Talk:Cloud computing

Ungrammatical and Uninterpretable Language, Incoherent Scope/Purpose, Full of Misinformation

Just as an example:

“By 2019, Linux was the most widely used operating system, including in Microsoft's offerings and is thus described as dominant.”

What does this even mean? Most widely used in what sense (there’s no context to clarify)? What does it mean for it to be described as dominant, and why does that matter (“described as xyz” especially when xyz is subjective, shouldn’t be used in a Wikipedia article unless describing a specific person’s option, identified as such).

I’m sure this article is full of this kind of thing; I mean, the fact that most cloud computing would have to be Linux-based by default and pretty much always has been is either obvious to the reader or requires a more detailed explanation, depending on their level of technological literacy. I can’t do so due to a currently hectic schedule but this article needs a major overhaul at least and probably a complete rewrite – not just because of quality issues, but also because it’s an increasingly mainstream topic that isn’t well understood by the average person and it should therefore be a high priority for Wikipedia to have a clear, accurate, accessible, and fully sourced article on the topic.

Andyharbor (talk) 21:07, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Stated above, "the fact that most cloud computing would have to be Linux-based by default and pretty much always has been is either obvious to the reader or requires a more detailed explanation, depending on their level of technological literacy." Setting aside for the moment your valid "huh?" about dominance &c, pretty much any statement about Linux would be unobvious to the vast majority of Wikipedia readers. I do agree that the article is filled with jargon and [insert your post title here], and does not present cloud computing in a way that even an above-average person can understand. I am working on a project that involves cloud computing and when I finish it, I may try to at least clean up some of the language a bit. Denisecaruso (talk) 06:12, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Clearing up clutter in lead

I think the lead should just contain a definition of what cloud computing is, and maybe one or two facts related to that definition. I have decided to remove the following section because I think that a) it clutters up the lead far too much b) a lot of the facts presented would fit better in other sections, such as History.

The availability of high-capacity networks, low-cost computers and storage devices as well as the widespread adoption of hardware virtualization, service-oriented architecture and autonomic and utility computing has led to growth in cloud computing. As of 2017, 90% of the public cloud runs a Linux-based operating system. Clouds may be limited to a single organization (enterprise or private clouds), or be available to multiple organizations (public cloud).

Lankyliver🧠 (talk / contribs) 01:27, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@Lankyliver: the lead is now one short paragraph. How do you come by the assessment that a two-paragraph lead is cluttered? That content can certaily be moved to history but it is also acceptable to include a summary of it in the lead. ~Kvng (talk) 14:41, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Deleting that paragraph threw out most of the baby with the bathwater, even if the baby was kind of covered in spit-up.

The first three items in the first sentence, i.e., big fast networks, cheap computers and cheap storage, did not "lead to growth in cloud computing"; cloud computing could not have come to be without them. Nor was it the "widespread adoption" of hardware virtualization et al. that "led to growth ..." That may eventually have been true, but those technologies -- which enabled and were/are the primary characteristics of cloud computing -- had to be developed first. First we develop, then we adopt, then we grow.

If it were written well, this information would provide a context and framework for the rest of what the article should cover.

I agree wholeheartedly that the last two sentences should not be in the introductory paragraph, for so many reasons that I will not list them here. Thank you for removing them! Denisecaruso (talk) 06:59, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

References

Crap article

I cannot read this crap because it disgusts my senses. 62.165.157.33 (talk) 06:04, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Proposed edit, looking for consensus

Hello, I would like to request adding the following information to the Multicloud subsection of this article. This includes a notable partnership within the multicloud arena between two of the largest cloud computing corporations in the world. The partnership received significant coverage across major outlets like Business Insider, TechCrunch, Reuters, ZDNet, TechRadar, VentureBeat among many others.

Proposed edit, to add at the end of the Multicloud section:

In a move to simplify the connections between different cloud providers, Oracle and Microsoft announced direct connection and identity federation between Oracle Cloud and Microsoft Azure on June 5, 2019.

Is there consensus to support adding this information? Thank you. Ronanitu (talk) 15:02, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

References

I reverted this earlier - this sort of industry positioning is a very minor detail and I do not believe it should be covered on this article, no matter how many writers regurgitated the press release. - MrOllie (talk) 15:04, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

@MrOllie: Thank you for responding here as well. I'd like to open up the discussion for others to contribute to because I don't agree that this is a case of a very minor detail or reprinting of press releases, given the significant coverage in the major outlets. For anyone interested in the discussion between MrOllie and me, please see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:MrOllie&diff=prev&oldid=1070838965. Thank you! Ronanitu (talk) 16:23, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

When someone objects, that doesn't mean wait a few days and then do it anyway on a related article. MrOllie (talk) 18:59, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

This seems like a significant detail to me. The sources say it is unusual and there are implications for competition in cloud services. I'm not opposed to including it in the Multicloud article. I'm not convinced it needs to be included here yet. ~Kvng (talk) 16:00, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

@Kvng: thank you for your input. I agree with you that I'm not sure it belongs here. I proposed this edit before I realized there was a separate article for Multicloud, which is much more appropriate for this information. I will add it back to the Multicloud page. Thanks again for taking the time to review. Ronanitu (talk) 17:35, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

@MrOllie: Just wanted to ping you here because it looks like you may have missed the most recent addition to this discussion. Thank you. Ronanitu (talk) 18:05, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

I read it and I still disagree. MrOllie (talk) 18:12, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Characteristics section

The Characteristics section would be better named as 'Advantanges' because that is what it details rather than the characteristics that define a cloud. Only the last extensive quote actually seeks to define cloud computing. The wiki comment in this section talks about grouping pros and cons, but the actual text contains no cons. I'd fix it but fear reversion. Ashmoo (talk) 08:28, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Current Offerings section

Please someone, add a section listing the current cloud offerings: AWS, Microsoft, Google, etc... Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.210.30.146 (talk) 14:42, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

I didn't notice this request before. I added the requested section on Oct. 22. Ennex2 (talk) 12:32, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Cloud computing

क्लाउड कंप्यूटिंग उपयोगकर्ता द्वारा प्रत्यक्ष सक्रिय प्रबंधन के बिना, कंप्यूटर सिस्टम संसाधनों , विशेष रूप से डेटा स्टोरेज ( क्लाउड स्टोरेज ) और कंप्यूटिंग पावर की ऑन-डिमांड उपलब्धता है । बड़े बादलों के कार्य अक्सर कई स्थानों पर वितरित होते हैं, जिनमें से प्रत्येक एक डेटा सेंटर होता है । क्लाउड कंप्यूटिंग सुसंगतता प्राप्त करने के लिए संसाधनों के बंटवारे पर निर्भर करती है और आम तौर पर पे-एज़-यू-गो मॉडल का उपयोग करती है, जो पूंजीगत व्यय को कम करने में मदद कर सकती है लेकिन उपयोगकर्ताओं के लिए अप्रत्याशित परिचालन व्यय भी पैदा कर सकती है। 2402:8100:319C:AA3A:EE3C:4AC7:4A86:ACC4 (talk) 12:25, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

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clown computing

Dr Richard Stallman (founder of FSF/GNU that oversaw writing text/software licenses Wikipedia uses) calls this marketing term 'clown computing' (as do some other computer scientists); 'Words to Avoid (or Use with Care) Because They Are Loaded or Confusing: Cloud Computing'--dchmelik☀️🦉🐝🐍(talk|contrib) 11:20, 9 May 2024 (UTC)