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I feel I need to note that there is a significant difference between the term "Foreign-born" in the heading of this section and the word "foreign" in the quoted words. They do not mean the same thing. HiLo48 (talk) 01:24, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm really struggling to decide who should and should not go in the Commanders and leaders field, especially on the American coalition side. Template:Infobox military conflict/doc#Parameters says "For wars, only prominent or notable leaders should be listed," but there doesn't seem to be consensus on who are the notable leaders in the War on terror. In the worst case scenario, we could list all the heads of state/government of the involved countries during this period, creating a long list like the one in the Gulf War infobox. Liu1126 (talk) 01:40, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If Biden is to be included, then Trump should also be included. It's not reasonable to include the vice president in such list, therefore if Biden is included, it would be in his capacity as president. Kk.urban (talk) 19:50, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:INFOBOXPURPOSE, the infobox is for summarising key facts from the article, we don't write the article in the infobox and the article should remain complete without the infobox. The commanders field of the infobox is for key or significant commanders/leaders, as supported by the body of the article -ie the body of the article should evidence why they were a key or significant commander. Where Trump was recently added to the infobox, I have reverted the addition with the edit summary: Per WP:INFOBOXPURPOSE - the article does not support inclusion of Trump - ie the article does not mention Trump at all, let alone evidence that he was a key or significant commander/leader. Tony Blair is similarly not mentioned in the article at all. John Howard is at least mentioned in the article. Whether this mention is sufficient to support his inclusion as a key or significant commander/leader is a reasonable question. I have no significant issue with his removal by Nick.mon based on this being a single passing mention. As well as Trump, Nick.mon has also added Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and Mullah Omar, which are also not supported by the body of the article. P&G tells us that an article should be complete within its self. A link is neither a source nor a substitute for content in the article. A name in the infobox unsupported by the body of the article fails to tell the reader why they are a key or significant leader/commander in the context of the article. It is a disservice to our readers. Cinderella157 (talk) 03:42, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your clear explanation. I understand your point of view, supported by Wikipedia's policy, but I think we should also be a bit more flexible, otherwise we could give a distorted views to readers. I mean, Trump was president during the peak of US fight against ISIL, I don't know why he isn't mentioned at all in the article, but I think he should be. Omar was the leader of Afghanistan during the beginning of the war, while al-Baghdadi was the main leader of ISIL during its peak, I think that if we mention Talibans and ISIL in the infobox, it would be useful to readers to mention also their respective leaders. Regarding Howard I think that listing him in the infobox is a bit confusing. Australia played an important role in the fight against terrorism, but not so different than the one of UK, Italy, France or Germany. Moreover he's mentioned only once ("Howard stated that Australia would invoke the ANZUS Treaty along similar lines."). Is it enough to list him among the main commanders? I fear it's not. -- Nick.mon (talk) 09:19, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A name in an infobox without any context in the article to evidence why they are considered key or significant commanders/leaders is meaningless. Trump being president at a particular time does not ipso facto make him key or significant in the context of this article. Compare his lack of mention with Bush and Obama, who are clearly key and significant, as evidenced by the article. If those you would add are indeed key and significant, then the course is clear - edit the article such that the how and why they are key and significant are evidenced by the article. Then, their addition to the infobox will actually be meaningful. [W]e don't write the article in the infobox and the article should remain complete without the infobox. As to Howard, I have no issue with his removal (as should be clear from my earlier post). I have only stated that there is at least some justification for his inclusion per the article, as opposed to those for which there is no justification within the article. Cinderella157 (talk) 11:48, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Donald Trump was president of the United States during this period. Yet his predesscor and successor are both on the list of "Commanders" he isn't. Please add him. 207.179.146.234 (talk) 11:44, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I’m not sure how non EC users are supposed to do this? Is it not right they’re not meant to engage in talk page discussion either? (Rendering it impossible). Or is that relating to the Israel-Palestine conflict only? Yr Enw (talk) 18:18, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Non-ECP may engage in discussion when article is ECP protected but conduct on a TP must not be disruptive. The Israel-Palestine conflict is an exception. Cinderella157 (talk) 22:38, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. Its dishonorable to deny the fact he was our Commander in Chief. This needs to be corrected. I dont care what your political affiliation is the military opperated under his command for four years, get over it. 104.151.212.12 (talk) 03:59, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Capitalisation of "global war on terrorism" in prose
Skitash, Per MOS:CAPS we do not cap a word of phrase unless this is consistently done in sources. The ngram here indicates this is not the case. We do not give particular weight to official sources. Furthermore, per MOS:EXPABBR we do not capitalise a term when it is used to introduce an initialism - though some styles do. By the evidence of usage we should not be capitalising this term. Cinderella157 (talk) 09:21, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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