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Surely this should be "colour" throughout, even in sections pertaining to American sports? I don't necessarily mind it and I understand why it is the way it is, but articles should normally use consistent spelling throughout, and WP:ENGVAR doesn't list any exceptions that fit this scenario. --Bongwarrior (talk) 03:20, 20 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps it should, but at the moment it's effectively several small articles in one. (They're OK as sections, but most would only make short/stub articles.) When I made the page, I borrowed content from several other Wikipedia articles, and didn't feel it was my place to change American spellings. Or worth the time or possible edit wars. But I'm sure searchandreplacebot will be along soon enough, once he's finished forcing everyone in the Commonwealth to use DMY dates. :-) Responsible? (talk) 04:53, 7 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
OK OK, I'm going to throw a curveball (AmE) – I'm in New Zealand. So, I'll tearfully put a "Use New Zealand English" tag on the article – i.e. "colour". And let the chips (AmE/BrE/???) fall where they may.
The rules on English variations state:
1. Wikipedia overall doesn't favour one national variety over another
2. Articles (apparently) must be consistent in forms of spelling
3. If the subject doesn't concern one particular nation, go with the English variety in the original version (post-stub), which was mine. So, New Zealand English, who'da thunkit.
Therefore, with my sincere apologies to all American spellers, it's "colour" throughout the article, even in sections where it's inappropriate. I really hate to impose any form of English – I'm only doing this to stay within the rigid WP rules, and trying to avoid worse UK-US edit wars later. I don't know of any edit wars involving New Zealand English, although I'm sure it's possible.
But don't forget the fun part,
4. According to MOS:ARTCON, you can use the "color" spelling here if it's in a quote, proper name or URL. So, go nuts. (AmE)
I hope this'll be satisfactory for most users. –- Responsible? (talk) 06:24, 7 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Citing Wikiprecedent – several existing articles have a strange or random choice, e.g. insisting on British English in the articles on Dubai, Ballpoint pen, or International English... or insisting on American English in Moses, Death, Synesthesia or Pierre de Coubertin. But it was seemingly necessary to pick one, as it was with this article, where colours are mentioned constantly. Please don't bash it just because it's not British or American. - Responsible? (talk) 07:29, 7 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Many of these US-related sections pertain to leagues like the MLB, NBA, and NHL which also have teams in Canada. So we can just easily say that its also the Canadian English spelling of "colour". Zzyzx11 (talk) 04:28, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Come on, fellas, New Zealand English? I understand what Responsible? is saying about the oddity of first variant wins, but NZ English is a sub-class of Commonwealth English. Unless you're writing about iwi or jandals, there's no difference. ;) So if we're just addressing the colour vs. color difference then Cwlth would be more appropriate. It looks odd having this international article tagged to one national variety when there are no TIES. (Or to put it another way, although Responsible is in New Zealand, the spelling used was not specifically New-Zealand-ish.)

User:Zdestefon just unilaterally changed the article to US English, I'm about to revert that pending further discussion. Seems that having it consistently "NZ" colour didn't prevent the engvar wars.

Honestly, I'd be quite happy to see this article use color in US-specific sections and colour elsewhere. Yes, as Bongwarrior said, "articles should normally use consistent spelling throughout" but this could be a case where we can go a bit WP:IAR and allow both spellings to co-exist, so long as they are consistent within each section. What does everyone think? Will section-level consistency lead to more conflict or less? Pinging Zzyzx11 also.

— Pelagic (talk) 00:54, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, that's the rule of MOS:ARTCON. Same rule applies to COVID-19 pandemic in North America#United States and other high-visible pages. I do not agree to make an exception here if we cannot do this on those high-visible pages. As for Zdestefon, based on the number of contributions so far, probably was not aware of the WP:ENGVAR guidelines yet. IMO, there is no ongoing edit war, as this article has been edited infrequently within the past few months, just only an editor who could still be considered a newcomer, and has barely made 10 edits so far. Zzyzx11 (talk) 00:58, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough, one example does not a war make. I've struck that claim from my post. Though I also see Special:Diff/1009120291/1011012674, I’m not going to go digging for more. What strikes me is that people are doing a mass find-replace and creating fallacies like "New Zealand English uses the spelling 'color'." Sigh. Pelagic (talk) 02:30, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm American and I'm 'OK' with spelling color with a 'u' and I think it makes sense for an article to spell consistently (but what if Jimmy decides that ALL articles in a certain language must hew to the same standard, huh? What then?). Anyway.

Where I am having trouble is when the articles quote the official NFL (for instance) regulations. They absou-frigging-lootely do NOT use "colour"!! It is a quote, for gosh sakes! If you change it from what it is, it IS NOT a quote!!! It becomes "original work" or some such. A quote darn-well ought to be exact or alternatively any changes should be in brackets.98.21.213.85 (talk) 10:50, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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UEFA Cup 1998-1999 Home team wearing away kit

"During the 1998/99 season UEFA's kit policy dictated that any clash in first choice kits led to the home team changing shirts." (https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/arsenal-forced-wear-away-kit-8932338) Liverpool vs Valencia is one example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORcVmOME5tk Sarnobat (talk) 09:11, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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