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Q1: Why can't I add "rapper," "musician," "Songwriter," or anything similar to the lead section?

A1: As per MOS:ROLEBIO, we only include positions in the lead section of Wikipedia articles if they are notable. This is not the case. We do mention Ben Shapiro's appearance in a rap music video in the article, however, we don't add this to the lead.
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Please also include that Ben Shapiro is a rapper in the intro for example:

Benjamin Aaron Shapiro (born January 15, 1984) is an American lawyer, columnist, rapper, author, and conservative political commentator. 2603:9001:2700:6FCF:604F:4354:570F:AF1 (talk) 03:34, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: see MOS:ROLEBIO Cannolis (talk) 03:49, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree that this is not a noteworthy role. Shapiro’s bio on X shows that he defines himself as a rapper. A person initially learning about Ben Shapiro and viewing his X profile will initially read that he is, indeed, a rapper. 2601:405:4400:C780:815C:7329:C477:D928 (talk) 16:30, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which secondary reliable sources indicate his music is notable to his biography? EvergreenFir (talk) 17:27, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Occupation

Even after the semi protection template that @EvergreenFir instated on this page, we still are getting deconstructive edits in regard to ‘Rapper’ being added to occupation. I’m wondering if invisible comments would help in this matter. What are everyone’s thoughts? @Cannolis Wanted to ping you as well in this discussion! Elvisisalive95 (talk) 14:27, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can't hurt, though probably wouldn't help either, in my experience the kind of people that would add this sort of thing won't read those comments. The number of confirmed users that would(like the person you had to revert) is relatively small though, you could also wait and see if you get more of these edits before acting. Cannolis (talk) 20:52, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Roger that. Sounds like a plan, thank you very much. Elvisisalive95 (talk) 21:10, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My thoughts roughly match Cannolis'. In case it ever helps, I oppose adding "rapper" to the lead and any rapper categories to the article, per WP:BALANCE, WP:ROLEBIO, and WP:CATDEFINING, among other reasons. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 21:20, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - His rapping "career" is not even established as notable enough to include. A youtube link is insufficient. We need reliable secondary sources covering this song to even include it. EvergreenFir (talk) 23:59, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I just added a reliable secondary source per Wikipedia:RSPSS to your revert . I too don’t believe by any means it merits being included as a career at all. That’s why I originally just wrote a simple sentence on the page stating the fact that it happened, which i believe should be included on this page in the capacity it is now. Elvisisalive95 (talk) 00:16, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A piece from one of the blogs at The Hill, which are not as reliable as the news articles from the site. I'm not sure that's enough to demonstrate that the content is notable (with a lowercase n, not talking about WP:N). Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 00:20, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I simply grabbed from one of the approved sources per Wikipedia:RSPSS as stated above. Nonetheless I truly appreciate your input, value your opinion & went ahead and added another source Here. Elvisisalive95 (talk) 01:00, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ben Shapiro as a rapper

The definition of a rapper, according to the Merriam-Webster dictionary, is "One who performed rap music." Rap music is defined as "A form of popular music emphasizing spoken rhymes over heavy rhythmic backing tracks." Using this definition, Ben Shapiro can be objectively classified as a rapper by definition, due to his performance in Tom MacDonald's new music video "Facts."

https://spectator.org/ben-shapiro-a-chart-topping-rapper/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kGpohEpuTE

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rapper

https://www.wordnik.com/words/rap%20music UnregisteredSkeptic (talk) 02:28, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shapiro has paricipated in one, count 'em, one rap video. As far as I know, he has never performed as a rapper in public or toured as a rapper. No awards as a rapper. That is an avocation or a side hustle or a hobby. Shapiro is not notable as a rapper, and it simply does not belong in the lead at this time. Cullen328 (talk) 02:36, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are we still doing this? Thanks Cullen328. Drmies (talk) 02:37, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Now we're done. Drmies (talk) 02:43, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See MOS:ROLEBIO. Ben Shapiro is not notable for being a rapper as he has only been featured one song very recently. His other professions largely overshadow this. We do mention rap feature, However we don’t mention it in the lead for this reason. SKAG123 (talk) 20:29, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is a nice mention of his rap debut in the body of the article. I agree that that is sufficient.--FeralOink (talk) 08:30, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikiprojects and assessment

I removed invalid parameters for Wikiproject Politics. (There is no "fascism" subcategory in the template!) Not sure why he is a member of so many Wikiprojects. Ben Shapiro is NOT of "mid importance" to the United States! As a member of that project and of the Internet culture project, I am downgrading him to low importance. As for Judaism, we don't include every person who is Jewish and has a BLP or biographical article in that project, but rather, in the category. (He is in several varieties of Jewish people categories.) He is definitely not of mid importance to southern California. I do believe that the article is better than merely C class, and should be upgraded to B class. I have not made any changes to quality assessment.--FeralOink (talk) 08:30, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew Neil Controversy?

I get that he's a contentious guy and wikipedia has to maintain some semblance of balance but I'm surprised there's no subsection for controversies and even more surprised that there's absolutely no mention of his fairly unflattering Andrew Neil Interview since this is what he's most famous for in the UK 2A00:23C6:740D:A401:38A2:1444:4B0:A97B (talk) 16:27, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]