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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 21:08, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MonkeySports

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Fails WP:NCORP. All the coverage I find is WP:ROUTINE and doesn't meet WP:ORGCRIT. CNMall41 (talk) 20:27, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge‎ to Mexican Professional Baseball Hall of Fame. Liz Read! Talk! 20:47, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of members of the Mexican Professional Baseball Hall of Fame

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Merge with Mexican Professional Baseball Hall of Fame - the parent article is not that detailed except for a detail of how people are elected to it so I don't see any particular reason for there to be a seperate page for inductees. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:50, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please note that I'm not in favor of deletion at all. I think having all this info on one page is a better approach. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:PM for merge requests. Conyo14 (talk) 14:50, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's very rarely used, this is generally an okay place to have these discussions. A lot more people see it. Esolo5002 (talk) 21:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Conyo14, thank you for the info. I was not aware of WP:PM. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:59, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus‎. Strong arguments on both sides. But after more than five weeks, consensus failed to materialize. Owen× ☎ 13:09, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cullen Large

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fails WP:GNG Joeykai (talk) 00:49, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A very easy keep. This biography clears GNG and NSPORTS by more than a lot of sports bios I've seen here. There is WP:SIGCOV in The Province, Baseball America, and Sportsnet, all of which are WP:SIRS. Dclemens1971 (talk) 01:02, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note that Sportsnet is owned by Rogers Communications, which also owns the Toronto Blue Jays, the organization that had Large at the time that article was written. Let'srun (talk) 15:02, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep. The three sources given by Dclemens1971 are reliable, independent of the article subject, and provide significant coverage. My understanding is that Sportsnet's news staff have editorial independence from the Blue Jays themselves, despite common ownership, so I believe that source is sufficiently independent to contribute towards notability. Even if that source weren't included, we'd have two sources that meet WP:SIGCOV, which is enough to meet WP:GNG's requirement that there be multiple such RS. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 02:31, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep‎. Liz Read! Talk! 06:22, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Carey Schueler

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Subject's only claim to fame is that she was the first woman MLB drafted and thus, they lifted their ban on drafting women, both of which are already mentioned in Women in baseball and her dad's articles. While that may be the case, she never actually played in any MLB or even MiLB game unlike Kelsie Whitmore. Her time in high school and college are not worth mentioning as she was not a star athlete in either cases. The sources backing these claims are either dead links or only mention her briefly and I cannot find enough coverage for her in general to meet WP:GNG or WP:NATHLETE anyway. The Legendary Ranger (talk) 19:46, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep. Besides the fact that it feels wrong to relegate a woman who broke through in a male dominated field to a mention in her male relative's article (in an encyclopedia which already has a gender gap issue), her drafting was very significant, lead to a rule change and also, notably not a publicity stunt but based on a genuine assessment of her talent. She is well covered in literature on the subject (1). The article could certainly use expansion (I'd like to find information on her performance in her senior year season, for instance), but that by itself is not reason to delete it any more than any other stub article. 🌸wasianpower🌸 (talk • contribs) 21:29, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How you "feel" is not a legit reason to keep an article. I am sure many other editors' personal point of views conflict with the rules here, but they can do nothing about it. Most of those books in that Google search only mention her for a single sentence or paragraph. That is certainly not "well covered." The Legendary Ranger (talk) 22:58, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The first word in my comment is that besides the fact that it feels wrong. I'm also not talking about my personal feelings here, but commenting on how doing things like redirecting a woman's page to her male relative's only enforces systematic gender bias on wikipedia. Many of the books contain only a paragraph mention, but several of them do contain more coverage than that. 🌸wasianpower🌸 (talk • contribs) 15:07, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge with Women in baseball per WP:BLP1E. While being the first female drafted in MLB is a big deal, the subject did not sign with, let alone play for, any professional baseball organization. Outside of that, she had a rather unremarkable college basketball career. This person is clearly defined by a single event. She can adequately be covered at the proposed target article, even if information about her high school baseball career is added as suggested by Wasianpower. Frank Anchor 22:40, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect per WP:BLP1E. She was drafted by a team which had her father as general manager, she wasn't signed to a contract, and (per the Chicago Tribune reference) she hadn't played baseball for two years before being drafted. The facts suggest this was a stunt for attention. As there is no substantial coverage of her other than that event, I must vote to redirect. Leaning towards Ron Schueler as the target over Women in baseball, as that article is more likely to contain more than de minimis discussion of her. Walsh90210 (talk) 23:10, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I strongly oppose Ron Schueler as a target. Casey Schueler is most notable for being the first woman drafted by MLB, not for being Ron’s daughter. Frank Anchor 00:34, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strongly agree with this. 🌸wasianpower🌸 (talk • contribs) 14:44, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep for two reasons: First, there is a discrete entry about Carey Schueler in two different baseball encyclopedias: Donald Dewey, Nicholas Acocella, and Jerome Holtzman's The New Biographical History of Baseball: The Classic—Completely Revised (Triumph Books, 2002) and Leslie A. Heaphy and Mel Anthony May's Encyclopedia of Women and Baseball (McFarland & Company, 2006), indicating that in the field of baseball history Schueler is considered sufficiently notable for inclusion in encyclopedias. Second, the second criterion of WP:ANYBIO is has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in a specific field, and Schueler precipitated the MLB to change a rule about signing contracts for women), an enduring contribution to baseball. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 07:36, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep: At least passes general notability with the sources given in the comment above; gender bias here in Wiki is a thing also, there is no point redirecting to her father's article. Publicity stunt or not, the drafting got her attention in the press, so it's enough for wiki notability. Oaktree b (talk) 22:33, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus‎. Liz Read! Talk! 21:20, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Registration of players under control (Nippon Professional Baseball)

Registration of players under control (Nippon Professional Baseball) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This does not appear to be a notable topic, with most references to NPB.jp (the league website) and the Japan Professional Baseball Players Association. Lacking independent reliable sourced coverage. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:23, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I do not speak Japanese. You're going to have to share what these books actually say, so that we can judge if it's in-depth coverage or WP:ROUTINE mentions. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:55, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A significant amount of each book-length project listed, as implied by my translations of the book titles, plus apparently dozens more books. I'm not sure it's helpful to do a news or books WP:BEFORE search for "支配下登録" (if you did so), see hundreds or thousands of direct hits in both books and newspapers, and discard all of them due to not understanding Japanese. I'm not sure what you want me to describe about all of the sources either; they describe the contents that are described in the article, the history of the system, its implications for players participating in the system, the commemoration ceremonies for being registered, etc. Dekimasuよ! 01:08, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 02:13, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cesar Bernhardt

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Article recreated Sadads (talk) 00:48, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 23:36, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

James Garcia

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James Garcia (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Non-notable baseball player. Article was deleted by discussion in 2007 and then recreated in 2014. It's different enough to not be speedily deleted, I think. Subject does not meet WP:GNG or WP:NSPORTS. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:57, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, as per nom. -Samoht27 (talk) 19:00, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 05:58, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Matt Hannaford

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despite being flagged for improvement for nearly a decade now, the article still has major issues. much of the article seems to be either original research, or things Matt has been only involved with tangentially (like stars his coworkers at the company represented). this could be improved if the article met WP:BIO, but even that seems doubtful. Free Realist 9 (talk) 13:03, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. NLIST states, "There is no present consensus for how to assess the notability of more complex and cross-categorization lists (such as "Lists of X of Y") or what other criteria may justify the notability of stand-alone lists..." This AfD reflects the present lack of consensus on this wider issue. Jake Wartenberg (talk) 20:11, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Major League Baseball career double plays as a center fielder leaders

List of Major League Baseball career double plays as a center fielder leaders (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I'm not seeing any coverage of this specific statistic beyond the list maintained by Baseball-Reference.com ([1]), having searched the internet, Google Books, and Google Scholar. We appear to fall short of WP:LISTN, and this title does not seem to make for an appropriate redirect to any more general article. signed, Rosguill talk 18:59, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 22:55, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

John William Goff (baseball)

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I can't find any evidence to substantiate a Major League Baseball player with this name. The article was created back in 2012 by User:AndyGoff. This appears to be a hoax. LEPRICAVARK (talk) 22:46, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Liz Read! Talk! 00:57, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Korry Howell

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fails WP:GNG Joeykai (talk) 22:34, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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