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The article was rated C-class, as there were too many paragraphs and several quotes, that did not have in-line citations. Boneyard90 (talk) 15:41, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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"She put this doctrine into practice most clearly in Central America, by supporting the Contras in Nicaragua and the military Juntas in Guatemala and El Salvador, all of which perpetrated massive human rights violations while countering a perceived communist threat."

PERCIEVED!?Why is this sourced to someone, Noam Chomsky, who is no expert on the subject matter and clearly has an ax to grind? Isn't there even a shred of neutrality?

Spiker_22 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.123.104.9 (talk) 04:49, 14 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. "Perceived" is weasel wording (WP:ALLEGED) and anyway it was "gotcha!" POV commentary, which doesn't belong in the lead chapters. Noam Chomsky is a notable author though and his views on Kirkpatrick doctrine should be said somewhere (apparently they already are in Kirkpatrick Doctrine article), but it's not a very good idea to use it such broad statements without atrributing the source. --Pudeo ' 04:41, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Also noting that Noam Chomsky is covered later in this article, when he calls Jeane Kirkpatrick "Chief sadist-in-residence of the Reagan Administration". There is no reason to lift Chomsky's opinions to the lead section however, that would be undue weight --Pudeo ' 04:44, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Pudeo, I appreciate your concern; however, describing her doctrine in her own words with no external analysis is not NPOV either. The word "percieved" was put there simply because some of those opponents are not described as communist by reliable sources; but the governments that Kirkpatrick supported, saw them as communist. I am willing to discuss wording; but we cannot, in Wikipedia's voice, claim them to be communist. Finally, Chomsky is not here because of his own individual opinion; he was used as a source because he synthesizes many sources into his analysis, thus providing almost a meta-analysis. There are different sources which discuss the human rights violations of each of those governments separately; not very many look at them together. Vanamonde93 (talk) 10:10, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I can't believe you think such wording is NPOV and okay to put Chomsky in the lede without even attributing, and it wouldn't be due with attributing anyway. Why do you think this needs to be in the lede when the article later on goes into detail? "Massive human rights violations" is a POV, especially as the Sardinistas are estimated to have committed more abuses and deaths according to some. --Pudeo ' 16:30, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Your removal was reverted; you need to justify it, per BRD, which you have failed to do. You cannot discuss the Kirkpatrick doctrine without mentioning its criticisms. You cannot call socialist/leftist/authoritarian regimes "communist" without attribution. I am happy to work on wording, or on finding other sources. Repeated blanking is not the way forward. Vanamonde93 (talk) 16:52, 19 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Please explain how a claim from Noam Chomsky's book is WP:DUE in the lead and how we need POV-wording like "massive human rights violations"? --Pudeo ' 23:40, 19 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I did not say Chomsky was due; I said the point that Chomsky is used as a source for, is due weight, because the Kirkpatrick doctrine has been criticized in the literature, and the criticism needs to be present as well. "Massive human rights violations" is documented fact; the phrase is used because gettting into great detail there is not possible. You are still ignoring BRD. Propose alternative wording instead of screaming "undue." You only need to do a quick search through any scholarly database to find a number of critiques of the doctrine. Chomsky is merely the most comprehensive, and easily accessible, of these. Vanamonde93 (talk) 04:30, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The suggestion or allegation that she was in charge of Latin American activities needs a pretty strong reliable source. Rjensen (talk) 06:34, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Rjensen, are you taking issue with the use of Chomsky, or do you feel that Chomsky does not quite say this? Vanamonde93 (talk) 06:39, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

none of the standard biographies or histories of the Reagan years claim that she was in charge of Latin American affairs. Chomsky does not make any such claim in his cited book Turning the Tide. Rjensen (talk) 06:49, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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