Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 8
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on July 8, 2024.
Paper Bowser
- Paper Bowser → Paper Mario (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
no game under that title yet (give them time), wouldn't the list of paper mario characters be a better target? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:20, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- oh wait
- there's no section specifically for bowser there, and his article doesn't mention him in paper mario beyond "he was there". forget retargeting, i vote to delete as unhelpful cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:51, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Keeping under the idea that they might make a game with that title is pointless WP:CRYSTAL-gazing, and unfounded to boot. As it stands now, we have no information at all regarding Bowser's inclusion in the Paper Mario series, nor any other place where something might be known as 'Paper Bowser'. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 01:52, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
City of Auckland
- City of Auckland → Auckland City (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The City of Auckland is a distinct entity from Auckland City. It is not discussed in proper detail in the Auckland article nor the Auckland City article. I do believe it has the merits to meet notability on it's own: e.g. https://www.gutenberg.org/files/46925/46925-h/46925-h.htm Deletion would be the best option as it doesn't mislead readers into a different entity and might encourage someone to create an article on it. Traumnovelle (talk) 22:25, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep All that's needed is to tag it with Template:R with possibilities. I've done so. Schwede66 08:39, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- I still don't believe it's a good redirect. Auckland City is completely different to the City of Auckland. It'd be like having New York County redirect to New York City. It is only a partial continuation in area and most of Auckland City's area is from the County of Eden. The term being redirected serves to confuse the reader into thinking City of Auckland (note the important capitalisation as a proper noun) is just another name for Auckland or Auckland City. Traumnovelle (talk) 09:14, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Write content seems to be the obvious answer here. It needn't be more than a short paragraph detailing the status, extent, etc. on whichever of Auckland or Auckland City is the broader. This redirect can then be targetted there. Thryduulf (talk) 09:43, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe there should be an article on the district that has existed since 2010 just like City of York deals with the district that was created in 1996 even though there was one that existed from 1835 to 1996. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:43, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Any further thoughts?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 04:07, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- I agree there should be content but in the absence of it I do not believe the current redirect is appropriate as it is misleading. Traumnovelle (talk) 04:09, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:RETURNTORED. The current target is misleading, there's potential for an article, redlinking it can encourage article creation. Fieari (talk) 06:56, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Also notified of this discussion at the talk of the creator and target pages.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 19:01, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Mario Paint Wii
- Mario Paint Wii → Mario Paint (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
no confirmed relation with the wii. don't quote me on this part since i'm unfortunately not the biggest mariopainthead out there, but nothing i found suggests that it or a related game was ever even released on the wii cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:34, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Elpincha:2D
- Elpincha:2D → Theory of the two demons (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This title is pointless because "Elpincha" is only the name of the user who wrote the original content under this redirect (see history), and "2D" is short for "two demons". The unsourced 2005 content has a SNOW chance of being merged into the main article, and based on the edit summary of "counterweight to the current article" we can infer that it was probably an attempt at creating a fork. Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 18:33, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- delete as fake pseudo namespace cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:54, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Sportacus 9
there are theories that robbie rotten was the previous sportacus and wore the number 9, though they have little to no evidence that could be used here. retarget to his article, keep as is, or delete as fancruft? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:03, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep redirect to sportacus. Robbie rotten and number 9 (sportacus 9) are not the same person. Robbie and number 9 where butting heads (see https://web.archive.org/web/20040108161211/http://www.lazytown.com/pages/about/concept/theoriginsstory.html ). Robbie later became Robbie rotten (see https://web.archive.org/web/20031225235205/http://www.lazytown.com/pages/about/concept/robbierotten.html). Number 9 (sportacus 9) has much more similarities with sportacus 10 (the current sportacus) than Robbie, so that redirect makes sense for now. Snævar (talk) 14:47, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
Sportacandy
unlikely misspelling of "sportscandy"? i'm pretty sure most people would notice the typo and correct it around the n. unless it's meant to be a pun on "sportacus", in which case retarget to sportacus and then delete cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:56, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- The LazyTown fandom wiki actually states that the character Ziggy uses "Sportacandy" as an alter ego-- something attested to in our article from all the way back before the 2007 creation of this redirect, all the way to September 2014-- when it was removed because Sportacandy was listed as its own character, when in reality, it's... just Ziggy. It's plausible to edit the Ziggy section to include a reference to Sportacandy, although I'll note that there's a considerable dearth of citations even in the current version of the section, much less the original Sportacandy section.However, more pressing is that there's really no other place this redirect COULD go. Even throwing out the Sportacandy alter ego of Ziggy, the redirect is still a simple portmanteau of "Sportacus", a character from this show, and "Sports Candy", a name given to fruits and vegetables by Sportacus in the show (and mentioned repeatedly in the article)-- someone could easily misremember "Sports Candy" as "Sportacandy" for this reason. This, combined *with* the fact that said portmanteau can't properly be filed under WP:NEO because it is a name used in the show, means we should keep. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 02:15, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- okay yeah fair enough i forgot about that part, weak keep cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:10, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
Tone (color)
- Tone (color) → Lightness (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Tone (color theory) → Tint, shade and tone (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These two redirects should point to the same article. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:40, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Tone is an ambiguous term? There are separate articles about color and color theory – and color science! – and colorimetry and color appearance model! In English, "tone" has many meanings; the applicable meaning here is " The shade or quality of a colour." (disambiguation of an ambiguous term by a definition which uses more ambiguous terms). Is there really such a thing as color quality (quality (color)?? – wbm1058 (talk) 10:02, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 04:07, 1 July 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 17:00, 8 July 2024 (UTC)- Target both to Tint, shade and tone. The Lightness article has four mentions of the word Tone according to ctrl-f: the first is a link to Tint, shade and tone that pretty much rephrases that article's title ("Tints, shades, and tones"), the second is a See Also link that also goes to Tint, shade and tone, the third is a third link to Tint, shade and tone, this time as part of the Color Topics template, and the fourth is a link to Pantone that's also in the Color Topics template. From this we can easily deduce that the information someone looking for when they search Tone (color) is *not* on the Lightness page itself, and is instead on the Tint, Shade and Tone page. Retarget as appropriate. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 17:25, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Bawang putih
its indonesian and malay name. while they seem sort of associated enough, as malaysia and around half of indonesia are in southeast asia, the names and those two countries aren't mentioned in the target at all cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:47, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Skorodon
results gave me unrelated plants, funny-looking rocks with no relation to each other, and... really, everything besides garlic. seems to be a romanization of one of two ancient greek names for garlic, but i only found that by digging around wiktionary cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:41, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Possibly retarget to Allium as an {{A2r}} from Scorodon? It looks like a plausible misspelling but then the question becomes, is "Scorodon" a valid redirect in the first place? Nickps (talk) 17:49, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- i'd say leave scorodon as is, but then delete skorodon as "clearly you know some greek if you're looking for this, so there's no excuse to misspell it" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:52, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think that's right. According to romanisation of Greek, skorodon is a valid romanisation under the system the Library of Congress uses. Nickps (talk) 13:06, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- i'd say leave scorodon as is, but then delete skorodon as "clearly you know some greek if you're looking for this, so there's no excuse to misspell it" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:52, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
Microsoft® Windows® Operating System® Redirects With Pointless Legalese© Unicode® Characters™
- Windows® → Microsoft Windows (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Microsoft® Windows® → Microsoft Windows (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Microsoft® Windows® Operating System → Microsoft Windows (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
apparently previously subject to an RFD™ that ended in a TrainWreck©, consensus currently seems more inclined to delete redirects with copyright or trademark symbols CogSan© (Forum) (Our Portfolio) 16:20, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- forgot to link the rfd, oops. here it is. should someone try nominating all the remaining redirects again? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:30, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all. While that RfD did mention the possibility of using ® as a disambiguator (separating, say, a search for Apple the fruit from a search for Apple Inc.), that's not applicable here-- the word Microsoft (and the words Operating System) are already disambiguator words, but even with the first one that has neither, Windows already goes to Microsoft Windows instead of Window. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 17:32, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Windows®, delete the rest. I agree that the lower two lack sufficient disambiguating strength to be kept, and they are unlikely search terms. However, there are reasonable things one could search for with the search term "Windows", and it wouldn't be unreasonable to have someone who knows their unicode shortcuts attempt to search Windows® to find the product. As such, I think this one ought be split. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 23:15, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed They might not realize windows already redirect to the product, and add a symbol to disambiguate naturally. The rest is plain excessive and unlikely. Ca talk to me! 06:32, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all The search function exists for a reason, we don't need to account for every obscure version of a name or unusual typo someone may possibly make once every 50 billion years. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:55, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
Tighten
not entirely sure megamind as a franchise has dominion over the public perception of this specific word, or that tight would be a good target cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:47, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to wikt:tighten and hatnote to the previous target, essentially per nom. Duckmather (talk) 18:12, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate. Per WP:SSRT,
only topics with a less-than-encyclopedic scope that are commonly wikified words or that are repeatedly recreated should become soft redirects
(emphases mine). This word is neither commonly wikified (indeed, there are no mainspace links that point to it), nor has it been repeatedly recreated. But because it might reasonably be a search term for multiple items on Wikipedia, and none seem like an easy primary topic, a dab page should suffice. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 23:12, 8 July 2024 (UTC)- What would you place on a disambiguation page for this term? There are over 10,000 uses of tighten (or variants like tightens, tightened, and tightening) in the mainspace. I couldn't review them all, but from what I did see, there aren't enough candidates to justify creating a disambiguation page. - Eureka Lott 04:35, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Lua cites
- Wikipedia:Lua cites → Module:Citation/CS1 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Completely implausible search term and unused as a shortcut as the empty WLH shows. If kept, it should be dabified between its current target and Module:Citation/CS2. Nickps (talk) 13:47, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
if you are going to propose deleting Wikipedia:Lua cites, you should also propose deleting these, just as unused, redirects:
- Template:Citation/lua – links
Template:Cite book/lua – linksTemplate:Cite encyclopedia/lua – linksTemplate:Cite journal/lua – linksTemplate:Cite news/lua – linksTemplate:Cite press release/lua – linksTemplate:Cite web/lua – links
These redirects are stepping-stone artifacts left behind in the process of creating Module:Citation/CS1. They are no longer needed or used.
—Trappist the monk (talk) 14:17, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Well, Template:Cite book/lua → Module:Cite book would make sense too, ditto for the others. It's certainly more plausible than WP:Lua cites. Nickps (talk) 14:26, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, I'd forgotten about those modules so repointing the redirects seems the appropriate thing to do. Can I just do that or will someone's panties get in a bunch because of 'process'?
- —Trappist the monk (talk) 14:40, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Considering that none of these templates are actually nominated for RfD, retargeting right away should be fine. Nickps (talk) 14:47, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Done, except for Template:Citation/lua → Module:Citation. That module exists as a nonfunctioning placeholder. It is the parent of Module:Citation/CS1 and was retained pursuant to a 2018 TfD.
- —Trappist the monk (talk) 15:13, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'll open a separate
RfDTfD for that one. Nickps (talk) 15:16, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'll open a separate
- Considering that none of these templates are actually nominated for RfD, retargeting right away should be fine. Nickps (talk) 14:47, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
The Three Mage-Sisters
- The Three Mage-Sisters → Characters of the Kirby series (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
They are not on the list. The one game they appear in, Kirby Star Allies, is a potential target but that article does not use this name for them. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:39, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- i'd say mention the name in star allies cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:48, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- did it, so i'll vote for retargeting to kirby star allies cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:26, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Shinespark
- Shinespark → Characters of the Metroid series#Etecoons and Dachora (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The section only mentions it once and in passing. No description of it is given. Also, this is a gameplay feature and not a character. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:29, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Metroid#Gameplay, I found a decent mention of it here that can easily be added. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:59, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
Nuzlocke
"Nuzlocke" is not mentioned in the target article. Nuzlocke section was removed from the article in January 2023 and seems no one objected: [1]. In 2015, Nuzlocke article was redirected to Pokémon after an AfD. Mika1h (talk) 13:16, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of video games-related deletion discussions. Mika1h (talk) 13:17, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- It seems like you didn't actually add the RfD to the delsort list. It has to be added manually over there, like this. In this case, I replaced a closed RfD with this one. Nickps (talk) 14:52, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- The redirects weren't tagged either. Nickps (talk) 17:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, forgot to do that. --Mika1h (talk) 17:28, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- The redirects weren't tagged either. Nickps (talk) 17:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- It seems like you didn't actually add the RfD to the delsort list. It has to be added manually over there, like this. In this case, I replaced a closed RfD with this one. Nickps (talk) 14:52, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- i think a mention in gameplay of pokémon would work, but hopefully with better sources than the ones removed in that diff. put my vote on hold until i remember to look for that cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:54, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'd say re-add the information, although finding new sources would be a good improvement. On the contrary to user:Juxlos's judgement that the Nuzlocke Challenge is "nothing special" because "there are multiple fan-made modes": most of them are based on or inspired by the Nuzlocke, and AFAIK the ones that aren't come from the speedrunning community. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 17:43, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Information about it should be re-added to the article, it was wrongly removed. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:53, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- WP:RETURNTORED - Nuzlocke could easily be turned into an article, there's decent number of sources about it, eg: [2], [3], [4], [5], [6] and it's mentioned in 14 different Wikipedia articles. (My second preference would be keep/reinstate into Pokemon) BugGhost🪲👻 09:37, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
Hardcore Gamer (website)
- Hardcore Gamer (website) → Gamer#Dedication spectrum (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The target page mentions the concept of a "hardcore gamer" but bears no reference to the website of that name. IceWelder [✉] 08:11, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - We do not appear to cover the parent company of the publication, i.e. Valnet, Inc. It is, however, listed at Valnet. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 10:56, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
- No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no → I'm Not a Juvenile Delinquent (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- No no no no no no no no → I'm Not a Juvenile Delinquent (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Too ambiguous a term to redirect to one song with lyrics that repeat the word "no". Walsh90210 (talk) 04:50, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough, I understand how ambiguous it gets when it comes to this song regarding the memorable "no, no, no" line. I mean what if there are new songs that use the same line? Inajd Inajd0101 (talk) 05:05, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- "No Limit"? "Rehab"? Delete per nom as ambiguous. Tevildo (talk) 11:16, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, that's fair. Inajd Inajd0101 (talk) 02:28, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- "No Limit"? "Rehab"? Delete per nom as ambiguous. Tevildo (talk) 11:16, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - not helpful, too ambiguous BugGhost🪲👻 11:42, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- could be just as easily associated with stardust crusaders or babysitting mama, so delete as vague cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:51, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Do we keep this extremely vague redirect? What do you say, cat? No no no no no no no no? Very well then, we Delete. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 17:46, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough. Also, you're funny. Inajd Inajd0101 (talk) 04:28, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
2015-16 Missouri Valley Conference men's basketball season
- 2015-16 Missouri Valley Conference men's basketball season → 2015–16 Evansville Purple Aces men's basketball team (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
This appears to be an oddly specific way to handle a basketball season for an entire conference. I think this is better left as a redlink to encourage future creation, rather than as a redirect to the season for a single team. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 04:20, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Philippe, Charles
- Philippe, Charles → Charles Philippe (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Charles-Philippe is a compound given name, so this comma format doesn't make any sense and should be deleted. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:12, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- No objection, if this is not an actual sort name it can be speedied. BD2412 T 01:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as an incorrect sort name. I thought about proposing redirection to Philippe Charles which I just made, but that would cause too much confusion as it looks like a sort key. Nickps (talk) 11:34, 8 July 2024 (UTC)