use a color gradient of two shades of the same colour (blue for AfD and orange for FW). My example of another acceptable colour for FW (#F49700) is the average of those two shades. My example of another acceptable colour for the Greens (#1FA12D) is the colour used in the second party logo in the table above. My (apparently rather bad) clarification was: “Yes, I suggested the colours in your summary, but I also suggested others in the table above, and if other editors prefer any of those to the ones in the summary, I’d support those as well.” Brainiac242 (talk) 13:28, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Gotcha! They make it quite difficult to find a better source for the "real" color, just look at their various section. on a website, different websites and logos. This is nothing we can solve for them. So, let's not bind ourselfs religiously to the exact colors the party use (and change more often than we would like).

Of course, our main goal with these templates/modules is to distinguish them whenever they are displayed together (in a diagram) and use a color across the wiki that generally is associated with them politically.

This suggestion is just to harmonize across wikis and better use common diagrams.

I'm fine with your suggestions. Aeroid (talk) 15:57, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

I don't hear any further things to consider. Neigther here nor on the German discussion page. Thus I guess we could head into implementing the sugesstion soon. Aeroid (talk) 06:06, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

I agree. I can change the colours here and you do it in the German Wikipedia. One more thing, would you also support using #00A2DE for the AfD instead? Unlike the other colour, this one is actually used in the logo and is a bit more different from the colour of the CSU. Brainiac242 (talk) 10:29, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

It's not such a big issue: e.g. German article on Bavarian Parlament uses the alternative black for CSU, which is often used if you don't need to distinguish CSU / CDU sister parties on same chart. But since it was part of the suggestion to be reviewed on both wikis, lets implement the changeset including it. Aeroid (talk) 18:42, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

All done here. Brainiac242 (talk) 19:58, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Also done in dewiki. I'll update the Bundesrat diagram over the weekend! Great collaboration and thanks for raising the issue. Aeroid (talk) 17:39, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Movement fo Autonomy color

@Nick.mon I saw that you reverted my edit about the Movement for Autonomy's color, but it seems to me that its official color is the orange, not the Robin egg blue. In which graphs is robin egg blue used to indicate party? Scia Della Cometa (talk) 11:20, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

@Scia Della Cometa: This color was used in the graph about the 2008 general election, and all the Sicilian parliaments since 2008. Moreover, the color you proposed is quite similar to those of UDEUR and Great South. And despite than little portion of the logo, orange wasn't used by the party, if I remember well, all the electoral posters were in blue or azure. -- Nick.mon (talk) 16:16, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Polisario Front's colour

The colour of Polisario Front here should be changed. I assume the colour red was chosen due to Polisario being seen as some sort of communist party. The colour is however not used by the Front to represent Polisario itself, with the logo having orange as the dominant colour. That's why I request to change it to the hex colour #E16026, which derives from the logo itself (as based on the source of the one used in the infobox). I am using this colour in the template for the national liberation movement and I think it's more fitting. Tidjani Saleh (talk) 19:02, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Edit request 5 November 2023

I challenge the current 'abbreviation' of Direction – Social Democracy SMER–SD. First, SMER–SD does not fulfill the essence of the acronym. SMER should not be written in capital letters, because they are not initial letters of words in a phrase, but actually is a single word in the Slovak language (Direction).

Secondly, the dash, which in the abbreviation SMER–SD is supposed to fulfill the function of connecting with the epithet 'Social Democracy' brings confusion because it creates the appearance of connecting two acronyms. To give an example, when you want to list the current ruling coalition in Slovakia with this abbreviation, it would have to be SMER–SD–HLAS–SD–SNS, which creates the impression that the coalition consists of 5 entities and is graphically unclear and inconsistent.

I propose the following solution to this problem: remove the current abbreviation and introduce the shortname 'Smer'.

This shortname complies with customs and is both content and graphically consistent.

I add other examples to confirm: Fidesz – Hungarian Civic Alliance (Fidesz – Magyar Polgári Szötségé) uses the abbreviation Fidesz, not the shortname-acronym Fidesz–MPS. Just like the Latvian Social Democratic Party "Harmony" (Sociālmokratiskā partija "Saskaņa") does not use something like SDP SASKAŅA or SDP–SASKAŅA, but simply just the short name 'Harmony'. If we look at the common abbreviation used in Slovak and also in the international press, there is no consensus reached, we can find SMER–SD, Smer–SD, and finally Smer.

In addition: this political party was founded in 1999 as Direction (Smer) and adopted the epithet 'Social Democracy' only in 2005, so if the abbreviation SMER–SD is used for the elections from 1999 until 2005, it is not correct.

90.64.71.124 (talk) 09:57, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

I challenge the current 'abbreviation' of Voice – Social Democracy HLAD–SD. First, HLAS–SD does not fulfill the essence of the acronym. HLAS should not be written in capital letters, because they are not initial letters of words in a phrase, but actually is a single word in the Slovak language (Voice or Vote).

Secondly, the dash, which in the abbreviation HLAS–SD is supposed to fulfill the function of connecting with the epithet 'Social Democracy' brings confusion because it creates the appearance of connecting two acronyms. To give an example, when you want to list the current ruling coalition in Slovakia with this abbreviation, it would have to be SMER–SD–HLAS–SD–SNS, which creates the impression that the coalition consists of 5 entities and is graphically unclear and inconsistent.

I propose the following solution to this problem: remove the current abbreviation and introduce the shortname 'Hlas'.

This shortname complies with customs and is both content and graphically consistent.

I add other examples to confirm: Fidesz – Hungarian Civic Alliance (Fidesz – Magyar Polgári Szötségé) uses the abbreviation Fidesz, not the shortname-acronym Fidesz–MPS. Just like the Latvian Social Democratic Party "Harmony" (Sociālmokratiskā partija "Saskaņa") does not use something like SDP SASKAŅA or SDP–SASKAŅA, but simply just the short name 'Harmony'. If we look at the common abbreviation used in Slovak and also in the international press, there is no consensus reached, we can find HLAS–SD, HLAS–SD, and finally Hlas. 90.64.71.124 (talk) 10:00, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Shas Request for a color change

Shas's colors in the template are now   black and   gold. but in their publications the main color is yellow (or gold...) and i should be the first color. its is a bit strange to pic black as the main color. I suggest that it will be change to:   gold   black or   yellow   black. 5.22.135.54 (talk) 08:18, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Conservative Union of the Right

Hello. The color of the Conservative Union of the Right is #100A54. Can you make a template for it? Thanks. 95.87.235.200 (talk) 09:27, 10 November 2023 (UTC)