Talk:Spartacus

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Spartacus was greek. Thracian is not a nationality

Spartacus was thracian? Thracian is not a nationality. Spartacus was greek. Maedi people (or Sandanski city now, or Strymon River) was a zone into the macedonian kingdom, 100km to Pella (Alexander the Great). His name needs traduction from greek. To affirm that Spartacus was thracian is like to say "Herodotus was persian. Or turkish". Archimedes was an italian. Eratoshenes of Libia." All greeks, of course. I propose to correct this point. Greetings.

--DIEGO73 (talk) 08:10, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Without getting too deeply into this... if the mainstream primary and secondary (and even tertiary) sources call him a Thracian (which they seem to do), that's what the article should say, per reliable sources. Haploidavey (talk) 08:19, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

The region belonged for almost 200 years to the Greece from the 350 a.C until the year 169 a.C (Roman occupation). You have to place yourself in the historical context. Its rulers were Greek Macedonians, Philip II, Alexander the Great, Antipater, Lysimachus (and their Macedonian successors). I refer to Macedonia as kingdom of Greece. "Spartacus" (Greek: Σπάρτακος Spártakos, translation from Greek I insist that Espartaco was Thracian is like saying "Thales of Miletus was Turkish." I leave 2 maps of the area, and I intend to correct this point.--DIEGO73 (talk) 18:37, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

--DIEGO73 (talk) 18:37, 3 February 2017 (UTC)-

Responded at editor's talk-page, as no sources have been offered here to support proposed changes. Haploidavey (talk) 19:49, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

DIEGO73, please, do not make the same attempt again without providing reliable sources to support such changes. Please, offer here academic sources backing your personal opinion before editing. Thank you. Jingiby (talk) 15:36, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

PS. What Plutarch said on Spartacus is: He was a Thracian from the nomadic tribes and not only had a great spirit and great physical strength, but was, much more than one would expect from his condition, most intelligent and cultured, being more like a Greek than like a Thracian. Note: This last remark is a well-known cliché from ancient literature. Any non-Greek/Roman who had done something special, was said to be more intelligent than other barbarians. However Plutarch never described Spartacus as a Greek. Check here, please. Jingiby (talk) 16:02, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

My dad told me that he was Thracian because Thracia is just modern day Bulgaria. He also told me that he was born somewhere near Dimitrovgrad which is a town in Bulgaria and it's where I'm from Iron Attack rules (talk) 14:53, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Spartacus is not greek if you should know Iron Attack rules (talk) 15:41, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

You do know that saying that Thracia is not a nationality is kind of rude to people who are Thracian like me Iron Attack rules (talk) 16:05, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Requested addition to in popular culture section - Music

I request the album Spartacus be added to this section. Spartacus is the third album by the German group Triumvirat. It is a concept album based on Spartacus, the Thracian gladiator who led the 3rd slave uprising in 73–71 BC. The lyrics were written by Hans Bathelt, with contributions by Jürgen Fritz. It was originally released in 1975 on the EMI label, and later distributed in the U.S. by Capitol.

http://www.allmusic.com/artist/triumvirat-mn0000030088 http://www.allmusic.com/album/spartacus-mw0000325596 https://www.discogs.com/fr/artist/124405-Triumvirat http://www.triumvirat.net/spartacus_lyrics.htm

Indies orbit (talk) 13:15, 5 March 2017 (UTC) indies_orbit

What does it add that isn't already covered by the other entries? The popular culture section is just to show that Spartacus' fame and influence has endured, so it uses a handful of examples from various different areas (cultural and geographical), it doesn't need to cite every time his name is used or mentioned.

DoubleDoubleDouble (talk) 07:15, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Is the album noteworthy? Did it have a significant impact on culture? If so then maybe, if you can make a case supported by some Reliable Sources.MaximusEditor (talk) 06:35, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

What kind of music is the album Iron Attack rules (talk) 15:39, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

By the way ,what has Spartacus done to be so famous? Iron Attack rules (talk) 15:40, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Requested addition to Popular culture- Television

Throughout the 5th and final series of BBC's Outnumbered, the character Ben is preparing to perform a theatrical performance pf Spartacus with his school, with Ben in the titular role of Spartacus. The final episode of the series and of the show, episode 6 of the series, sees Ben perform Spartacus in the final few minutes of the episode. In general, would add a small section containing links to the related material with a brief overview of how the subjects are related. Thank You! Trevor Richard (talk) 17:11, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

Maybe the show is in Spartacus's honour 🤷 Iron Attack rules (talk) 15:36, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

The story of Spartacus death?

I have heard 3 versions of how Spartacus' died and I am requesting we add a section for his death with all the different stories. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aman0226 (talk • contribs) 16:54, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

there is no definitive evidence to say that he died during the battle at Lucania. There is no record of his death. And is believed by many that he managed to escape over the mountain pass. I request that information of his death be changed to inconclusive of date and location based on lack of physical evidence. 59.102.24.74 (talk) 11:17, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

People do think that he died in battle Iron Attack rules (talk) 14:49, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

The person who really killed him though is General Pompey Iron Attack rules (talk) 16:02, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Invalid source

The article mentions that no ancient writer specified that Spartacus’ goal was to abolish the institution of slavery itself, but it cites as a source a YouTube video (reference [1]) that does not mention anything of the kind. Clearly this cannot serve as reference and should be corrected. IntelligentET (talk) 21:45, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

While most videos on Youtube are garbage, that video is published by Simon & Schuster and features an interview with Barry S. Strauss. It would qualify as a reliable source if it supported the information in there. The edit in question was carried out by Krakkos. @Krakkos: did you mean to cite a specific page in the book instead? Ian.thomson (talk) 22:01, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Yup. I've now added the specific page as the source. Krakkos (talk) 23:14, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

You do know ,IntelligentEt ,that YouTube videos sometimes don't tell the truth Iron Attack rules (talk) 15:33, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion:

• Spartacus Statue.jpg

Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 14:07, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

You said Wikimedia ,not Wikipedia. Spelling mistakes. A natural thing for people Iron Attack rules (talk) 15:30, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 December 2019

can i pls edit something thnx Ygfudhfth112 (talk) 14:48, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 14:54, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

I would like to edit something too Iron Attack rules (talk) 14:58, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Especially those number sections where it says 33,35,36,34 where Wikipedia doesn't know how to count. They're really bothering me Iron Attack rules (talk) 15:28, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Spartacus

Why did it say 33,35,36,34 in those kinda number sections? I bet you just don't know how to count yet from 30 and on. Iron Attack rules (talk) 14:48, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

I should have really called this section,number sections in the Spartacus article Iron Attack rules (talk) 15:59, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Notifications

My notifications are always marked as read ,but on the next day they're not. Why does that happen? Iron Attack rules (talk) 14:56, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

I really need Wikipedia to reply on this question Iron Attack rules (talk) 15:54, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Or maybe any of you who know it Iron Attack rules (talk) 16:56, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Reading this article for homework

Is anyone else here reading this article about Spartacus to do homework? Because I sure am and it's boring! Homework is torture , isn't it!? 😭😭😭 Iron Attack rules (talk) 16:13, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Spartacus - parents

What were the names of Spartacus's parents? Please tell me Iron Attack rules (talk) 16:55, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Please cease sprinkling the Talk Page with your various personal stories and WP:FORUM comments. You are not making any constructive contribution. Btw, there are no longer any "Thracians" - having long, long ago being assimilated by the various invading peoples over the centuries.

Semi-protected edit request on 20 November 2020

Jharrycornelius2 (talk) 16:37, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Under Objectives can be noted that Albert Camus (in The Rebel) contends that Spartacus' motive was to reject slavery and affirm equality with his masters, and that he ultimately desired to be master himself.

"Spartacus' rebellion, which took place as the ancient world was coming to an end, a few decades before the Christian era, is an excellent illustration of this point. First we note that this is a rebellion of gladiators—that is to say, of slaves consecrated to single combat and condemned, for the delectation of their masters, to kill or be killed. Beginning with seventy men, this rebellion ended with an army of seventy thousand insurgents, which crushed the best Roman legions and advanced through Italy to march on the Eternal City itself. However, as Andre Prudhommeaux remarks (in The Tragedy of Spartacus), this rebellion introduced no new principle into Roman life. The proclamation issued by Spartacus goes no farther than to offer "equal rights" to the slaves. The transition from fact to right, which we analyzed in the first stage of rebellion, is, indeed, the only logical acquisition that one can find on this level of rebellion. The insurgent rejects slavery and affirms his equality with his master. He wants to be master in his turn."

Linkt to source: http://www.bibotu.com/books/2013b/Camus,%20Albert%20-%20The%20Rebel%20(1951).pdf

 Not done for now: specify what has to be done. -ink&fables «talk» 10:31, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Suggest expansion under heading Motives of Spartacus.

A line with the sense that:

Albert Camus contends that Spartacus' motive was to affirm his equality with his master. Spartacus wanted "to be master in his turn".

Source:

Spartacus' rebellion, which took place as the ancient world was coming to an end, a few decades before the Christian era, is an excellent illustration of this point. First we note that this is a rebellion of gladiators—that is to say, of slaves consecrated to single combat and condemned, for the delectation of their masters, to kill or be killed. Beginning with seventy men, this rebellion ended with an army of seventy thousand insurgents, which crushed the best Roman legions and advanced through Italy to march on the Eternal City itself. However, as Andre Prudhommeaux remarks (in The Tragedy of Spartacus), this rebellion introduced no new principle into Roman life. The proclamation issued by Spartacus goes no farther than to offer "equal rights" to the slaves. The transition from fact to right, which we analyzed in the first stage of rebellion, is, indeed, the only logical acquisition that one can find on this level of rebellion. The insurgent rejects slavery and affirms his equality with his master. He wants to be master in his turn.

Albert Camus, The Rebel — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jharrycornelius2 (talk • contribs) 16:41, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 September 2021

My request is to add to the objectives part how Spartacus's own army enslaved others. Amogyisabogy1 (talk) 16:35, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. - FlightTime (open channel) 16:44, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Description of Crassus’s use of decimation inconsistent with actual wording of the source cited

Add: [according to some reports,] he treated these with harsh discipline, [after one military defeat] reviving the punishment of "decimation", in which one-tenth of his men were slain to make them more afraid of him than their enemy.

(The source cited says that “some” say Crassus employed decimation _in this particular instance_.)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 August 2022

Re the sentence on Florus "Florus described him as one "who, from a Thracian mercenary, had become a Roman soldier, that had deserted and became enslaved, and afterward, from consideration of his strength, a gladiator"

Florus does not employ the term Romanus.

The Latin text reads: Nec abnuit ille de stipendiario Thrace miles, de milite desertor, inde latro, deinde in honorem virium gladiator. [see Florus Epitome Book II viii] In Loeb Classical Library 1960. Acco1960 (talk) 12:23, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Of the universe (talk) 21:50, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 November 2022

the sparticas image is not accurate as he was crucified which was put in a T pose and then it asphyxiated him to death not killed by an army Fox81732 (talk) 18:45, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: Images are artistic depictions, not necessarily statements of fact. Also I don't believe it is confirmed he was crucified - per this article at least most scholars of that time think he died on the battlefield and one wrote his body was never found Cannolis (talk) 19:48, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 January 2024

I have yet to be a confirmed user, so I can't correct the error myself, but I noticed something under the Video Games section of the page I believe to be a grammatical error. Currently it reads "If the player names the character in Career Mode, Spartacus, the player will receive Spartacus's sword." I believe it should read "If the player names the character in Career Mode Spartacus, the player will receive Spartacus's sword." I may be incorrect about the necessity of the change, but I would request some sort of alteration, as the sentence is somewhat confusing to parse on first read as-is. Josapr (talk) 22:36, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

I can now see why Semi-protected exists as a status. I didn't even know the template for requesting this properly. As I'm now able to edit the page, I'm going to do so for clarity's sake. If anyone has any objections, feel free to revert my edit. If you do, please tell me the reason for it; I'm still learning what does and doesn't comply with Wikipedia's exact intended style. Josapr (talk) 02:56, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Calgacus See more

Could we consider adding Calgacus into the see more page? Despite him possibly being completely fictional I think it would be a decent fit regardless. GigaMigaDigaChad (talk) 06:23 AM, 13 Feb, 2024 (EST)

Needs a translation for old english

the old english article is not translated and just in simple English 2A02:8109:223F:DA1C:1C48:3226:7F3:89A7 (talk) 23:53, 22 March 2024 (UTC)