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Section size for Ashoka (57 sections)
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(Top)	6,567	6,567
Sources of information	606	10,940
Inscriptions	1,502	1,502
Buddhist legends	3,429	3,429
Other sources	1,321	1,321
Alternative interpretation of the epigraphic evidence	4,082	4,082
Names and titles	2,550	2,550
Date	1,724	1,724
Ancestry	2,356	2,356
As a prince	2,042	7,204
Rebellion at Taxila	2,646	2,646
Viceroy of Ujjain	2,516	2,516
Ascension to the throne	4,767	7,237
Date of ascension	2,470	2,470
Reign before Buddhist influence	3,590	3,590
Kalinga war and conversion to Buddhism	3,479	9,394
Kalinga war	1,698	1,698
First contact with Buddhism	4,217	4,217
Reign after Buddhist influence	38	16,847
Construction of stupas and temples	4,232	4,232
Propagation of Dharma	1,258	1,258
Third Buddhist Council	2,888	2,888
Buddhist missions	4,676	4,676
Violence after conversion	3,755	3,755
Family	1,064	8,738
Consorts	3,970	3,970
Sons	1,037	1,037
Daughters	1,260	1,260
Brothers	1,407	1,407
Imperial extent	1,709	1,709
Religion and philosophy	31	13,407
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Other religions	2,599	2,599
Dharma	5,014	8,393
Animal welfare	3,379	3,379
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Hellenistic world	5,051	5,051
Legends about past lives	2,994	2,994
Last years	18	1,945
Tissarakkha as the empress	1,927	1,927
Death	1,338	1,338
Legacy	285	10,741
Architecture	2,808	2,808
Symbols	1,321	1,321
Inscriptions	4,477	4,477
Coinage	1,850	1,850
Modern scholarship	26	8,422
Rediscovery	3,634	3,634
Perceptions and historiography	4,076	4,076
Impact of pacifism	686	686
In art, film and literature	6,207	6,207
See also	54	54
Notes	34	34
References	33	4,902
Works cited	4,869	4,869
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External links	5,539	5,539
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Go a bit more detailed?

Include how the Mauryan empire had set the stage up for the golden age and the Gupta empire. 2001:16A2:676A:DE00:810A:F1E0:3484:1849 (talk) 15:04, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

scholars' views about Ashoka are irrelevant puffery?

Is this really irrelevant puffery? Many people's information about Ashoka is quite limited. Why are even scholars' views about Ashoka being considered irrelevant puffery by a Wikipedian? 2402:8100:3018:174A:E145:31A1:D2F7:B92 (talk) 06:34, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like puffery ... and "While information must be verifiable for inclusion in an article, not all verifiable information must be included. Consensus may determine that certain information does not improve an article. Such information should be omitted or presented instead in a different article. The responsibility for achieving consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content." per WP:ONUS. JimRenge (talk) 07:08, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it's puffery. To put it bluntly: 'mine is bigger than yours', reducing the contingencies of history and the complexities of personalities to a simplistic ranking, picked-out by an editor, but 'justified' by giving scholarly sources. This may have some relevance for American presidents, but not for figures dimly lighting up from a distant past. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 09:04, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

in religion it's only mentioned buddhism but in body of this article, there is a subtopic i.e. conversion to buddhism which means he must have followed other religion before buddhism. Kindly mention it. @ Joshua Jonathan 121.46.85.111 (talk) 01:03, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation of Ashoka in English

According to the Pronouncing Dictionary of Proper Names 2nd ed. as well as my own experience, Ashoka is almost always pronounced /əˈʃoʊkə/ in American and British English. However, this is not the case in Indian English and Ashoka was certainly not pronounced like this in his own day. According to the Manual of Style, "When a foreign name has a set English pronunciation (or pronunciations), include both the English and foreign-language pronunciations; the English transcription must always be first. If the native name is different from the English name, the native transcription must appear after the native name." I have done this, but I hope to open a diagloge here so that more fruitful discussion can occur than in the short edit summaries. Hwamplero (talk) 03:41, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding your recent edit summary, yes you can actually pronounce it. There's an IPA guide, it's not that difficult. If anything, at the very least, you can pronounce the O as in 'awe' or 'for', rather than the O in 'go'. See, you don't even need to try too hard! Pronouncing it as the diphthong OU (ओउ) is completely unnecessary and utterly wrong. Rolando 1208 (talk) 07:59, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And that's in the Manual of Style, Rolando? Please stick to the guidelines. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 08:54, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No it's not Joshua, but you forgot about ONUS: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability#Verifiability_does_not_guarantee_inclusion Rolando 1208 (talk) 09:22, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The vowels are fine imo. It is the ɕ that will cause issues for many English speakers and can be anglicized in different ways. My reason for including an English IPA was that 'sh' can sometimes be pronounced as /s/ such as in the Indian state Odisha. As for the English pronunciation being wrong, unfortunately that is just how some words get anglicized even if it is awful. If it makes you feel any better (or worse lol) many many American city names are horribly mispronounced Native American names so its not just India this happens to. Hwamplero (talk) 01:05, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Juggling with guidelines, Rolando? The Manual of style is quite clear in this respect. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 03:59, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ONUS is quite clear, have you read it? While information must be verifiable for inclusion in an article, not all verifiable information must be included. Consensus may determine that certain information does not improve an article. Such information should be omitted or presented instead in a different article. The responsibility for achieving consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content. Rolando 1208 (talk) 07:55, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@SKAG123 You might wanna see this. Rolando 1208 (talk) 23:14, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, but Odisha is the exception, hence why the IPA is actually necessary, just like with Kiribati (great edit there btw).

Regarding the Native Americans, a lot of the correct pronunciations get lost or aren't well know. Besides, there are so many languages to keep up with it. Quite different with Sanskrit.

Also anyone checking the article on Ashoka is presumably interested in in Buddhism and/or the History of Bharat. They're most likely interested in pronouncing Sanskrit sounds somewhat accurately, at the very least they'd be curious enough to know what ɕ is. If not, "Ashouka" doesn't add anything to the table. The people who can't read IPA, well, that's how they're gonna pronounce it anyway. Rolando 1208 (talk) 07:52, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

After some reflection, I think that I will work on creating wiktionary pages instead. If people want the English pronunciation, they can go there. I think the with place names, it is more important to have an English pronunciation if it is like a state of India or something like that, but for historical things, I will leave things with the native pronunciation only. EXCEPT the Maratha Empire which I have heard too many times as /məˈɹɑθə/ and thus deserves an English IPA and even a respell. I will let the rest of the articles go. Hwamplero (talk) 02:03, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dhanyawad. I actually think your edit for Maratha is sensible. Anglophones would probably see the t with a small h and confuse it with a θ. Cheers mate, have a good week. Rolando 1208 (talk) 09:37, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Change the name ASHOK from every where to ASOKA

hello his name is asok you have to change the name because you are the one eho making this name famous his actual name should be written here his name was asoka so please dont use different name ashoka is famous because people dont know the real name and from their the misinformation spread really fast i hope you understand because then people think that this name is Sanskrit language name its pali name so please Mohit atulkar (talk) 21:39, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also the Mauryas, Muras, or rather Mors, were Jats, and hence Scythian or East Iranic in origin. Consequently, Ashoka, Chandragupta and all other emperors of the Mauryan dynasty were undoubtedly Jats by origin. EjazCharr (talk) 19:16, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The mauryan were Shakya from the origin they were the moriya from the pipliwan they also made the angar stupa Mohit atulkar (talk) 15:57, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]